Male suicide rates are blamed squarely on men - women and society receive no blame.

Cool_Doughnut1827 · 2025-05-31T23:49:41+00:00

“Toxic masculinity” is a null and avoid argument. The stats prove it to be incorrect

In the UK, 91% of men who died by suicide were actively seeking help before ending their lives.

So this idea that it’s men’s fault for not taking about it, is pure victim blaming and gaslighting. The stats don’t even back it up

WhyDidntITextBack · 2025-06-01T00:05:27+00:00

If there ever is a draft, I hope no one expects us to lay our lives on the line, cause I won’t, and I’m sure tons of my fellow men won’t either.

Winter_Reveal_5894 · 2025-06-01T00:49:45+00:00

This is a common theme in feminism.

Women's issues are phrased exclusively as being top-down. They are imposed on women by society, which to a feminist, primarily means men. When a woman has body issues, it's men's fault. When a woman is depressed, it's men's fault. Believe it or not, when a woman attacks another woman, it's men's fault too.

Men's issues, on the other hand, are bottom-up. They are attributed to men whom they claim created all societal norms, which they then used to hurt themselves.

In other words, men act. Women are acted upon.

For women, this makes perfect sense. They are never to be held accountable for their actions. Everything they do, they claim, they were made to do, and therefore accept no responsibility. Everything that goes wrong is the fault of the man closest in proximity to them.

And this thinking makes sense from a feminist's perspective. Men's issues are things that men have to solve from within, in a bottom-up, address-their-own-problems sort of way. Women's issues are things that require resources. More money, more shelters, more help. If men's problems are all self-inflicted, feminists can claim that they do not require any of the finite funds to address, and can therefore divert more to themselves.

jaceq777 · 2025-06-01T04:06:34+00:00

I've seen articles trying to point towards women shaming men constantly as a reason for the declining mental health of men and guess what, in the replies there were lots of women cheering and commenting that men should be shamed even more because now "they're getting the taste of their own medicine". It's a strange revenge mentality, I don't know what women as a whole are trying to avenge, but they certainly don't care that they're driving men to suicide in the process.

Far_Buyer9040 · 2025-06-01T08:16:37+00:00

yeah, they say 'men should open up, ask for help' and then they cancel any male space like MGTOW

BattlepassHate · 2025-06-01T12:34:59+00:00

Female suicide rates are also blamed squarely on men :)

walterwallcarpet · 2025-06-01T05:43:38+00:00

Women don't LISTEN to male concerns.

Over time, this screws men up. https://menaregood.com/the-invisible-blue-taboo-the-burden-of-boys-and-men/

Icy-Picture-192 · 2025-06-01T00:38:00+00:00

Men AND women should be protecting mens mental health but we live in a society where it's promoted being a man is bad. That putting men down so every mainstream. And so much more.

And then people wonder why men have a hard time opening up and all these negative views on men takes a toll on them. How could it not

Redsands · 2025-06-01T04:48:24+00:00

Suicide rates are highest in men involved with the family courts.

antixwick999 · 2025-06-01T15:20:13+00:00

They don't wanna admit that men are bigger victims

DizzyAstronaut9410 · 2025-06-01T01:28:30+00:00

Don't you see, society is just a result of the Patriarchy, but the Patriarchy is a result of men.

So both can be said to be a result of society, but inevitably, that means the result of men.

Its a neat way of accepting no responsibility in any societal issues and ultimately blaming men, without doing so directly.

Kardlonoc · 2025-06-01T03:07:04+00:00

There are great societal double standards at play.

Indeed, women complain (important that this is not a deal breaker) that men aren't in touch with their feelings, nor do they understand the feminist struggle, and a lot of the time, they are part of the problem. The typical masculine ideal is toxic, etc.

Now, when men act on this, when they actually open up, showing actual vulnerability, pretty much act on everything a feminist wants, they are no longer fulfilling the masculine ideal as society deems. What was once manly, now they deem to be whining. Why are they saying they are "victim" now as well?

The feminist solutions are not the reality that most women actually want out of men. Some very progressive women are fine with it, but most actually want a movie version/ drama version/ romcom version of a man, but are fine to settle with a man who reaches most of those ideals.

So when men sort of open up and show weakness, it's an issue. Women don't see the feminist side of this, the man opening up about his feelings, but only see his problems. If communication breaks down, the women simply will dump him for another man who doesn't display his issues and problems. IE, a man more in line with the typical version of a man without feminism.

These issues are not something really solved by women, but by men, and believing in men's empowerment. It is similar to how feminism is, that is, about empowerment. A feminist might yell and say a man doesn't need to be empowered (in the same line as white men meeting in a group based on white men is deemed racist, old boy club, etc, though in every other race and gender meeting it's perfectly fine), but that is the healthiest solution.

