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[–]Phuxsea 118 points119 points120 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes men just randomly bring up circumcision when they see a woman. Male behavior.
[–]poisonedkiwi 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But it's an Actual Reddit Comment™!
[–]eldred2 45 points46 points47 points 1 year ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So much projection. It's feminists, not all, but enough (sound familiar?), who jump in when men start to talk about our experiences. It's (some) feminists who harp on how they have it worse. It's (some) feminists who pull fire alarms at men's rights meetings.
[–]Roge2005 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Nice that you put (some) to be sure.
[–]AlternativeMix5 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I hate that we have to do that just so some people won't be all like "you're generalizing so it's invalid". It should go without saying we don't think it's EVERY girl or whatever. We just mean the average experience and the "your generalizing" argument is always their first lazy goto attack. I can tell this commenter knows it all to well, so do I. I have to recheck, triple check, etc. that I added "Not All" to everything when it feels pretty obvious. I get that there are people who do generalize. But I feel they are a minority. And people usually only say it to create an obstacle more than anything.
[–]Roge2005 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nah, I always use (some) when talking about women because I don’t like when (some) women say Men as in “All Men”.
[–]AlternativeMix5 -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well saying "all men do" or "all women do" isn't the same as saying "women do" or "men do". It's natural to cut corners and say people do things as an average without having to check and make sure you added a tag about not meaning everyone each time.
[–]OkWillingness3123 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
wait the last sentence? that happened what the hell??
[–]henrysmyagent 114 points115 points116 points 1 year ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Everywhere that men's shelters are proposed, they are vehemently opposed.
Some even become women's shelters!
I just don't buy the "whataboitism attack" misandrists bring up whenever they get called out on their BS.
[–]throwburneraway2 74 points75 points76 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How terminally online is this person if they think this is what actually happens lmfao
[–]AigisxLabrys 46 points47 points48 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very, very terminally online
[–]-BatrickPateman- 85 points86 points87 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is actually usually the other way around.
[–]AigisxLabrys 82 points83 points84 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dear misandrists, stop projecting all of your faults onto men.
[–]BootyBRGLR69 62 points63 points64 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link
David Bowie voice
“There’s a strawmaaaan waiting in the sky”
[–]HunterRenegade09 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
🤣
[–]Phuxsea 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love it! Starman is one of my favorite songs.
[–]Roge2005 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good one
[–]hhhhhhhhhhhjf 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see whataboutism pretty much exclusively the opposite way.
I do concede that this may be biased because I talk about men's issues more than women's.
[–]Sick-of-you-tbh 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The first sentence is waaay too level headed and normal, it usually starts with “Life as a women is hard, so here’s why men are evil-“ then the other stuff by men gets said in return.
And on the flip side whenever men dare to talk about men’s issues for a change instead of continuing to ignore them and only focus on women’s struggles, then they receive the counter arguments and whataboutism
[–]thereslcjg2000 43 points44 points45 points 1 year ago (19 children) | Copy Link
The projection is astounding. I genuinely don’t think I’ve EVER seen anyone say that men have it worse than women in every way. I’ve seen the reverse many times.
Also, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - why the hell do we have to talk about men’s and women’s issues as separate conversations? Gender expectations are so intertwined that in my opinion, you can deal with them far more effectively if you take both sides into account. I don’t understand why so many people want to view their issues in isolation like this.
[–]eldred2 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
why the hell do we have to talk about men’s and women’s issues as separate conversations?
We don't. Egalitarians exist. In fact I am one.
[–]Odd-Talk-3981 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (15 children) | Copy Link
For issues that affect both women and men, I believe feminists would welcome your involvement. Take, for example, male violence against women. If you propose actionable solutions to reduce or even eradicate this issue in good faith, it would certainly benefit men as well. As a man, I would greatly appreciate meeting women for the first time without being perceived as a potential threat - something I would actually welcome.
That said, I'm not sure many of you would appreciate the potential solutions that might need to be implemented...
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (16 children) | Copy Link
If you aren't willing to look at the problem of violence in general and the social acceptance of violence against men in particular, then you're playing right into the narrative.
[–]Odd-Talk-3981 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Violence against men is primarily caused by... other men. But nice try! Unless your primary concern was to address violence perpetrated by men?
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (4 children) | Copy Link
See, you're viewing all individual men as a category. So if they face violence from other men then they aren't a victim but in fact their own abuser.
