Why do they scream?

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January 22, 2019
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Why do women always resort to yelling when they've been shut down by logic, something they are incapable of? An example I heard is someones sister refused to neuter her dog because she claimed it was mutilation, but then when she had a son she had him circumcised. The man confronted his sister about her logic and she immediately began to scream at him and cut off contact with him.


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Title Why do they scream?
Author Thrist4knowledge
Upvotes 152
Comments 50
Date 22 January 2019 01:11 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/175211
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[–]2alpha-zach236 points237 points  (35 children) | Copy

Logic is exhausting for women.

Tomassi has a great article on this. Men rely primarily on logical reasoning. Women on emotional reasoning.

Men-“if it works, do it” Women-“if it feels good do it” (or avoids bad feelings)

Let’s say a 4 year old child asks you why the grass is green. And being the brilliant and logical man you are, you delve into a deep explanation about chlorophyll. You’d be an idiot. Even if the kid wanted to impress you and did their best understand(equivalent of having frame with a woman), he would at best be exhausted and confused. The best approach for bonding would be a fun story about a rabbit that made it his life’s goal to paint all the grass green because it was his favorite color. If you really wanted to teach the kid something of value, you might name the rabbit Chlorophyll.

Women aren’t children. However, for the sake of understanding them, it’s best for a strong man to think of them like big children(strong men should also think of weak men as children, imo.) A woman can handle more information and logic than a 4 year old. But she doesn’t really want to and sometimes can’t go beyond a certain point. My sincere belief is it gives them a physical head ache, like when I’d study a new subject in school with intensity. All the new information, focus, and logic caused mental fatigue and the occasional head ache. These things are helpful in that they create new neural pathways and learning, but it does physically hurt. Women aren’t equipped to handle this well.

Your best approach is to use an analogy or story if you really want to get your point across. Bonus points if it’s a real life story about something that happened to her. This is what your friend did, however he probably did it wrong.

“Hey! I got my kid circumcised!”

“You got your kid circumcised but thought that neutering your dog was mutilation. Both are cutting of the penis. Both against their individual will. Both cause the body parts to work differently and influence the sexual experience of the individual. Do you see how illogical your reasoning is?”

Bad. Don’t do this.

“Hey! I got my kid circumcised!”

“Oh yeah? Huh. Cool.”

Wait ten minutes.

“Remember when you told me you thought neutering your dog was mutilation?”

“Yes.”

“Just checking.”

Do this.

She’ll be confused for a bit. But she’ll recognize the interaction as having some sort of clear subtext. She may write it off in the moment. But she’ll definitely think about it later. She’ll have to make her own connections to the similarities in order to figure out the riddle. This will get the point across, and since it was done in a peaceable manner she can’t come at you yelling her head off. Women greatly respect men that can do this.

Lastly, recall a time in which you were exhausted by a woman’s emotional manipulation. Since we aren’t as emotionally oriented as them, we become exhausted by feeling lots of different emotion. This is how women feel when we try to logic them into agreeing with us or understanding something. She doesn’t necessarily want to know why you came to your conclusion, she just wants to feel like you are right. For this reason, frame and confidence are paramount in relationships with women. Use your logic to come to a conclusion, but once you are there, state it as cold, hard fact. She’ll just follow because she feels like you are right.

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (17 children) | Copy

Whats your explination for women who are just the opposite of what you talk about here? Women who loves science, are highly intelligent and can discuss things and back up their arguments with logics and science?

[–]trp28287[🍰] 19 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy

This. For example most debate contest winners, at least in my country, are female

I think the “lack of logical thinking” in females is only present because they’re often enabled to do so. During an argument with their beta husband, women are enabled to disregard logic and use their “emotions” to their advantage. In science or school, not so much

[–]2alpha-zach23 points24 points  (7 children) | Copy

Debate isn’t simply about logic. That’s a major fallacy.

