The New Yorker's Article on the "Centrist Manosphere"

Local-Willingness784 · 2025-11-11T20:22:05+00:00

The ambassadors of the centrist manosphere praise women’s advancement and the feminist cause while insisting that men’s economic and vocational anxieties are more naturally potent. This ambivalence reveals the weakness of their side. The right-wing manosphere knows that masculinity is a series of dominance signals beamed from behind iridescent Oakleys and the wheel of the most enormous pickup truck you’ve ever seen; it is a smirking multimillionaire who “DESTROYS” a young woman at a college-hosted debate; it is—must it be said?—an AR-15, openly carried. Manliness in the Trump era, Susan Faludi has written, “is defined by display value,” which exhibits itself in a “pantomime of aggrieved aggression.” Upon this stage, men’s biggest problem is feminism, and the solutions are straightforward: restrict reproductive rights, propagandize about traditional gender roles, etc.

not even when talking about centrists, they can make this fucking right-wing caricatures, they just cant help, and then wonder why the fuck men dont like their stuff.

The squishier centrist side has no such certainties. Galloway, in both his podcasts and “Notes on Being a Man,” presents masculinity not as one side of a fixed binary but as a state of mind and a life style, one equally available to men and women, and therefore impossible to define. (It’s a feeling, and we know how Trump supporters feel about those.) Within this amorphous framework, men’s biggest problem is, likewise, a feeling—an unreachable itch, or a marrow-deep belief—that men should still rank above women in the social hierarchy, just not as much as before. This belief may be misguided or unconscious, but it is nonetheless insuperable, and it must be accommodated, for the good of us all.

just this just have said enough about this person's true feelings about men, masculinity and men's rights but....

The deeper one sinks into our nation’s alleged man-boy problem and its potential solutions, the more the woman reader may begin to feel something stronger than resentment or intellectual disdain. She may begin to feel a chauvinistic gratitude in her sex. The familiar flatness of feeling a little degraded seems preferable to the anger, entitlement, and alienation that (we are told over and over) gnaws away at so many male specimens. What a gift it is, really, to have no choice in the matter. To have to move out of your parents’ house, to show up for your shift, to change the diaper, not because any of it is gender-affirming but because life is full of tasks that need doing, and you are the person who does them. At least then you know who you are.
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Kurtz unearths what he can of their lives, and he finds plenty of evidence of what today we might call men in crisis: deaths of despair; dislocation and broken families; dependency. A carpenter named Finn Egeland, who was thirty years old, either jumped or fell from the Empire State Building as construction was wrapping up; his death was ruled a suicide. Another carpenter, Matthew McKean, had abandoned his wife and two children back in their home country of Scotland. And a stone setter in his twenties named James Kerr was still living with his mother. ♦

see? people (men) have always been in a crisis and women have issues too, men are entitled, angry, lazy and alienated while women are hardworking, gueling, cold super-heroines at home and at work, so vote democrat then? democrats good.. yay.

Specific_Detective41 · 2025-11-11T20:48:25+00:00

Discourse from the mainstream / legacy media and the left will never cease to disappoint me. Unless they get their act together and stop comparing mens issues to women's issues or comparing men's rights to the manosphere, nothing will change.

volatile-solution · 2025-11-12T02:06:38+00:00

even four men chatting in a park is now called manosphere.

GrandyRetroCandy · 2025-11-11T19:34:43+00:00

Oh no, men who aren't alt-right, who aren't left-wing, who are just......regular people with regular struggles with reasonable concerns and middle-of-the-road political beliefs.

Local-Willingness784 · 2025-11-11T20:21:56+00:00

Part self-help memoir and part Dudes Rock polemic, the book presents a capital-letter credo: “Men Protect, Provide, and Procreate.” Masculinity can be expressed simply by “getting up at fucking six in the morning and going to work and doing shitty work such that you can protect your family economically,” Galloway once said. And the evolved man also insures that he does not slack off “domestically, emotionally, or logistically,” leaving his partner to ask, in Galloway’s signature demotic, “O.K., boss, what the fuck are you bringing to the table?”

what the fuck is this?

The college gender gap, for instance, could be evidence of a rudderless, demoralized generation of young men, but it might also be the product of differing economic incentives. A paper published last year by Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce examines the labor landscape of rural America, noting that women need more education to earn the same amount of money as men, and that the less education a worker has, the more this gender gap widens. The over-all trajectory for the lowest-earning men is not good, certainly, but it’s not clear that their female counterparts are faring better.

of course this is about women having it worse now....