You obviously haven't seen the extensive research on the fact that it's the woman who usually first introduces violence into a relationship and you are obviously ignorant that most IPV is mutual.
Are you trolling or just wilfully ignorant?
[–]Odd-Talk-3981 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any credible sources to support your claims?
It’s 'funny' that you brought up the topic of social acceptance of violence against men in particular, yet didn’t mention anything about rape culture. The only times you referred to women were to portray them as aggressors. Isn’t that a bit disingenuous?
Could you explain how what you suggested would also benefit women?
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Do you also argue that male prison rape victims shouldn't be talked about, oh status quo warrior?
[–]Odd-Talk-3981 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What gender are most victims of rape in prisons? So, if you truly want to address the issue of rape - whether in prisons or elsewhere - maybe you should tell your bros not to rape, right?
Don’t get me wrong: supporting victims of rape, regardless of their gender, is crucial and necessary. That being said, preventing rapes from happening in the first place would be a more effective approach, don’t you think?
Common sense suggests prioritising the common denominators: most rapes are committed by males, and most victims are women.
Last but not least, I definitely do not support the status quo, as I'm in favour of overthrowing the patriarchy 😉.
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You honestly don't know what you're talking about and it would benefit you to actually explore the peer reviewed literature on this subject.
Aside from that, why you are assigning collective blame to anyone you deem a man for the actions of other people?
Btw, you quack like a TERF. Your gender essentialist assumptions are glaring.
You're actively pushing against talking about all victims of rape and violence, so stop pretending otherwise. If you don't want people "to get you wrong" then stop doing exactly what you're doing.
[–]Sky-kunn 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Let me try...
Person A (Talking about their gender): As a [man/woman], I feel like societal expectations for [men/women] can be very [negative adjective]. Person B (Dismissing): Uhh, what about the [other gender]? Person B (Dismissing): So you think the [other gender] has/have it easy? [Dismissive laughter/comment] Person A: I'm actually just talking about [Person A's gender] right now. That should be allowed. Person B (Dismissing): Typical! When can we talk about the [other gender]? Person B (Dismissing): The [other gender] has/have it worse in every way, so you should focus on that! What about [stereotypical hardship for the other gender]? [Person A's gender] is/are always [negative verb].
Yeah, I've seen that used a ton by women and men, to diminish the points made by the other.
[–]Sky-kunn 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]zombies-and-coffee 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is basically what it's like to be on the malementalhealth subreddit :/
[–]anaIconda69 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"I, a representative of the most privileged demographic in the modern world, would like now to explain my horrible oppression to these strawmen I just set up"
"but what about literal fucking genital mutilation of babies"
">:("
[–]zombies-and-coffee 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bring up male genital mutilation and (some) feminists will immediately pull out the "but it's worse for women and girls!" card. Like, okay... and?! I'll concede it can be way worse in some cases, but the way they phrase things makes it seem like they don't think male genital mutilation even matters at all. It shouldn't be happening to anyone, especially without consent from the person it's happening to!
[–]anaIconda69 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Which is why we should avoid gendered terms like "MGM" - if you phrase it like this, it goes straight to some people's "people I have no empathy for" bin and they immediately stop caring about it. It's almost comical how often the topic becomes
"Do you support banning genital mutilation of infants?"
"OMG YES STOP THIS BARBARIC PRACTICE"
"Great, because thousands of male infants are mutilated each year and-"
"ummm ackshually..."
[–]poisonedkiwi 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why do they always draw noses like this?
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That artist is bad.
[–]Weak_Working8840 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If only that was how women brought up their issues.
Another caricature of all women being perfect with no accountability for the misbehavior of so many
[–]Yepitsme2020 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another opposite day I see. All we need to do is point at how Feminists have shown up at mens groups on college campuses to protest men having a space to discuss their own hardships.... Showed up with signs, and even yelled at the speaker (Who was a woman) and told her that men don't have any real issues, so this meeting was pointless. (Yes really)
"But you're a CIS White Male" is used as an argument/rebuttal if that tells you anything.
Whoever penned that little comic somehow managed to get it bass ackwards.
[–]ChargeProper 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pure projection, because its the other way around language and everything
[–]HumansDisgustMe123 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Obvious projection. I've seen, liked, and supported countless posts and discussions about women's issues. I draw the line when those same issues are used as a bargaining chip to make sweeping negative tribalist generalisations about any gender, which unfortunately happens far too often.
