How do you distinguish between lack of game or lack of initial interest preventing game from working?

GymBroTRT · 2024-07-28T00:21:30+00:00

Look, here is the problem with pickup stuff and “game”. The whole concept, if you think about it, is built on the idea that the woman is up there, she’s hot, she gets all kinds of men throwing themselves at her, she is utterly uninterested in men UNLESS they can do something spectacular to gain her interest. On the other side is the man, he is down here, the man is a nobody, he desires women and sex more than air itself, so he must do something spectacular and “game” the woman so she starts seeing him as less of a cockroach and more of a someone who she might actually allow to breath the same air as him.

I know this is a bit of an exaggeration, but the basic underlying assumption of “game” is that women are uninterested in sex and you somehow have to jump through a bunch of hoops and convince them to entertain you as someone worthwhile of their time.

Long time ago I figured out that this is like shooting yourself in the dick. The whole idea behind “game” is flawed. I thought, what if, what if women are just interested right of the bat. Not to the point that they will jump in bed with me right away but they are actually attracted to some degree and there is nothing I need to do to make it happen. You just assume they are attracted because you are awesome and act accordingly.

Wing_Inevitable · 2024-07-28T02:01:08+00:00

How do you distinguish between lack of game or lack of initial interest preventing game from working?

Cuz the second thing won’t stop you IF she opens.

If she doesn’t open it is lack of interest - maybe don’t smell like a toilet.

IF she opens then it is lack of skill.

Don’t get me wrong sometimes the skill requirement is unbelievably high. But IT is your fought after that.

I’ve been blaming it on my “lack of game”, only to realize that it’s probably more likely the women were just no interested from the get go.

And then you create it - SO lack of skill.

Advice: Get any emotional momentum going don’t sit there talking logical shit.

ANY make her angry even (as long as you can recover from that)

It takes two to tango.

She let you take her to the dance floor. Just because you don’t know how to tango…

like talking to a wall.

Ooooo. You have a different problem too.

She has no idea what you are about.

Either You come in too fast and just start talking OR your open and transition are not congruent.

Also, the fact that with everyone else (meaning men,

Men are less scared of unknowns than young women

coupled folks,

There is a men there you “can’t” hurt her

older women

Less scared of “unknowns”. They have seen more.

Also, I’ll notice that when a woman is initially interested, she makes it easy.

Cuz she knows you are “HOT” (Halo effect - If you want to know why you are not an “unknown” in this cases)

This is all obvious,

As you can see your lack of knowledge proves otherwise.

If you can’t point to a problem - you are not qualified to make statements of fact.

is this just a raw numbers game

It is a numbers game the goal of which is to make the number 1/1 - you never will (unless you are willing to go to great lengths) but still.

is it normal that 95% women won’t be receptive and it’s a matter of finding the 5% that are?

No. I told you what the problem is. If you were more specific - someone might help you fix it.

Western-Month-3877 · 2024-07-27T23:56:32+00:00

If it’s 90-95% No it’s not normal, at least in my experience. My pointers would be:

Most interests need to be created. Just like the infamous “sell me this pen” saying in sales industry.
If you said 60-70% I’d believe you. If you said 1 out of 10 women is receptive yeah it’d be a bit too high but I can see it. But 95%? 1 out of 20 is receptive? And we haven’t talked about intimacy yet have we? Yea that’s bad. First I thought maybe you’re too picky that’s why rejection is high, but when you said “20” i was like no you’re probably not.
So I would say it’s more like lack of game. If I were you I’d ask your trustworthy woman friend her opinions on whether you’re attractive (not just looks), interesting enough if you were her date, and how you carry yourself (maybe the way you talk, body gestures etc). She could definitely help you better than us here internet strangers since she sees you and interacts with you.

No-Preference8767 · 2024-07-28T02:53:32+00:00

Me personally I just work on my body language , appearance and delivery then just run the numbers . If you have a witty line it can help but it's mostly about seeing if they have Interest vs convincing

OkProfessional9405 · 2024-07-28T11:35:52+00:00

If a woman is interested, it will be very easy talking to her and you won't need a ton of game.

atomant88 · 2024-07-28T21:09:29+00:00

youre not making sense homie. no one has interest at the beginning. game is how to get them interested. a lack of interest is normal.

jamesfalken · 2024-07-28T02:38:27+00:00

Ok, after reading that, a few things seem apparent.

You are poorly socially calibrated. Stop approaching women who are giving you zero signs that they are attracted to you or want to socialize. I personally just don't subscribe to this autistic PUA bullshit that you need to spam approach uninterested women in order to get better with women. Look for warmer targets. That means look for at least some signs of interest and attraction before approaching.

Which brings me to my next point... you aren't meeting the minimum looks threshold. If you aren't getting any IOIs, you need to improve your looks/appearance, that's everything - physique, body language, posture, swag, wardrobe, grooming etc. Focus on those things until women are eye fucking you regularly, and then things are going to get a lot easier.

It's really simple, "game" does not supercede raw physical attraction.

Title	How do you distinguish between lack of game or lack of initial interest preventing game from working?
Author	Alwaysnthered
Upvotes	8
Comments	27
Date	July 27, 2024 11:30 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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