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Another tech company bites the dust. Github falls victim to the "Lean In" feminist agenda as it puts co-founder on leave and begins its investigation. When will the madness end? Why do we continue to see great men fall prey to the matriarchy?

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Title Another tech company bites the dust. Github falls victim to the "Lean In" feminist agenda as it puts co-founder on leave and begins its investigation. When will the madness end? Why do we continue to see great men fall prey to the matriarchy?
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Date March 17, 2014 6:34 AM UTC
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[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The short version: another cat fight between two bitches - a female employee and the wife of a founder - is allowed to get way out of hand because they drench in a sea of beta men who act like a catalyst.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Anyone reading more into this is a damn idiot. Women love to hide their beefs in a sea of emotions and higher purposes, but anyone who reads past this for more than sheer entertainment value is wasting their time. Either homegirl tried to gun for that number one spot, so to speak, or the wife of the founder thought that her husband was just dying to cheat and homegirl was just the lucky contestant. No matter what, the rest is BS.

[–]SigmaMu 53 points54 points55 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

The final straw for Horvath came when she saw men gawking at women who were hula-hooping at the office. She called the episode “a really ugly and inappropriate scene.” Her words:

Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to male coworkers, they didn’t see a problem with it. But for me it felt unsafe and to be honest, really embarrassing. That was the moment I decided to finally leave GitHub.

Hula hooping at the workplace, of course they wanted no attention at all. How dare those men, practically eye raping those poor defenceless womyn.

On a related note, Github already caved to feminists who were offended by a rug that had the word 'Meritocracy' on it. Not making this up.

[–]1independentmale 32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This Horvath bitch is a piece of work.

Her friends hula hooped at the office (who does that?), shaking their titties and gyrating their bodies in front of a bunch of men, and this bitch is all shocked and appalled that the men - gasp - watched?

Hey, here's an idea: If you don't want men watching you get jiggy wit it, don't shake your booty in front of them. "But I have the right to shake and grind like a tramp and not be gawked at!" No you don't. Not in public and sure as hell not in a male dominated space. GTFO.

This idiot is completely out of touch with reality. The part where she suggests this whole event was "unsafe" is insane. I'll bet she thinks the men were just going to snap at any moment, pin the girls down and gang rape them. In her mind, the filthy male pigs are always doing things like that.

[–]SigmaMu 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she thought it was unsafe because one of those hula hoops was going to knock over a lamp or something.

Just kidding, implied rape.

[–]7r1993rWarn1n9 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

On a related note, Github already caved to feminists who were offended by a rug that had the word 'Meritocracy' on it. Not making this up.

I love this. One of the main reasons why there's so much whining about sexism in the tech industry is because it's filled with supplicating betas who will bend over backwards for women (yeah, I know there are exceptions, but you know this describes the average programming nerd pretty well). Give an inch, they'll take a mile.

[–]Redpillc0re 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Entrepreneurs aren't dumb. If they were supplicating betas, they 'd hire women. But to my experience it's vanishingly rare to find a good female worker in IT. It's hard work which requires continuous self improvement, and there is little need for supporting roles (where women are good at), because all the supporting roles eventually get automated. Personally, i preferred it when my co-workers were all male.

This is all PR to avoid litigation. Deep down they know women are not interested to work there and they're fine with that.

[–]noblepaladin 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When she was hired, she was one of the few women (or only woman). She had everybody's attention because she was young, and everybody was willing to give her extra attention because she was a newbie that could benefit from the guidance.

Now, several years past, she is older. The company got a lot bigger so they have more employees now, many of them women. These women are younger and single. These women are the newbies now and people are giving them extra guidance and attention. She is a veteran now and is expected to fend for herself, so people don't give her special attention any more. And since she is older and in a more senior position, she can't be seen hula hooping around like the young girls.

What is the hamster going to do?

[–]Clauderoughly 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is the hamster going to do?

Explode ?

Yup. Definately explode.

[–]Torps 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

blows my fucking mind.. seriously. the power they have to twist things around in their favor. WOW.

[–]Clauderoughly 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

On a related note, Github already caved to feminists who were offended by a rug that had the word 'Meritocracy' on it.

Julie Ann Horvath is the woman who is the trouble maker in that instance, and is the trouble maker now.