There's plenty of women out there who want to talk about their issues, who genuinely want to improve things for women like themselves, then there's the hateful minority (who are still a significant quantity) who don't actually give a shit about women's safety and only bring it up as a way to spread loosely-targeted vitriol at anyone who identifies as male. That same reductive narcissistic minority then becomes incredibly defensive when people call them out on their bullshit.
This sub and LWMA are prime examples of this. Women have come to both of these subs before many many times, and by refraining from negative stereotypes or accusatory language, have been welcomed kindly and listened to. Even though this is considered a male space, we have often positively entertained discussions with women about women's issues, and we've fought against the minority of people in these subs who propagate misogynistic stereotypes and content. A quick look at either sub will reveal misogynistic content heavily downvoted by long time subscribers.
The problem though is with people who think their trauma or their anger entitles them to generalise. That's where subs like these draw the line. There are male abuse survivors out there including myself, and there are male rape victims. When we don't moderate our words and use lazy reductive generalisations, we're actively conflating those victims with abusers and rapists, so misandrists shouldn't be surprised that they get a lot of hostility when they're actively dredging up and amplifying trauma for countless men.
[–]Cedleodub 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
oh right...
try this "what about men" reply in any women subreddit and count the seconds before you get banned...
the situation presented here simply does not exist
Nice strawman
[–]zombies-and-coffee 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This reminds me of a protest in (I think?) Toronto outside of a seminar about men's mental health. Specifically, I think it was about suicide? Anyway, the point is that a bunch of feminists were protesting right outside the lecture hall this seminar was happening in, screeching so loudly that they could be heard inside. One of them pulled a fire alarm and so the building had to be evacuated, which they cheered for.
Outside, as people were waiting to either go back inside or for their rides to pick them up, these feminists were getting in their faces and calling them all sorts of horrible names. One man was asked something like "Why do you hate women, you male scum?" and he, without even looking at this woman, said he was there to find closure about why his friend had committed suicide.
It's been forever since I saw the video about the protest and I have no clue if it even still exists. It just makes me sick that anytime something like this happens, nothing or very little happens to properly punish the women who do it. Men are just expected to sit there quietly until a woman decides he is needed.
The u of t women's studies department is pathological. They actively encouraged women to try to walk down men on the street.
[–]notarobot4932 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel like this happens a lot more to people that bring up men’s issues lol
[–]siyun1 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've seen both this situation and the reverse. Not sure why a comic showing this situation is being viewed as misandry; it's definitely happened.
[–]AlternativeMix5 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can't even say anything remotely venting as a guy without hearing "womp womp" from women. But all I ever hear is their bullshit. Women get so many outlets, the internet doesn't stomp out their voice, and they get supported all the time. They can make toxic anti men posts all over the internet and get praise for it like it's empowering. But as soon as a guy tries to vent or say he's depressed in a post on FB or something, here comes a group of women coming to kick them while their down on Every. Single. Post., they give us absolutely nothing.
[–]henday194 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I think this is a satirical comment pointing out what it would look like in a hypothetical role reversal…
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It's not.
[–]henday194 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Got a link suggesting as much or are you just being contradictory?
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Hahaha a peer reviewed study on that comic's meaning?
You're a real special person aren't you?
[–]henday194 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Not even close, just a link that would suggest that it's not satirical.
Evidently projection. unless you can point out exactly where I asked for a peer reviewed study rather than something so much as suggesting it's a real take.
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The source would be that comic's ongoing work.
[–]henday194 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Sweet, notice I asked for a link? Idk who this person is lmao.
See how your baseless condescension isn't helping prove your point? Did you find where I asked for a peer reviewed study yet? You're just perpetuating your own misery by trying to put others down for asking for more information.
[–]Sleeksnail[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The comic has a watermark. Your condescension isn't helping you. You're making yourself miserable by your unwillingness to actually think.
Why are you so desperate for a gotcha? Is your life really that bleak?
Enjoy your shitty misandry, I guess.
[–]henday194 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too small to notice evidently. You started the condescension, I'm matching your energy. Good effort though. I just have better things to spend my time on, your "no u" response proves you're equally "unwilling to think", projection?
I literally just asked for a link suggesting it isn't satire, you're the one who decided to deflect from actually providing proof to a semantic argument.
I'm starting to think you don't know the definition of misandry.
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