The suicide gender gap, for another example, is actually narrowing—in 2007, it was five to one—and young women attempt suicide more often than young men do. Women’s wages over all are still seventeen per cent lower than men’s, partly because women are vastly overrepresented in many relatively underpaid provinces of health care and social services. And this same asymmetry helps to explain the unemployment gender gap among younger adults: health care is the source of most labor-force growth in the U.S., and it’s women who are taking most of those jobs. Even so, unemployment among Black women is up, partly because they were overrepresented in federal agencies that were decimated by DOGE, and labor-force participation among women with children is down, possibly because of rising child-care costs and the kinds of strict return-to-office policies endorsed by the Trump Administration.

of course women attempting suicide and men literally killing themselves is the same fucking thing... and again with that bullshit on the wage gap, my goodness....

But then much of the centrist manosphere’s rhetoric is predicated on refusing to see half of what’s in front of you. Newsom’s executive order concerning men and boys acknowledges the strong correlation between social-media usage and mental-health disorders such as depression and anxiety, but it doesn’t note that these effects manifest in girls at significantly higher rates. In “Notes on Being a Man,” Galloway writes, “The deliberate transfer of wealth from the young to the old in the United States over the past century has led to unaffordable and indefensible costs for education and housing, and skyrocketing student debt, all of which directly affect young men.” He could have said “young people,” unless college bursars and landlords run a discount program for the ladies which I haven’t heard about.

the fucking numbers dont lie, whats with that sass when talking about mens issues? men are homeless at higher rates, more unemployed, and we are supposed to pretend it is our fault? or that when there is a systemic problem that doesnt affect the other gender ,then we can just shrug and sass about it? why were women behind in the 50s when landlords weren't favoring men or when states sent men as cannon fodder because they were men? or were women the primary victims of this too?

Kuato2012 · 2025-11-11T18:04:49+00:00

Paywalled

Specialist_Load_9953 · 2025-11-11T20:27:04+00:00

Feminism is the idea of an obsession with group identity, with a sense victimhood and need for revenge at its core, a revolution where feminism intends to change everything it desires, in order to achieve what feminism self-determines as equity according to group identity; crucially through using any authoritarian means necessary to ultimately achieve its goal as a single narrative dictatorship.

Feminism wants to change society to be feminist and to enforce feminist principles on society, regardless of the will of others, which is anti-liberal authoritarianism.

Feminism in saying that their way has to be done, regardless of anyone else’s beliefs, is anti-liberal authoritarianism.

Feminism in saying that they’re going to impose their ideology on everyone, irrespective of what anyone else thinks, is anti-liberal authoritarianism.

Feminism in saying that all must adhere to their doctrine and don’t care to hear the opinions of others, is anti-liberal authoritarianism.

Feminism in saying that they’re going to make everyone adopt their values, without any consideration of how this may impact others, is anti-liberal authoritarianism.

Feminism intends to limit freedoms of speech, feminism through forced compelled speech will ‘make’ you use its language, feminism wants to censor and destroy any art or books that it finds problematic, feminism plans to cutout scenes from comedy shows that they don’t like so nobody gets to see them and nobody gets to make that individual choice; all of which is anti-liberal authoritarianism.

It’s arguable that in modernity, one of the closest synonyms to anti-liberal authoritarianism is feminism.

Feminism is now and in some significant part always has been, an aspirational single narrative dictatorship that has come from misandry.

… an aspiring misandrist autocratic gynarchist dictatorship!

generic_name · 2025-11-12T20:15:45+00:00

But Emanuel does not see such promise in New York City’s mayor-elect, the Democratic Socialist Zohran Mamdani, even though Mamdani’s campaign focussed relentlessly on affordability and, according to early exit polling, he won male voters between the ages of eighteen to twenty-nine by an astonishing forty points.

This reminds me of the 2016 election democratic primaries. Bernie sanders was more popular with men than Clinton. But it couldn’t be because of his economic policies like universal healthcare and protecting worker rights while Clinton was more on the neoliberal side right?…. No, it was because of sexism and because those “Bernie Bros” wouldn’t vote for a woman.

Believing in leftist policies that help people seems to be seen as feminine. Unmanly. To the point where even liberals can’t acknowledge that men are openly asking for help from politicians.

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Brave-Pie-9831 · 2025-11-14T06:21:36+00:00

I just finished reading that article and so must of it is based on straw man arguments it's not funny. A lot of these articles are based on the perceptive of what these guys say, but not a lot of their opinions are based on quotes that confirm any of their biases.

Then there are things like the suicide issue which she dismisses as it's ' narrowing', in the it's changed from 5 to 1. What isn't clear is whether the total amount has decreased, which would be more relevant. It may be that suicide rates among both genders has increased.

apokrif1 · 2025-11-14T09:49:07+00:00

Thanks, but can you please clean the URL?

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