As soon as the rug thing came up, I would have fired her feminist ass, because if you are petty enough to complain about a fucking RUG then you obviously have the wrong priorities

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That rug really tied the room together.

[–]HitlersCow 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists like Horvath worried that the word “meritocracy” glossed over the struggles of minorities trying to join the tech community.

"That word doesn't show how much of a victim I am and how hard life is for me."

[–]rztzz 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This basically sums things up.

Women, when they see a desirable man, an "alpha" although I hate that word, want to be seen as an object of desire.

Women don't want to be seen as an object of desire for the other 95% of men, unless they're feeling low or having a rough week and then they want the attention of at least 50% of men. And women never, ever want other women to be the object of men's desires. That would make them feel "unsafe". But by "unsafe" they really mean "unattractive" and "jealous".

Basically, women's feelings.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't get that way of thinking...at this rate it is a shitty idea for any company to hire a single woman. I mean if they bitch around like this the conclusion is: if you hire a woman you put your company's image in danger.

Self destruction at its finest...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Not really much of a choice once you get around 50 employees I believe. Then the government steps in to make sure that your workplace is the "diverse" utopia that it should be. That is when companies start hiring tokens and throwing them in the basement with busywork.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is why you should structure your company such that if you approach the 50 employee mark you create a shell corporation that the individuals work for which in turn works for your overall company.

The only purpose of the shell corporations is to be listed as employer and divvy out salaries. Thus keeping you from having to deal with Uncle Sam crying 'MISOGYNY!!!"

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[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IANAL so consult a real lawyer before taking this advice...

Basically my idea was you have a company which is basically command and control for everything else and every division underneath it would be it's own company on paper and have less than 50 employees each but work as one big unit... Basically following the letter of the law (by ensuring no company of yours has more than 50 employees) but destroying the spirit of the law (that big companies should be forced to hire women when it's not feasible just because they have a vagina).

Think if apple was broken up into dozens or hundreds of companies... You have an accounting division, an iPad division, an iPhone division an iMac division a tech support division for each of those devices, services, and each was it's own company on paper all contributing to the bottom line of the super-corporation that controls it all.

[–]fiat_lux_ 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's 15, not 50.

The govt doesn't actively monitor the company. It's just that they start to pay attention to complaints about diacrimination at that 15 threshold.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is scary.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you could outsource and make sure all of them are working in India where they can't complain about the carpet.

[–]analrapeage 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Let's see. She got into a fight with a cofounder, the dude's wife, as well as a coworker whose "advances" she rejected. Then complains about a moment which was no doubt lighthearted and involved women who had no problem with it. How was Horvath not fired?

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The nice thing about working as a woman in a male dominated field is that no matter how shitty of a worker you are, if you get fired, it's because of misogyny and the company has to get investigated.

[–]notseriouslyserious 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It usually takes years and a fucking huge paper trail worth of proofs of subpar performance to safely fire a female.

[–]ModAerobus 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Such equality.

[–]a_chill_bro 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

This is why it's so important to have frame control. Especially in a leadership role.

A leader who is well versed in game and understands the laws of power would have nipped this shit in the bud before it got out of control.

Edit:

Just listen to Chris Wanstrath (the Github co-founder in question) talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kceWAiZtoz8

Does this really surprise you?

[–]FortunateBum 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy God that guy is a super beta nerd. His wife plays him like a violin I guarantee.

[–]smallpoxinLA -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Horvath

Oh boy, I met a few guys exactly, I mean EXACTLY, like that during my PhD, like totally autistic, those guys are just crazy, think they are the dope, but the first girl coming around can manipulate them like they want.

[–]TorontoMike 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Having been in a few start ups her version of events sounds like bullshit and as if a child wrote it. A child who omits everything they done wrong from a story and these "bad people' were suddenly mean to her for "no reason".

I started to take apart her story bit by bit but it became a wall of text so i will just summarize.

If you continually write bad code other programmers have to fix , they will pull your work and write "aggressive" stuff and not respect your opinion, period the end. and it has nothing to do with your vagina . The pressure of a start up and trying to establish a company and a cashflow and roll out software , if Hitler wrote good code in between killing Jews I would have used it.

The Co-founders wife : is either insane ( if you believe Horvath ) or more likely Horvath was talking shit, stirring up shit in the office, and she talked to her and then had to become her "minder" sitting next to her so she did not cause more shit.

