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Cheating advise. Giving not asking.

stacysmomlovesme · 2017-10-17T00:03:20+00:00

It's the cellphone that gives away most adulterers. Hiding the phone and using passcodes to keep away prying eyes. Don't do that. Leave phone...

stacysmomlovesme

October 17, 2017

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Title	Cheating advise. Giving not asking.
Author	stacysmomlovesme
Upvotes	2
Comments	39
Date	October 17, 2017 12:03 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MarriedRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/76uqzg/cheating_advise_giving_not_asking/
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good points

better, be of high value- Me: You’re right; there is a lot of irony in our marriage. I also find a lot of irony that in the same time period that you had an affair with coworker he was my age and Charlene is your age at the time. Wife: It’s not the same thing, I never had sex with him. Me: You lied to me when I brought it to your attention two years ago; and I don’t believe you now. It doesn’t matter either way, I did what I did because you behave as though you don’t want to be my wife a lot of time. Wife: If that is how you view it than that is how it is. (She is referring to the affair here, and was an intriguing projection of solipsism . . . I feel it and therefore it is) Me: If you want to move forward, you need to move past me hurting you back then and now. I then reiterated the vision going forward. Her: I can’t blame you and I want to forgive you and, then he blows it being a fucking tampon

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[–]ReddJive 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

be a man and be honest.

I've been seeing this a lot.

So, high speed, explain. What this amounts to is projecting your morals on others so put up or shut up on this topic. I dare you to try to do it without moralization. I do hope the mods allow a little leeway on this so we can give the boy a chance. There is merit here but I don't think he has the clarity of thought to make it a worthy Red Pill topic.

Because I don't think it can be done...without the moralizing. in fact I know it can't be done. And remember to use your precious logic and reason. Better hope there isn't a member here who as an advanced degree in philosophy and logic. Be absolutely sure to highlight the premise of your argument, with evidence and conclusions.

It's true. RP is full of angry kids and men that haven't fully actualized that use the principles we talk about to do nothing more then get sex. We can't control any one nor do we really want to. So I am not really sure how "keeping you word" can be used. Aren't we just shaming again? RP makes no bones about these boys. There will be casualties in war and very few men come to terms with the RP thought early enough in life. They still equate success to be sex, money, and being fit. And there are a large number of ou grown up boy who also do this. These things we easily the things a man can improve upon but they alone do not make up a RP life. I've can't stress enough the powerful men in the world I have met that are no more alpha. They have no control over their life.

There are men here who jump the gun. Who see men who have made their "logical decisions" and think. Fuck yeah an affair. What they don't realize is that

Sex is pretty damn easy to come by. Women are giving it way (I am sure you didn't know but it's a basic RP tenant...it's what makes it work).
That just because you can have an affair, have 5 plates, doesn't mean you are RP in thought. What it means that you are a horny child that can't control his base needs and desires. But we don't control them. We can't. So go fuck bitches and come back...then you will see. TRP is full of these boys. They ask simplistic questions though claiming to have a plate when really they have a oneititis GF. Or just had a ONS and are being played themselves.

So go ahead. Prove me wrong. Show me how keeping my word is the quintessential aspect to being a man.

[–]SimilarSalvation 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is indeed a very difficult challenge and chance is I won't be able to give you a straight answer, but here goes.

Disclaimer: English is not my native language and I did already found out that writing my thoughts coherently in another tongue is even more difficult than in my native...

Disclaimer: I don't try to be on higher moral grounds than others. In fact, I still have a long way to go in MRP before I can call myself unplugged. I do agree that my reaction could be seen as condescending and moralizing, but that is not what I was aiming for.

Frame

As Glover writes, one of the key characteristics of a Nice guy, is lying.

Ironically, Nice Guys are fundamentally dishonest. Nice Guys will tell lies, partial truths, and omit information if they believe it will prevent someone from focusing on them in a negative way. [..] Since dishonesty is a fear-based behavior, telling lies and withholding the truth robs Nice Guys of their personal power.

Lying means you have no frame, that you put yourself in her frame, in her narrative. You are afraid of her reaction and you want to avoid the confrontation. By doing so, you negate your masculinity, your urges and and your true self.

MRP teaches that we are not responsible for the feelings of others, that we have to be selfish (in a positive way) and that we have to be OI. Whatever your reasons are for having sex with someone besides your LTR (and who are we to judge those reasons?), if you don't tell her because you want to spare her feelings, because you are ashamed or because you afraid to lose her, (oneitis) you are basically operating against some core values of MRP and not in your own frame.

Being honest has little to do with her. You don't owe her the truth, you don't owe her an explanation, you don't owe her anything. But if you want to grow as a person, if you want personal power (~ Glover), if you want to get rid of your toxic shame, if you really want to be OI, then you have to be honest. Not with her, but with yourself. And that means: man up and tell her the truth.

Chances are she will not want to continue to see you. And you will have to respect that decision, as she will have to respect your decision that one pussy is not enough. But if you cheat, if you are dishonest, you throw away everything you worked hard for: you throw away your frame.

Sure MRP is about sexual strategy. But even in war not all is fair, and so is in love. Lying/cheating to get your dick wet is hiding behind lame excuses because you are not yet fully unplugged, because your frame is not yet fully established, because you are not a finished man yet.

[–]ReddJive 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are moralizing and using Frame to justify your premise.

Simple fact is this is amoral. Consider Alpha to be range of behaviors. Rollo talks of this in fact he doesn't consider himself to be to the right of these behaviors. He considers himself far less then that.

On the right are Alphas who are in fact utterly criminal in their pursuit of their goals and yet they do get women, money, and power. They may not live long because of their lifestyle but they are in control of every aspect of what they do. They are alpha. No denying it. Does that mean that the RP praxeology agrees with this? no other then they are making their decisions and living their life.

As one travels further down the track of alpha traits we find to one degree or there other what an alpha is. Again the one defining trait is to make your decisions as you see it for your self.

No one said having affair or plating is quintessential to being alpha or declared APPROVED. There are flared men here that have not and will not but their decisions are their own. Just as the men that decide that this is their track.

There may be some truth to lying and following what NMMNG lays out but there are components of that book that are BP in nature, such as talking out your feelings. But also consider, since you are not American, that the laws where you are from may not villianize men in divorce. Some areas it does which also points out your moralization.

Men make their decisions and they accept the consequences of them.

Lying/cheating to get your dick wet is hiding behind lame excuses because you are not yet fully unplugged, because your frame is not yet fully established, because you are not a finished man yet.

MRP does not endorse this. AT all. This is moralization that indigent boys come in here and see. First the manosphere is a locker room. We speak plain and harsh. There's a reason but it's lost on those that are weak willed...ie no frame because if strangers on the internet can make you upset....you got issues.

TRP does endorse this, yet they also believe that married men are lost and cannot hope to achieve true ideals of RP. Ok. That's one way of looking at it but MRP was created for men who have made that decision and instead of dying and living a miserable existence they have a chance to change things. For the better.

Yes there are men here that regularly ignore our advice and go bang bitches, well of a head of anything else. but it always leads to trouble. If you haven't fixed yourself then your next girl is going to react the same. Your relationship is a reflection of you.

What you and those over at real alpha have done is taken one piece of the praxeology and for some reason taken exception to it. Then decided a moralistic campaign was in order. They did no research. Just decided to judge.

I once did the same. I said no way. But then as I continued and I saw how my shrew reacted. The veil lifted and understood her motivations the things she did and said. I began to understand.

We all come here for the same reasons. We all learn the same things. The circumstances of our situation are all different, and each must learn how to navigate those. Yet....the end is the same.

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