It’s also about emotion. Women utilize the emotional aspect of debate to a much greater degree than men.

Think of a great orator. He’s going to utilize emotional arguments(story telling, analogy, etc) as well as logic.

As well, I’m not suggesting women are devoid of logic. That’s as absurd as saying men are devoid of emotion.

Generally, I think it’s a Pareto principle. Men are 80% logic, 20% emotion Women are 20% logic, 80% emotion

[–]trp28287[🍰] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I’ve watched a few finals of the National debate competition in my country, and watched lower level competitions as well. Both had absolutely nothing to do with emotions

[–]2alpha-zach0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I’m not going to waste my time explaining it.

Hopefully, we’re bumping up against a semantics issue. But you’re a very poor debater if you think equal parts emotion and logic aren’t involved.

[–]ziphias18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

You want to fit everything to your worldview, and when confronted with hard questions about it, you give shitty, general answers like "its a means to an end" or deflect, like you did here. Sometimes, people are just different, man, not everything has to fit in your Column A and Column B explanation.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's where this conversation is getting muddled, our friend zach here is talking about sexual strategy. If you're having a dry, logical argument with a woman you're not getting in her pants. What he is explaining deals with the OP question at hand. Go ahead and debate women all you want. If you "win" by stating stats and science jargon but use no charisma, humor, wit or any other kind of way that makes you seem actually interesting rather than factual you aren't fucking her which is what we are here on this sub to talk about.

You absolutely can win debates/arguments while being completely wrong by being more charismatic than the other person. That is the ideal goal here. It allows you to control a variety of situations better because you don't actually need to know anything about the topic and it appeals to more people and more people on your side = more power.

[–]trp28287[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I totally get what you mean. But I wouldn’t count the type of intelligence required in (competitive) debating as emotional intelligence. It’s not really about logic either (anyone with half a brain can come up with arguments during a competitive debate), but it’s definitely not about emotions

[–]Nergaal5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women who loves science, are highly intelligent and can discuss things and back up their arguments with logics and science?

I've worked with quite a few. Maybe not always, but at least in any periods of stress, they WILL act like children and scream at you.

[–]hawkeaglejesus5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most things in life aren't absolutes but general trends are correct. See https://i.imgur.com/qZ13YSl.png

Just because some women are taller than some men doesn't negate the fact that in general men are taller than women.

Same goes for just about everything. Just because some women are more rational and logical than some men, doesn't change the fact that in general women are more prone to emotional rather than logical thought.

[–]2alpha-zach10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Chlorophyll, the rabbit, uses his green paint to help the grass grow faster, not just cause he thinks it’s a pretty color.

They are still women. They can’t fight the biology, no matter how hard they try. Women like this are just a little more logically developed and can handle a little more.

Generally, they don’t want this deep down, it simply is a means to an end. They like the benefits the logic provides, whether it’s respect, access to intelligent and wealthy men, or career success. The equivalent of a child raised by parents who are highly intelligent. The kid really wants to play outside, but by being studious and intelligent, he impresses his parents and is praised.

Ultimately, you’ll only run into problems trying to exploit this fact by treating them like men and using your logical processes.

Fun fact: if you stick to plan, they’ll grow their hair out, stop being bitchy, and start acting feminine.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

They are still women. They can’t fight the biology, no matter how hard they try.

Everyone can fight their biology. Most people are simply too lazy to.

[–]adonis_syche2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

think of it like this, just like men have emotional outbursts every now and then, women have logical outbursts every now and then. But then again there are beta men who are more emotional than the queenest of queens. likewise, there are women who are more logical than decartes. Beta men don't make good husbands (but a good cash machine nevertheless), likewise, alpha women (logic-wise) don't make good wives or mothers, but hey, at least you can talk to them.

And generally speaking, women don't mind being logical at all, as long as it serves their purpose. Logic only goes out of the window when the finger is pointed at them.

