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JV at the Varsity Tryout

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June 20, 2018

First post was STFU and Clean... that's what I've been doing. Since Sunday I've been working, cleaning the house, building shit, lifting (already a habit), finished NMMNG..accomplished a lot more than even I thought possible.

Fiance is on the rag last week and into this week. Been initiating and either AA or AM when I get shot down. I just want a BJ but she's not having it. I used to get pissed after the 3rd rejection in a row but this time around I just go about my business very un-butthurt..whistling, play with the dog, whatever but generally try to distance myself from her physically. Always nice and positive if she comes to me later on.

Anyways last night got home she was on the couch watching useless tv, I said hi quick kiss, did my stuff, then started messing with her. She went to change into workout clothes and was pulling up her yoga pants in front of the mirror..great ass shot. I"m like hang on let me check you for spinal alignment and had her pull her pants back down and bend over..worked like a charm. she laughed and whatever. down the hall I picked her up on a half wall and started kissing her and dropped my pants down and joked around some more. She played with it a little bit but wasn't interested and "had to get to the gym". As she's leaving I'm working on something and she goes "if you're nice to me maybe I'll be nice to you later" OLD me would have melted and been all about it. THIS time I'm standing above her on a ladder (dominate body language) and say "I don't need to be nice to you" smirk and a kiss. Here I'm thinking I kino'd well got her tingles going to hit me up with the BJ later.

Gets back from gym, initiate after a while, and get shut down. Her: "I need to paint my nails, get my clothes ready for tomorrow, blah, blah, all you want is sex...there is no conversation you just attack." I don't bring up her previous "promise" like the old me but but but you said you said...i just reply "Lions just attack baby" Laugh and then leave the room to go read.

She does her business then comes to me and "all you want is sex lately, and you're not telling me things, and you just want physical nothing emotional, we haven't had a conversation, why can't you just hang out with me, I'm on my period gates are closed, you could've reminded me your friend was coming tonight, now i know why you cleaned (i literally forget he was staying with us until that morning and had no effect on me cleaning)" all BS (except the gates being closed, she forgets there's more than one gate to that yard). Anyway I'm literally smirking through this whole thing and just keep my mouth shut ...again old me would have explained all the shit I did and the conversations we had but I just STFU and actually laugh...then go give her a hug when she's done. (assumed comfort test and didn't want to look like a retard because I couldn't think of anything to say without DEERing)

Leave to go pick up my buddy from the airport get the text "Sorry I'm being a bitch, i just feel like things are off. Maybe I'm just out of it or something" some time later I just replied "must've been the pork" (she was complaining after dinner that the pork made her stomach feel weird) Get home with my buddy and his wife around midnight, she's asleep i go to bed.

Was my comfort assumption correct? Text response seemed to me as holding frame? can't do much about the rejection but solider on.

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Title JV at the Varsity Tryout
Author mtwinemn
Upvotes 6
Comments 38
Date 20 June 2018 01:32 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]InChargeManRed Beret12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

Here I'm thinking I kino'd well got her tingles going to hit me up with the BJ later.

You are still in her frame. You are seeing this like a video game where if you press the buttons in the right way you'll unlock the BJ. I understand where it comes from, at first MRP seems like a cheat code. This is made worse by the fact that MRP noob gains exist, where your wife might see some new behaviors and her interest is piqued, then guys come on with posts like "this shit really works!!!". That is temporary.

At no point during the day do I ever think "If I do X she will have sex with me later." Not once. I do X because I want to do X. I fuck because I want to fuck. Connecting these two things is building a bridge of her frame for you to live under.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

I agree with everything you said here.

But In a way though, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with viewing it as a game. It definitely is. While MRP saved my marriage and basically life, it is a cheat code.

I’m a slick SOB and like playing around with psychology. I’ll play the DEVI model like a cheat code. I’ll tell her her lips are sexy, tell her stories, etc... and get the BJ. It’s like seeing the code in the matrix.

Just saying while it’s important to remain stoic and live your life, I still play the Game everyday with her. Nothing wrong with that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’m with you. It’s a fun game to play as long as you’re completely OI through it all. But I don’t “play” or use the cheat code to “win” a BJ. I do it because the act of doing so in and of itself is entertaining and enjoyable for me.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. Newbies need to be careful to make that distinction.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or even more so don't get stuck in a trap where you think you are RP but you are really BP doing things completely within her frame.

