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Guys, who thought of marriage, should read this. Hedge-fund manager wife wants to void prenup, as she was 'rushed' to sign.

vietvi
September 3, 2014
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Title Guys, who thought of marriage, should read this. Hedge-fund manager wife wants to void prenup, as she was 'rushed' to sign.
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vietvi
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Date September 3, 2014 7:20 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

OMG NOOOOO, she will ONLY receive 50 million dollars.

Won't somebody PLEASE save this beautiful unicorn from the patriarchy system of oppression and rape?

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmmm. Anyone else out there in the private equity industry wondering why she is worried at all about money, if indeed she too is running a hedge fund? /arched eyebrow

Because surely her ROI is the same as his, right? And her being an independent woman of talent and skill, she is able to parlay her business into big money.

And surely--surely!--she has had the sort of success in the profession that makes her indifferent to what his wealth increase has been over the past 11 years of marriage. Surely.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was very rushed when I signed my lease agreement on my new apartment. The leasing company told me that the apartment was being shown to multiple other potential tenants and that I'd need to sign the lease quick to lock it up. In retrospect, I'd like the lease agreement thrown out....I was obviously coerced!

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Not only did he make the mistake of marrying, he also married a post-wall hamster. If the former isn't enough for you the second one definetly is a no-no.

LOL at "I didn't want to sign that prenup". Next time it's "He blackmailed me by saying he wouldn't marry me if wouldn't sign the prenup."

Dias-Griffin is now seeking equitable division of their assets and sole custody of their children, the Crain's report said, citing the filing.

Aaah. The good ol' divorce-rape plus stealing the kids and preparing him for blackmailing with the visiting hours.

[–]Meglomaniac 32 points33 points34 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"He blackmailed me by saying he wouldn't marry me if wouldn't sign the prenup."

Isnt that the whole point to having a prenup?

[–]1AreYouAware_ 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Funny that her definition of equitable does not include the ~$50MM she brought into the marriage, and she needs $2.75 billion + maintenance.

I mean, how can you expect anyone to survive on a paltry 50 million?

[–]krakosia 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she must want a heck of a lot of extra cheese with her burgers.

[–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Blackmail and coercion are not the same thing.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

coercion

Had to look that up in the English-to-German dictionary. Thanks for teaching me a new english word, although nitpicking isn't exactly my cup of tea.

[–]anonlymouse -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In diesem fall war die Bedeutung klar, aber sie wird nicht immer selbsverständlich sein, und Verwirrung ist möglich - pingelig ist es eigentlich nicht.

[–]krakosia 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

got to the end of the article - 5.5 billion net worth O__O

[–]Position5hero 30 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

This isn't a new devolpment.

Any good divorce lawyer can shred a pre nup.

There are 100 diffrent paths they can take they will find one that sticks

A pre nup is just a false sense of security

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Prenups are not as vulnerable as some people believe. It's confirmation bias: you only ever hear about the ones that are challenged or the ones that fail.

Also keep in mind that she's only challenging the prenup, it hasn't been voided by a court. One might choose to challenge a prenup even if you have very little ground to stand on legally, because it gives you leverage in negotiations. "Give me an extra couple percent and I'll drop the issue." When you're talking about billions of dollars of assets, challenging the prenup is almost always the correct move: even a small concession will easily cover the cost of a lawyer.

That said, the lawyer could have, and should have, done a better job. Having her sign the prenup so close in time to the marriage is obviously a bad idea, any lawyer should know that. http://www.kohtzlaw.com/prenuptial-agreement.html

I'm sure somebody will mention that the woman can simply lie her way out of everything. This is simply untrue as long as the lawyer does his job right and everything is documented. If it's your word against hers, and you have video evidence while she has nothing, you'll win no matter how "biased" you think the justice system is.

[–][deleted] 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]xxTin 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it means that if the wife is rich enough to support herself after divorce, and she waived right to claim alimony when singing prenup, then he would be clear.