Feminism's main issues are with rich men. Greatest Gen and their children (boomers) who grew up sexist. Tossing all men into that category has caused a ton of damage. But like movements around rights, solutions don't come from the external but from within.

totktonikak · 2025-05-31T23:56:13+00:00

Holding women accountable? What an outlandish idea, it's like stopping sun from rising in the east.

ayhme · 2025-05-31T22:55:44+00:00

So true.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-06-01T18:07:08+00:00

If no men existed in the world, and there was an Earthquake, they'd still blame men.

Ok-Consideration8724 · 2025-06-02T10:24:45+00:00

When I was having a mental health episode recently, I had gone to the VA here in the US. Of course the nurses are all women and they took my vitals. Then came an actual doctor. The issues was that it was a female. I was trying to discuss my issues of not being able to protect or provide for my family on account of an asthma and sleep apnea diagnosis. She seemed kind of weird and was” like why can’t your wife do that?”

I asked politely for a male and she got really offended and just said fine I won’t help you then. Then a male doctor came in and immediately understood what was going on.

I think the female doctor did have good intentions. Just she couldn’t understand what I was going through as a man.

hottake_toothache · 2025-06-01T15:53:55+00:00

People don't care about men.

2025-06-02T01:09:21+00:00

That would be called double standard and that's not fair at all everything in society in relationships to mental health is always blamed on men women have no accountability that is just facts.

bigskib69 · 2025-06-02T02:29:48+00:00

Wdym women and society? Society is men and women. Men and women are equal, no one gender is responsible for suicide rates

Simplement_thrown · 2025-06-03T12:16:13+00:00

They even mock it. I'd post examples but you can post photos here.

Additional_Insect_44 · 2025-06-05T04:38:59+00:00

Boy, this world will be in judgment. But, we can be the change.

Hulu_laka · 2025-06-05T08:03:29+00:00

double standards

Ornery-Ad-8458 · 2025-06-01T03:16:58+00:00

This is really interesting, because it is the complete opposite from the opinions I generally interact with (I do not follow this subreddit and happened upon this post kind of by chance). I'll have to do some research on therapy and its origins and history, because your statement is one I have never heard before and I would like to discover more about it. Therapy is hard because it can take going through a lot of different therapists to find one that works for you. I've had a few different therapists over the past several years and some were definitely better than others. I'm sorry to hear that your experience did not lead to anything positive.

In truth, I rarely comment on anything, especially not on posts of a controversial nature. I wanted to make a comment because I deeply care about male suicide rates and I am truly sorry to hear about your struggle with suicidality. Speaking from experience, that is a horrible place to be. In all honesty, I believe that feminism (in theory) advocates for men's mental health as well. Unfortunately, in practice I can see how that gets lost, and that your perception of feminism is likely based in your interactions with any feminists you have had experience with. In my research on feminism--and there are a whole lot of varying takes on what it is, so some find it helpful to say "Feminisms" instead of referring to a singular "Feminism"--I have come to see feminism as advocating for everyone's rights. Of course, it centers women because women's issues are what it was created to address. However, feminism is, as a whole, meant to make life better for everyone, not better for women and worse for men.

Regarding toxic masculinity, I think it is important to recognize that although it may not be the issue that is the direct source for your current situation, it is certainly a real issue.

Additionally, I wanted to address your statement about demonizing men and labeling them as rapists, more dangerous than bears, etc. (I recognize this advice is unsolicited, so feel free to ignore it if you'd like. I just saw your post and wanted to provide insight in case it helped at all.)

You are correct in that demonizing entire groups often causes harm. Generalizations are a dangerous game, and often are not helpful. If these generalizations are largely finding you on social media, I believe there are positive circles that exist for men online as well to discuss mental health issues in constructive ways. I wonder if any of those might be helpful? If men-bashing videos are finding you often and you watch them, it is likely that the algorithm is feeding you more because it is created to keep you watching content, and the more time you spend watching, the more inclined it is to feed you those videos. If these are things that you are hearing in person, that is obviously more difficult to avoid, and this is what I can offer.

As a woman who has had the “man vs bear” conversation with a lot of my friends, this is our reasoning: not that all men are dangerous, but that many are, and if we were able to choose the man we were in the forest with, of course the majority of us would choose the man. I have wonderful men in my life who I trust and love dearly. However, I don’t know if I have a single female friend who has not been harassed, or at worst, abused by a man (or multiple). This is not an exaggeration. I can think of at least five women off the top of my head who have been victims of rape at least once, if not more. The reason that many of us would choose the bear over a random man is that at worst, a bear would kill us. Faced with the alternative possibility of prolonged harassment and abuse (which often leads to death in the end anyway), death is preferable.

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usernameisweirdhere · 2025-06-01T10:55:28+00:00

Women attempt suciede 3 times the amount that men do, however it's done with pills usually instead of a gun which is typically done by a man. A gun obviously has a higher fatality rate so the suciede rate is higher. Women report not using a gun because they do not want people to have to deal with the nightmare mess. Also u seem to live on the internet and not actually interact much with women in real life

Title	Male suicide rates are blamed squarely on men - women and society receive no blame.
Author	TrainingGap2103
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Date	May 31, 2025 10:49 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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