Getting mad that she rejected you, mysteriously going "out" to "show her", then coming home to a wife that throws you a BJ while she is re-calibrating her control tactics is the siren song of RP noob gains.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For sure, the underlying psychology is extremely interesting to me as well, always has been, even before RP. I used to stage tests just to see how women would react then observe like freaking Jane Goodall. But I think the important differentiation is that you are not vested in the outcome. As I said, I do X because I want to do X, I fuck because I want to fuck.

[–]mtwinemn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Amen. cheat code reference is dead on

[–]youcantdenythat4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

You may want to rethink marrying this chick. Not saying you should kick her to the curb just yet, but it's often more difficult to fix a dead bedroom then it is to find a new chick and start things off on the right path.

[–]wkndatbernardus0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Exactly. Her lack of interest in sex with you is a yuge red flag. Also, sounds like you're living together...another bad move in your part. No wonder she doesn't want to bang, you have created zero mystery and dread.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Moving in with her, you've created 100% commitment without training her to share intimacy. In fact, you've trained her that she gets your commitment and attention while withholding intimacy. It is pretty obvious that your sexual needs mean nothing to her.

[–]wkndatbernardus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, setting the boudries (cause and effect) with women is crucial to getting your, and by extension her, needs met. Believe me, she doesn't want some easygoing, placating bitch. She wants a dude that charts the course and demands she get in line.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Read up on DEVI from The Sex God Method. I would focus more on the EV and I for right now. Once you get her panties off regularly, start subtly adding the D (pun intended). Your chick will have a hard time resisting dominate behavior when you are inside her. Over the course of several weeks/months, increase the intensity of D when fucking her. I have found that once my chick started regularly submitting to me in the bedroom, she was much more likely to follow my lead in other areas of our lives.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

“I have found that once my chick started regularly submitting to me in the bedroom, she was much more likely to follow my lead in other areas of our lives.”


[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Skip your question. You're doing a crude, but decent dgaf... Focus on internalizing that, instead of tests.

Oh, and

All that talk was just that, her processing a lack of emotional attraction. Push and pull those flirts commensurate with her responsiveness l, keep lifting.

[–]mtwinemn[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

read through that link and feminine mystique...can you expand your comments further. I'm missing something. All that talk was just talk (hamster spinning) over me not being as emotionally available as I normally have been. I get that part..let it spin itself out.

What are you saying with the push and pull? And is Rollo's point that you need to focus on what women do not what they say? So in this case she said she felt all this nonsense but in reality just sat on the couch in a pitty party (the real message)

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Push/pull is the basics of Game. Cat string theory. If you dangle a string in front of a cat it will play with it for a second...but then stops because it’s bored. There’s no more challenge to it. If you move the string away, it will chase it again. Move it too fast, it won’t chase it. There’s a balance of pushing and pulling the string- towards and away- from the cat to create the attraction it needs to chase it.

Push/pull creates attraction.

Read the sidebar. I also wrote a post on Attraction 101.

“Watch what she does, not what she says”:

Basically means that her words are just excuses - generated from the hamster- that she is trying to use to cover how she actually feelz.

If a chick in your bed says “I fucking hate you", but if she actually wants to be there and sleep with you, then she actually means “i hate that you turn me on to an uncontrollable level”. If there is an incongruence between her words and actions/body (I hate you but she is physically in YOUR bed) then always trust her actions/body. Not her words.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Check out the mystery Method post on the sidebar for push/pull

And yes, ignore what she says, watch what she does

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It sounds to me like she went to the gym, saw men she was actually attracted to, then came home and was reminded why she won't give you sex.

[–]mtwinemn[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol probably. man why didn't I see that by letting her leave the house increases the probability of her seeing, talking to, or interacting with another man (human). should have kept her locked in the basement. useful stuff here champ.

She can bounce at any time. My life will go on.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, still thinking about her, not about you...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that's because when you're a hammer, all you see are nails

[–]RedPillCoach2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fiance is on the rag last week and into this week. Been initiating and either AA or AM when I get shot down.

Broh, your FIANCE is turning you down. Before the wedding. There are not enough Red Flags in all of Moscow and Beijing for that. You are having transactional sex with a person you did not even marry. Nobody knows how that will turn out but we can promise this: Whatever sex you are getting now you can cut it by about 90% after the vows. Whatever games and control power she is playing now will be 10 times worse after the wedding.


all you want is sex...there is no conversation you just attack

Or you could learn how to read your woman's cues of interest and disinterest and start initiating better.

we haven't had a conversation, why can't you just hang out with me

Very valid questions. What is your answer?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is interesting how so many non-married men end up here and don’t recognize how being here is itself a sign of trouble. I wish I had known about RP before I got married, but then again I had no reason to need it then. The game didn’t change for me until after kids. OP definitely needs to give this some serious thought.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Emotional masturbation is not a requirement to have sex in a relationship. Women should be rewarded with attention and affection after sex. If a woman withdraws intimacy, attention should be withdrawn.