[–]NorthernWarriorRP7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let’s say a 4 year old child asks you why the grass is green... The best approach for bonding would be a fun story about a rabbit that made it his life’s goal to paint all the grass green because it was his favorite color. If you really wanted to teach the kid something of value, you might name the rabbit Chlorophyll.

I don't know about you, but by age 4 I was already really fed up with all the dumbshit patronizing stories or explanations given to typical children by lazy adults.

[–]2alpha-zach2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And that life choice is exactly why you’re socially awkward.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let’s say a 4 year old child asks you why the grass is green. And being the brilliant and logical man you are, you delve into a deep explanation about chlorophyll. You’d be an idiot. Even if the kid wanted to impress you and did their best understand(equivalent of having frame with a woman), he would at best be exhausted and confused.

I would have liked the chlorophyll explanation when I was a kid :/

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Hey! I got my kid circumcised!”

“Oh yeah? Huh. Cool.”

Wait ten minutes.

“Remember when you told me you thought neutering your dog was mutilation?”

“Yes.”

“Just checking.”

Do this.

The reason this works is that she will feel you believe she can figure it out on her own. If you just explain it to her it's like you are saying she is stupid (which she clearly is). By doing this second strategy it's like you are saying "You are wrong, but I believe you can figure it out on your own.", so she thinks about it and it gives her a chance of proving herself to you and making you proud in some way, or so she feels. At least this is my assessment of it. Women like to feel like they are winning you over.

[–]ModTheRedPike[M] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

+1

[–]2alpha-zach1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you, Sensei.

[–]Terdmuffin3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This should be a main forum post, and in the side bar. I've been here a couple oe years and never thought about the exhaustion experienced from emotion/logic and how men and women experience them.

[–]2alpha-zach1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m honored.

[–]ThinSpiritual3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men-“if it works, do it” Women-“if it feels good do it” (or avoids bad feelings)

This is true to a large extent; there are women who think like men though.

In my own past encounters, I noticed that the more feminine women (ie. HB7+ hot chicks) are naturally better at emotional reasoning and manipulation; in fact, they are so natural at it I have to be constantly cognizant at identifying the sub-text in their words/behavior. It's exhausting and kills my attraction, I'd pass enough tests to get into their pants, but it ends there and sometimes I feel sad that they didn't meet my expectations.

In that past few months I developed a strong disliking for such traits and I now enjoy the company of more logically reasonable girls, even if they are less hot.

I guess that's the dichotomy right there, I can't find a hot and feminine chick who's also very logically reasonable (a "unicorn").

[–]xezhaw5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you have the link of Rollo's article?

[–]2alpha-zach3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s 4 parts. This link is to the first part which is an overview. At the bottom under ‘related’ you’ll see 3 more articles that explain the three processes in depth. I highly recommend all 4 articles.

https://therationalmale.com/2018/04/11/instinct-emotion-and-reason/

[–]Kpwn885 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women aren’t children.

[–]2alpha-zach9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know what you’re saying. It’s an important mentality. But it’s not factually accurate. Newbies need more explanation of why we say this. It doesn’t connect well to the freshly unplugged.

Especially OP.

[–]Aestheticcunt19962 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wow, we have a maste right here. Great comment! (Srsly)

[–]2alpha-zach1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you sir

[–]KingMike19979 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yo, I have no idea how this has no upvotes. This is fucking genius.

[–]1jacques_cousteau00745 points46 points  (2 children) | Copy

Same reason you could end an argument with “BYE!!” right in their face, over and over again.

It’s your superpower.

[–]Shirye2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh yeah, and what happens when they follow your ass and continue talking while blocking your path so you can't exit?

[–]exit_sandman8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

castration != circumcision, but her reaction was still retarded.

[–]needletothebar10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

They're different forms of genital mutilation, sure.

[–]Vouch33r38 points39 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women are children. Children scream when they are powerless, this is their last resort.