I think the only things that can't not be negotiated in prenup is child custody and child support.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There's a good chance of that, yes, although it will probably vary tremendously by state.

Prenups aren't meant to leave the woman with nothing. They're simply there to give you a better deal than you would have gotten from going through a divorce without one.

[–]4io8 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It sounds like they are helpful if you are wealthy but not complete firewalls. And it never gets you out of basically being her social security option. Which is a big problem for guys who dont have much money to start with and who are also more likely to marry women who will need social security. Especially in this economy.

[–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which still means most men are better off not marrying/cohabiting under the current laws; keeps a woman on her toes and better behaved because she knows at some level you can just take off.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're simply there to give you a better deal than you would have gotten from going through a divorce without one.

Fraud x fraud = you still lose (especially if cash or children are in play)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This suggests to me the optimal route for most men (optimal is not really the word, since they did choose to get married, but anyway) is to include in the prenup that she will get a 3-6 spousal support in the event that she is unemployed, and after that reasonable time period for her to find a job, the spousal support ends. Include a clause that gives her a decent stipend for living / income for a short time period and then cuts off. I have no idea if that actually works out more in practice, but it seems like putting the onus on her to bring the suit back up after 3-6 months to elongate the spousal support and prove she cannot find employment is much harder for her.

We need to get some lawyers up in here who have experience winning divorce cases (winning as in, relative to what men can expect in this shithole).

[–]sir_wankalot_here 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is for the same reason why over 90% of criminal cases end with the accused plea bargianing and pleadig guilty, even they are innocent.

That is why when talking to cops, you are always firm but polite. Otherwise that pencil you are holding in your hand might turn into assualt with a deadly weapon. When he was putting the cuffs on you, and your face slammed in the ground, and he put his boot on the back of your neck. That all of a sudden is resisting arrest. While you where in the cuffs, you mouthing him off and calling a pig, why you where attempting to escape. Unfortunate why you decided to do this ontop of a set of stairs.

Ofcourse if you have enough money and a good lawyer you can fight all of the above allegations, and probably win compensation for police brutality. Most lawyers like cops are not your friends, they don't want to go up against the system.

[–]Clauderoughly 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is why when talking to cops, you are always firm but polite.

YOU NEVER TALK TO THE COPS !

[–]sir_wankalot_here 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is an excellent video. By firm but polite do what it says in the video and don't mouth off cops. A cop if you piss him off can find any reason to bust you for something. But usually they go after easier meat.

[–]trplurker 6 points6 points6 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There are not 100's of different paths to violate one, there are only a couple that are often forgotten.

1: Prenups can never determine child support or child custody, anything pertaining to children, current or future, will be grounds to get it tossed out.

2: Prenups require both parties be adequately informed. This has been determined to mean that each party needs separate legal advice from their own lawyer. You can't use one lawyer, that you paid for, to provide advice for both of you as she can claim the lawyer misled her. She needs her own separate legal counsel that she pays for. This also means you need to fully disclose your financial assets to her prior to her signing the prenup, if you hide some or don't tell her about your true worth then she can claim she was misled and get it violated.

3: Both parties need adequate time to consider the legal ramifications prior to signing the document. This doesn't mean time between signing and the marriage but time between seeking legal counsel and signing, so her claim in the article won't mean shit in court.

4: The agreement can not leave one party destitute, though this is often not seriously applied to the male unfortunately.

So basically you need to seek legal counsel and have it drafted, then present it to her and then she needs to seek legal counsel. If she refuse's to seek legal counsel then you refuse to marry her plain and simple. After her seeking legal counsel, you both plan a time for both of you and your lawyers to meet up and discuss the document. You'll both negotiate over it, don't get emotional and eventually an agreement will be had. You both sign it with the lawyers being witness. Then you can go see the judge for the marriage license.

It's not cheap but will save a ton of cash in the case of eventual divorce, and it'll even prolong the marriage as it removes the incentive for her to jump ship.