Acta non verba.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re doing well. It was a mild comfort test in my opinion. I get the “something’s off” comment from my wife from time to time and it’s usually a result of me being too available. You’ll probably get a lot of “you’re not attractive enough yet” comments, but I think it’s more about dread and your attention being too easily acquired that she’s taking it for granted.

[–]mtwinemn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea working on first level dread just going about my business as I see fit. Always replying that I'm busy and got shit to do..which is fact. Not the same orbiter, let her know I'm about to inhale and then exhale, from a few weeks ago so you're right; to her something is off.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, You're doing great dude.

Get out your head. Don’t get sucked into the hamster. She’s putting out now and needs to feelz a little comfort.

[–]nastynickdrRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Was my comfort assumption correct?

If you are a beginner and have been a spineless beta for years on, you can assume everything as shit tests. Comfort from a weak fatass beta means shit to her. Theres a post about that somewhere, cant find it right now but use the search. And judging from the quantity of "yous" she throws in, yeah, shit test.

Whatever you did is better than DEERing. Just remember this is a marathon. She´ll want to fuck you when she wants to fuck you, words that come out from your mouth wont change that. She can find excuses to not fuck you as she can find excuses to fuck you.

[–]mtwinemn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed on marathon. Love bj's as much as the next guy but more focused on getting the respect and alpha baseline established the rest will take care of it's self. Being more DGAF and getting shit done for myself because I want it that way is already shocking her system. Gotta take it slow and avoid the DEER at all costs...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Lions just attack baby"

yes they do

and i think you did pretty damn great here. she's lagging behind, but keep this up and she'll come around.

also go fuck other girls

[–]screechhaterRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

you are not getting the remove your presence, or conditioning her with your availability or lack there in

I literally can be sitting right next to my wife, but completely unavailable


If you think for a moment she cannot sniff you out trying to do all this work for sex, you are wrong

After a while cohabitating with a bitch in blue pill form, you can produce the desert waves of dryness, therefore, until you fix you, your attractiveness is way down and on the list of her things to do, you become a fucking chorre

Climbing up and out of the sahara abyss is a long journey, and can be brutal, until you throw caution to the wind, and break the shackles of oneitis and lack of abundance

I have a bitch or three @ the ready to drop constantly.

In the context of living your life through a red lense, get her off the pedastal

[–]ImSteveMcQueen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you think for a moment she cannot sniff you out trying to do all this work for sex, you are wrong

^^ This, plus all the initiating he is doing... she knows he is still her little beta boy.

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When your only tool is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail.

Since you’re so focused on sex and she doesn’t feel like having sex with you, the rejections will continue. You aren’t worth easy sex or quick BJ’s at this point. Maybe put in the work and you turn this ship around. At the moment, if this is your routine, that looks marginal.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

"cleaning the house". Why are you cleaning the house ? She clearly thought it was ploy to earn sex. This is exactly what you don't want to do. She needs to learn to share sex with you because she enjoys your closeness. Not because you earned it for doing something. That is covert as hell.

"Since Sunday" So you've been BP with this woman since forever, you change your behavior for 4 (?) days and you expect her to recalibrate her behaviour in response to this ? Not a chance ! Ever heard of the 1000 foot rope between her boat and yours ?

How many times did you initiate with her ? Can you say needy ? Wanna get her attention ? Pull back. Make yourself scarce and mysterious. Build your value. Build your frame. Let her desire build. Stoke her fire with light flirtation. She'll let you know when she is ready. Women control intimacy, men control commitment. Stop asking. Stop begging.

[–]mtwinemn[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Dude. I was giving some backstory a little context to the night. Literally my last sentence was can’t do anything about rejection. I’m more concerned with the shit test and comfort test. Getting those right. I’m cleaning because I want a clean house. I’ve been beta for a long as time. I didn’t clean to get fucked. I cleaned because I want the shit organized and I’m not in a position to just start bossing her around. Obviously.

I’ve got a chick in the house I’m going to try for sex. The point was to add context. She came at me with all the emotions and being new i don’t want to get sucked into them. Im establishing frame that’s my priority.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your backstory tells me more than your fore story. You are trying way too hard and it makes you look needy.

Stop hanging around the house. Make yourself scarce. Pull back. Build a life WITHOUT her. That is when she will want to be part of YOUR life, rather than having you chase her around to be part of HER life.

[–]mtwinemn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Will be checking out that post

[–]mtwinemn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see your point.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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