Today I Learned the only problem with Feminism is that it got "branded" by anti-feminists.

JesusSaidSo · 2013-04-19T04:10:34+00:00

If the "Good Feminists" TRULY wanted equality in all things, if they TRULY felt that equality was the most important thing, they would abandon the name "Feminism".

At the end of the day, its just a word, isn't it? Why can't they just leave the negative connotations it brings and simply call themselves Egalitarians?

I'm not a Men's Rights Activist. I'm not a Feminist. I am a Human Being. I see, and recognize, that we are all Human Beings. We all deserve the same things in life. Fair treatment, equal opportunity, and unalienable rights are something all of us deserve.

Why hold on to a name that associates you with radicals and extremists, and then do nothing to make sure they don't define you?

Anti-Feminists didn't brand Feminism, it branded itself. It branded itself with the burning iron of hatred and ignorance. Feminism grinned with pride as its flesh was permanently marked with the shame of bigotry and intolerance.

jmnzz · 2013-04-19T04:15:27+00:00

The obvious ilk to blame for feminism’s shitty PR is anti-feminists.

Uh huh. Or the obvious ilk to blame might be, oh I don't know...feminists.

People tend to start disliking a movement when its members vehemently and publicly state that half the human race are violent animals that need to be trained like dogs from a young age not to beat and rape the other half.

But no let's just go with Samhita's theory that all of the bad PR is the fault of anti-feminists.

We point out the hateful things that feminists say and do and the public responds in kind.

Yep. It's all our fault!

OuiCrudites · 2013-04-19T03:55:43+00:00

Enthusiastically fostering hatred against 1/2 the human race = OK!

Aggressively lobbying for laws, policies, and social spending that favor women and exclude men = OK!

Aggressively lobbying against grassroots activism for equality = OK!

Viciously attacking women who don't call themselves feminists = OK!

Repressing mountains of evidence in the fields of domestic violence and sexual violence to further your hateful agenda = OK!

Destroying marriage and fatherhood in Western societies = OK!

Yup...their ONLY problem is us goshduhrn anti-feminists.

ZorbaTHut · 2013-04-19T06:43:01+00:00

I like how the first paragraph elegantly demonstrates the beginning and end of the entire situation.

The study found that only 20% of Americans identify as feminist whereas 82% believe that “men and women should be social, political, and economic equals.”

Hmm. So maybe they assume feminism isn't simply about equality.

Equality between men and women is the most commonly accepted, mainstream definition of feminism.

Well, okay, I can see that as being a problem. I mean, if feminism really is just about equality between men and women, then it is sort of sad that so few people who believe in equality don't consider themselves feminists.

Feminism is solely about equality between men and women, right?

It’s not the only one — and certainly not the one that we adhere to at Feministing (as it relies too wholeheartedly on the gender binary and ignores all the other forms of difference we think are as important as gender oppression)

Okay.

So, uh.

I guess feminism isn't simply about gender equality.

Then where's the problem?

— but it is what most people understand feminism to be about.

Apparently not, or they'd call themselves feminists. No, they seem to have a pretty good grasp on what feminists believe "feminism" to be, actually.

2013-04-19T07:15:12+00:00

It's almost as if critisism has never happened to anyone else.

It's as if no-one questioned Ghandi and no-one opposed Martin Luther King.

If the shit from people's criticisms is sticking to you - maybe it's because there are aspects of truth to it.

Guaranteed that there are some unfair smear campaigns that go around - and some are successful, but if you don't at least entertain the idea that maybe you have something to improve on - then your detractors are probably right.

If someone can't improve themselves based on other people's critisisms - then they're probably not challenging themselves by their own merit either. They're stuck in their own echo chamber thinking about how their beliefs are undeniably correct. And how many feminists have we met that act this way?

Anyway, I like the bit in the middle where apparently one of the campaigns against feminism is saying that they don't have sex (what a great straw man, btw). Because it's actually fucking degrading to women to say that they're persuaded away from pursuing "equality" by their lust.

Really that complaint sounds like it would come from a Church.

rottingchrist · 2013-04-19T05:52:01+00:00

Maybe we should be screenshotting all feminist articles. They already make a great living off just being insufferable asshats on the internet. I doubt most of them have day jobs.

CosmicKeys · 2013-04-19T07:07:06+00:00

According to a new study at the Huffington Post (with YouGov) there is a major disparity between people that believe in equality “between the sexes” and identify as feminist.

I can tell you exactly why. It's because most people wander around life and understand that gender is pretty balanced. The grass looks a little greener on the other side, but you'd be an idiot to think that you're an oppressed class. The oppressed are those who don't conform to their gender role.

You can be all the hairy lesbian that you want to be, awesome for you.

For example, isn’t it better to understand the role gender plays in rape culture rather than suggest that all men inevitably rape? Duh, yes.

Perhaps you should tell your colleagues this.

PerniciousOne · 2013-04-19T04:24:00+00:00

The study found that only 20% of Americans identify as feminist whereas 82% believe that “men and women should be social, political, and economic equals.”

So the 20% of Americans which identify as feminist believe that women should be more "equal" than men.

We have to both push for a world that demands gender equality, while pushing for a feminism that acknowledges, accepts, and truly incorporates difference.

We want to be equal, except when it comes to the privileges for women. We do not want to get rid of those.

thunder_mcshock · 2013-04-19T07:09:09+00:00

Of course feminism got branded by anti-feminists.

In response to the willful ignorance and hypocritical words and actions from feminists.

trollwnb · 2013-04-19T06:48:30+00:00

I see problem with her logic right away. Feminism doesn't want equality, it wants empowerment of women, while ignoring any problem men faces or saying "Patriarchy hurtz menz to". So majority of people don't associate with feminist because they actually want real equality, where your gender doesnt matter at all and you are rated only by your actual qualities.

CrossHook · 2013-04-19T12:44:18+00:00

More projection. They slander the men's movement and misrepresent it and then claim that critics of feminism are doing the same to them.

Feminism is a diseased ideology. "Patriarchy Theory" is a lie told to promote an excuse hatred towards men.

literallyschmiteraly · 2013-04-19T14:13:53+00:00

Okay, lemme get this straight. Being a feminist doesn't mean you are a hairy lesbian who can't get laid, but hairy lesbians are awesome, so even if you are a hairy lesbian feminist you will for sure get laid. Honest.

I'd like to get compensation from these people for all the brain cells I lose trying to follow their fake logic.

Title	Today I Learned the only problem with Feminism is that it got "branded" by anti-feminists.
Author	OuiCrudites
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Date	April 19, 2013 3:50 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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