And in all cases, seek legal counsel of a lawyer with a solid reputation for making prenups that have held up to challenges in court. They will best be able to advice you for your particular state, country and legal situation.

[–]myprimetime1 points 11 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

it's not like these guys write the prenups on a paper napkin...they always have lawyers writing these up...my question is...wtf was the lawyer doing that he didn't know all of that?

[–]trplurker1 points 11 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude you'd be amazed when you see what people throw together. The worst is that people often "value shop" for stuff like this and will get a paralegal or a newly licensed attorney to throw one together. Then go home and get fiance to sign it, and somehow think it'll hold water in court. You don't actually need a lawyer to create a contract, but without one the chances of you doing it right are nonexistent.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is also that lawyers know how to get clients. If I claim that for a higher price, I'll be able to help you draft a prenup that keeps 70% of your wealth post-divorce, you won't choose me. If I say for a lower price I'll draft you up a contract that will let you keep 95% of your wealth, you'll think "of course, why the hell would I pay the other guy."

[–]texx77 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea except for we are talking about Ken Griffin here, who runs one of the worlds largest hedge funds and is worth about $5 billion.

One would hope that his lawyers were well-paid and competent enough to avoid all of this.

[–]Position5hero 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Her lawyers will be good too. That said, it doesn't matter how good the lawyer is if the court is rigged

[–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Prenups are useless. Just don't get married.

[–]PlusGoody 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They aren't useless. They're very useful and if done right are routinely enforced. Prenups that break every rule of prenup are worthless -- like ones you drop the week before the ceremony.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In other words, they are not a guarantee unless done correctly, and even then. Too many people hold the fantasy that a pre-nup is an impregnable defense.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to state it for the record: This is where misogyny comes from.

[–]rotten777 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So if she's rushed when she's running her hedge fund and signs a contract, do they make those null and void? Incredible....

[–]john1443 6 points6 points6 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It makes me cringe everytime I read something about marriage in the US. Which man in his right mind ---fully understanding what a marriage in the US entails---would agree to do it? I mean, seriously! I am not being sarcastic. If anyone could give me a somewhat rational narrative, I'd be happy.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're rubbing shoulders with the "old guard" in the upper echelons of society then you do need to be married. Otherwise there's a stigma, you're not pulling your weight, a mere boy still with no anchor in any harbor, niether here nor there... not a team player... never paid your dues at the altar... The list goes on.

That's how the patriarchy always used to gently nudge the "independent bachelor of means" to become a family man. Nobody cared if she's just for show and you're fucking 2 different mistresses on the side while she's getting ploughed by the pool boy and blowing your cash on bullshit, gotta put up that respectable front or else where would the world be today? Now we know exactly where.

[–]watersign 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup...especially in finance, him being a single bachelor would make him look like a fool/fag to his investors

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you seen the departed? If not, look up Alec Baldwin's character's speech on marriage to Matt Damon's character. Its a very cynical view of why marriage can be necessary.

[–]iSnORtcHuNkz69 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So she has her own company and money but still wants party of the husband's 5.5 billion. Sounds normal for a girl to do that

[–]ModAerobus 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lesson learned: If you do get married, make her sign the prenup earlier than 3 hours before the wedding.

Better lesson learned: Don't get married.

[–]Kalidane 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The marriage agreement was predicated on the valid prenup agreement. If the prenup is voided then the marriage should be annulled.

But back to reality...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The hamster is strong on this one.

[–]Frozen_Tundra 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The simple answer to this problem?

When you give her the ring to be engaged, wrap it in the prenup.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No mention of the allegedly bone-headed move by Mr. Griffin to put this thing on her at the last minute.

As they say, anything worth doing is worth doing right.

[–]watersign 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

doubt he did it last minute..hes smart...whip smart...this sounds like BS

[–]mainst 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because he had success with investing doesn't mean he knows everything.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No doubt he thought he was being clever. I'm confident that he thought he had a loophole figured out where he could slip this prenup in.

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