[–]omega_dawg935 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

and like children, when they want relief and to create their own happiness, they play with toys (dildos, vibrators, bed posts, door knobs, cucumbers, etc.) but will criticize you for playing with toys (ignoring them).

[–]MardGeer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If I screamed, I'd been beaten badly. Kids get the worst of it lol at least we can't beat women.

[–]FlexGunship24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Another poster said "logic is exhausting for them" and I think this is closest to the truth.

I have a more subtle complaint. When my GF says something to me, or makes a claim, there's an expectation that I will immediately accept it and integrate it into my base of knowledge.

But there's plenty of shit that I can't just bite off all at once. "Hey, did you hear about that guy that ate a Zepplin and he could fart his way to Mars?"

"Uh. That doesn't sound right." (i.e. this doesn't fit with other facts I know... So either those other facts are wrong, or this new one is... Let's sort it out.)

"Why do you always have to question what I say? Why can't you just believe me?"

To be fair, there are plenty of times when she's right. But she doesn't support her argument at all. I think this is a female trait. "I said it, so it's true... If you disagree, then you think I'm a bad person and you hate me."

I get shit wrong routinely. Someone calls me out on a fact that doesn't make sense, I see if I can refute it, but usually end up "uh, fuck, you're right... So what the hell did I read?"

But, I think, women can hold all facts separately in their head. Conflicting things can be true at the same time. Their worldview is a patchwork of contradictions and it doesn't bother them at all.

It's also a trait of lefty males. "Gender is a construct and an illusion, but you need more women in the workplace." "There's no difference between men and women, but transgenderism is a very real thing."

You either learn to deal with this or you don't.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are emotional creatures, and they often aren't punished for misbehavior, nor taught restraint (particularly in the era a "Grrrrrl Power!")

Also, never bother arguing with a woman; it's a waste of time.

[–]NeuroMnemonic73 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find it interesting that while you're asking about the lack of logic in women, you can't find a logical answer to your question. They basically get emotionally overwhelmed, no one likes being wrong and most people deal with it by getting upset. Women being more emotional tend to scream and yell when frustrated more often than men. You also have to look at variables, when people feel like they aren't being heard the natural tendency is to get louder, they want to be understood. There's also cases where people, in this case women, are so spoiled that they just want their way, and so they tend to get irritating to make the other person give in or give up.

[–]Melanoma_man3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because they’re mentally still adolescent

[–]Rosace_899 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

' don't shatter my fragile worldview and values on which i'm build and incapable of questionning because my "sanity" depends on it '

there OP

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why do women always resort to yelling when they've been shut down by logic, something they are incapable of?

Because it works.

The man confronted his sister about her logic and she immediately began to scream at him and cut off contact with him.

People are illogical and will go to extreme lengths to prove they are right, winning in literally any way they can - even if completely and utterly illogical.

Admitting you've mutilated your son is a step too far for people devoid of responsibility.

While the screaming and removal from ones life really sucks, it's a fast way to remove morons from your life.

Also: don't argue or use logic with women, it's pointless.

[–]Kabuki4314 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to work in car business and heard this everyday multiple times a day.

MAN: do the numbers make sense to you hunny ?

WOMAN: Oh i love the car

Man: SMH

[–]mineralranch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone who resorts to screaming is showing you that they lack self-control. Self-control is one of the qualities that primarily distinguishes adults from children. If someone is easily provoked, over-indulgent, or resorts to violence when the situation doesn't warrant it, they're an immature person that isn't worth bothering with. Over-reactivity is found in both men and women, but let's be honest, women are more likely to freak out over little things.

[–]needoptionsnow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anger problems

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It works.

Just laugh and stay calm.

[–]aanarchist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just an emotional tantrum due to cognitive dissonance, it's indoctrination at best that results in them saying one thing and doing another. Angry unstable women are always dishonest, they're always hiding something.

[–]AnyDoughnut1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women and logic should never be used in the same sentence.

[–]C4scop411 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yet you did...



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