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daygamer0911 · 2017-11-12T03:45:10+00:00

"just be yourself" is the dating equivalent of basketball's "just throw the ball into the hoop"

saulisdating · 2017-11-12T08:15:30+00:00

I think your definition of Game is wrong. In basic terms, it's simply your social skills and acuity with women. Or, in other words, how well you socially interact with women in general. It's not just a collection of techniques like you seem to believe in your article.

And as any skill that you can learn, you can choose to develop your social skills with women DELIBERATELY, or neglect this. But even if you neglect it, you'll still have SOME level of game all the time because you naturally develop your social skills while growing up and living your life and interacting with the people around you. That's why millions of men are getting girlfriends seemingly "without game".

But those who deliberately take the time to develop their game (their social skills around women, learning social dynamics, etc) will nearly always have significantly better results than those who don't. Some are even lucky enough to have grown up under certain conditions where they naturally developed superb game, and they're called Naturals.

I've also done my share of approaches, in the high thousands over a decade, and I'd never tell anyone they don't need game. You develop your game with every single approach.

BestOfPUA · 2017-11-12T02:35:51+00:00

I did around 5k approaches. Here is what I learned:

Lesson #1 : Real confidence only works with girls that are 7 or below. For hotter girls, confidence alone is NEVER enough!!!!
Lesson #2 : You need some kind of strategy to take the girl from hi to bed. Just being yourself is not enough.

braintrejo · 2017-11-12T13:49:21+00:00

When I was myself a few years back, I got friendzoned all the time. Game made me make so many mistakes until I eventually learned what women are looking for in men and adjusted myself to a new and more sexual person I'm comfortable with.

Not every man is born a natural. Some guys have way less contact with girls in their teenage years because of a billion different factors they don't control. Game gives these men the opportunity to explore their sexuality like we are supposed to.

Katastrofa2 · 2017-11-12T07:19:16+00:00

I define "Game" as: Lying, DHVs, routines, negs, calculated and manipulated conversation - effectively thinking subconsciously "she won't like me as I am therefore I need to do all these special techniques to make her know that I'm high value / I need to drop her value down or she will think she's too good for me".

That's where you are wrong kiddo

Roman_Stallion · 2017-11-12T10:11:13+00:00

True: you don’t need game, but game really matters imho. Most people’s story: sexless, find out about the community, read a lot because it’s easier, start going out using canned routines, get some results. By the time you try some more natural stuff, you have internalized the key principles (those that really matter, like kino) and maybe a couple of routines you really like. So in the end you get laid more just using principles, but to get there you need some canned stuff.

Arcenturion · 2017-11-12T22:59:14+00:00

This sentiment isn't new. In fact, it's more than a bit annoying that every now and then, some pickup veteran who has managed to internalize tactics to the point where they're second nature, will want to feel better about himself and say "hey guys, I've learned that all you really need is to be yourself! Don't bother with 'game.' That just works on damaged women!"

(vomit)

Having said that, there is some truth in your article. What I would disagree with are these assertions: game only works on 'damaged' women (no, it works on anyone with a pulse in the same way that marketing works on anyone with a pulse and how any other influence-methodology-based-on-real-world-experience-and-understanding-psychology works on anyone with a pulse) and that because game isn't worth learning because it can make you seem like you're putting on "an act"

You define game as: Lying, DHVs, routines, negs, calculated and manipulated conversation

Lying: White lies will always have their purpose. For example, if you like your job but think your employer is a piece of shit, the smart thing to do would be to lie about your opinion if asked about it while he can hear you.

DHVs: It's always important to know which behaviors and characteristics are attractive and which ones aren't. Even if you're a naturally attractive guy who can have success just by "speaking his truth," it's still smart to know DHVs in the same way that it's smart to have a map even if you're familiar with the territory.

Routines: If you're a beginner, routines can help familiarize you with the mechanics of interacting with women. Almost no one teaches them these days though.

Calculated and manipulated conversation: It is very liberating to say things without filter and attract women you genuinely like, but it often takes time and experience (with 'calculated' conversation) to get there. That's where 1000+ approaches come in. Do you really think you could get to where you are now by just "being your genuine self?"

Out of curiosity, what would you have your younger pre-game-self do instead of learning from Torero et al and getting the experience that pickup provides?

SyrusDrake · 2017-11-15T11:24:47+00:00

"You don't need lessons in X" or "just be yourself" is usually a "lesson" propagated by people who are already good at X, either through practice or talent. And if you're already good at something, especially through talent, it's incredibly difficult to teach other people or even realize they need teaching to begin with.
Furthermore, I think "game" is a stupid term. It heavily implies that you're trying to manipulate women into sex or relationships and if you are trying to do that, you're an asshat. However, even though I'm not nearly as "advanced" as other users here, I have learned a lot through places like seddit. Not how to lie to and deceive women but things like "You're not as shit as you may think you are", "You don't need to look like Hugh Jackman in "Logan" for women to be attracted to you", "Most women won't cry "rape" if you smile at them" and "A woman won't just magically figure out you are interested in her, you'll have to start touching her eventually". Yea, this may all seem obvious to you but that's the point. It is obvious to you but not to many other people. You just do it naturally. In my case, and thousands of men are similar in that way, "being myself" means never flirting, never touching, always only interacting with women purely platonically and hoping she will make a move.

pru51 · 2017-11-12T12:10:47+00:00

The law of numbers. You can only fail so many times.

gtaquestion11 · 2017-11-12T22:44:21+00:00

The only question that matters: how much did you get laid from this?

Actual numbers. The amount of times you got laid from these 1000 approaches is the most key part of this info and takeaways. And that stat is nowhere to be found.

TheXXL · 2017-11-13T13:43:45+00:00

I accept I may well be down-voted into oblivion for posting this

I honestly wonder why you even care about votes on such an unimportant thing as a random internet forum... I certainly don't. But back to topic, i agree on every point.

hxtres · 2018-01-15T01:40:43+00:00

I would say it's not so much "be yourself" as it is "make yourself into the person you want to be".

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