Thoughts on Andrea Dworkin’s view of leftist men?

Leinadro · 2025-03-09T14:41:49+00:00

Rage bait from a woman that actually made hating men her entire personality.

Also it doesn't help that a lot of feminists try to either pretend she didn't exist or worse actually try to defend her hatred.

That specific comment is just a thin veiled claim that all men are bad.

flaumo · 2025-03-09T07:34:53+00:00

Well, she got abused by her anarchist boyfriend in the Netherlands. So to her personally that might add up, especially if she wants to politicize her personal trauma.

I personally stay away from hateful misandrists like her, nothing good comes out of it when they see you like that.

Mustard_The_Colonel · 2025-03-09T06:29:03+00:00

Why even discuss something that is obviously outrage bulshit

Mysterious-Zone-334 · 2025-03-09T09:21:42+00:00

It goes to show that you could be the perfect little left wing, male feminist ally and still end up being hated on and a punching bag. There is no winning.

frackingfaxer · 2025-03-09T15:52:27+00:00

I've heard it many times. It's widely quoted, but it doesn't appear to be a real quote. It's a paraphrase or misquote of something she wrote in her book Right-Wing Women.

Nonetheless, it does describe an opinion she held, described in Chapter 3 of that book. It's an attack on the New Left, the 60s counterculture, and the Sexual Revolution. The problem with them? Men. Men are the problem.

Norman Mailer remarked during the sixties that the problem with the sexual revolution was that it had gotten into the hands of the wrong people. He was right. It was in the hands of men.

Left, right, and centre, men want to get laid. For Dworkin, this means women are going to get fucked, both literally and figuratively, those two kinds of "fucked" being inextricably intertwined in Dworkin's thought. While hippie sexual freedom was a major component of the New Left, to Dworkin, this was a misogynist scam to turn women into "public property" through the three Ps: promiscuity, prostitution, and pornography. Therefore, women should abandon the left, not to flee to the right, but to separate from men entirely. This eventually culminates in what is arguably her most fancifully absurd proposal: a nation-state for women, modeled after Israel as a homeland for Jews.

Naturally, I don't agree with her. To me, it's fairly obvious what's wrong with all this, but if you want a detailed explanation, let me know.

Ok_Wonder3107 · 2025-03-09T09:54:40+00:00

The only type of men that feminists find acceptable are those who are willing to sacrifice everything and become slaves to women. They rage against trad men, but they hate liberal men the most.

It’s because we are the only people who challenge the benefits that women get from the so called patriarchy. We are the only ones who encourage other men to break free from the chains of “traditional values”. We go around demanding equality and liberty, and feminists absolutely hate that.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-03-09T18:22:28+00:00

Here'a quote about Andrea: "Andrea Dworkin, a radical feminist writer and activist, was often accused of hating men due to her strong critiques of patriarchy and male power structures."

She hated men, regardless. So, why does her opinion matter or need critique? We know where she stands, and it's from an illogical position.

2025-03-09T10:29:40+00:00

Rage bait. I agree the era she lived in was a bit different, still rage bait though.

SunJiggy · 2025-03-10T19:52:13+00:00

It's proof that feminism is a infinite purity spiral for men, where nothing you do can absolve your original sin of being male, and any wrong you do for any reason will be blamed on your gender no matter your actual beliefs.

NatSyndicalist · 2025-03-10T01:09:42+00:00

So if a man expects monogamy, it's wrong, but if he's poly, it's also wrong. There's no winning.

CR9_Kraken_Fledgling · 2025-03-09T14:18:10+00:00

The only halfway true thing is that being a leftist doesn't guarantee you are a good guy, or not a misogynyst.

I'd argue this is still a false equivalence tho, clearly stemming from her abusive relationship with that one anarchist. Anyone saying there is no difference in the level of misoginy between the average leftist and the average right winger is delusional. I could even argue it between the average liberal and average right winger, but leftists? That's even a tier beyond that, I'd say.

Absentrando · 2025-03-09T18:01:27+00:00

She obviously has a kink

Kuato2012 · 2025-03-09T21:31:07+00:00

Andrea Dworkin's view

Safe to discard.

No-Knowledge-8867 · 2025-03-11T07:54:45+00:00

Andrea Dworkin's opinion on anything isn't worth listening to. Her entire world view is framed by a hatred for men. There is never any insight to be gained from people like that.

Revolutionary-Focus7 · 2025-03-19T02:01:11+00:00

Well, I'm a transsexual man and Andrea Dworkin is vocally anti-trans, so that certainly doesn't endear me to her, to put it very lightly. And in all honesty, her opinions are such shite that not even other feminists (especially sex-positive feminists) want to touch. She's a disgraceful and spiteful TERF through and through

MedBayMan2 · 2025-03-09T14:10:42+00:00

Just because she made the blatant mistake of hanging around "poly" people (bored rich kids), which has always been a scam for at least one of the parties involved, does not make all of us monsters. She would understand that if she stopped her navel-gazing for one second.

People like her are the very reason the left is down and disunited, in my opinion. She doesn't want to fight for the collective, she just wants to whine and use the rest of us as tools. We just flied past 1.6°C global warming, so at that point if your priorities are cosmetic stuff like "men=bad" I'd say you're pretty deluded and privileged.

bortalizer93 · 2025-03-10T19:36:23+00:00

Ah yes, gender reductionism at its finest.

Tasty_Pollution3559 · 2025-06-30T18:06:49+00:00

I’m not a left wing man, but I love this quote. It’s so damn true. And everyone saying it’s misandrist should go cry.

Dance_Sufficient · 2025-03-10T02:48:56+00:00

She pretended to be a lesbian and co opted to gay community to her means.

LittleBoyGB · 2025-03-10T07:16:42+00:00

Andrea Dworkin believes all heterosexual sex is rape. She's a militant homosexual proselytiser but yall not ready to have that conversation yet about female Homosexualisers.

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