The Boyfriend HR "thing" again I think Horvath leaves off half the story ,( but includes a lot of her crying and shaking, so can't make heads or tails of it .

The "Rapey" engineer. Oh yeah men are just throwing themselves at you then destroy software when they can't have you , umm no. I think word got around that you were not going to be there long so engineer guy did not have to tolerate you or your shitty code any longer. Also works well for If you did such good and valuable work there, then where is all the code you wrote? Boo hoo a rapey engineer deleted it"*

The " Unsafe" Hulla hoop "like a stripclub" incident - nice touch makes it sound like a den of sex and sexism , plays nice for the ladies.

At our start up we used to order pizzas on Thursday and the graphic design guys would play hackey-sak on the lawn and we would watch. Little did I know that despite having girlfriends and wives we were all latent homosexuals feasting our eyes on the "man flesh" before us....

TL;DR - Most likely better programmers came in and she could not hack it, raised a stink in the office and has zero accountability or introspection because she, having a vagina, is as pure as driven snow and so it must be the patriarchy that caused all the problems , not her

[–]Areimanes 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you did such good and valuable work there, then where is all the code you wrote?

This is the main question that should be asked. If I was a CEO of a start-up, I couldn't give a rat's ass if a man or a woman wrote stellar code. Men get burned just as hard for being shitty programmers as women.

Source: friend of mine works as a programmer. It's a competitive environment, just like any other business. Eat or be eaten.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A rapey engineer ate her homework in college, I bet

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]HitlersCow 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Really?

I mean at first I was thinking "OK guys yeah, she was probably a shitty programmer, but I think we've got some confirmation bias going on here."

Then wait, she's an English major writing code...And creative writing at that! I guess that's where she came up with her narrative of abuse.

[–]1whatsazipper 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are not going to write a story that incriminates themselves.

[–]karneadou[S] 29 points30 points31 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why did Horvath work for GitHub? She “loved the idea of GitHub because it was the place people went to make things for people who make things.”

Let me ride on the coat tails of man's creation and creativity. I can devour more resources in my quest for happiness and tingles.

In light of that, Horvath told us that she “participated in the boys’ club upon joining,” but when her “character started being discussed in inappropriate places like on pull requests and issues,” the situation changed.

"Boys Club". Now Github is in deep shit. Women always look to invade man's space with the ultimate goal of destruction. Ah but the "boy's club" did not succumb to her special character and beliefs. Who are they, the founders and creators, to have the audacity to build a corporate culture that is not in alignment with her special snowflake.

In short, Horvath said that she felt she was being treated differently internally simply due to her gender and not the quality of her work. She calls her colleagues’ response to her own work and the work of other female GitHub employees a “serious problem.” Despite GitHub hiring more female developers, Horvath said she struggled to feel welcome.

She is a clever one. She immediately calls upon the herd of women to come to her defence citing that not only her work, but also "the work of other female Github employees" was treated "differently". Who the fuck is she to judge the quality of anyone's work?

So in her eyes Github prefers to overlook the brilliant work of women employees and forgo profits and success, so they can focus on keeping the females down. Yes this is the master plan, hire a bunch of females and then cunningly assassinate their character, hard work, and ingenuity. That evil patriarchy! They must now be punished.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women always look to invade man's space with the ultimate goal of destruction.

I don't think they actually intend to destroy male spaces when they invade but rather to extract the maximum amount of resources from them with a minimal level of effort. They look like a parasite that takes so much it kills the host.

[–]Areimanes 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a combination of both.

They see a male space that is suddenly 'hip', and they want to be a part of it. Gaming (and the associated branches such as programming, game design) as well as the Atheist community are good examples.

  • First they want to gain access to this new area.
  • Then they want to change the way men behave to accommodate women (and as any guy knows: men already do this automatically).
  • Then women say they are being discriminated and/or are being objectified. PZ meyers (Atheist community douchebag) at one point said (paraphrasing) there is a debate going on within the Atheist community if women are "sex objects for white men" or are "equals" (WTF?).
  • Political correctness just goes mad at this point and you have men are leaving the community altogether to create a 'new' community (where the same thing happens again) or they become manginas enslaved to these women, hoping for a scrap of attention.

I really need to stop reading these stories right before work.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All I can say is I'm glad we here at TRP stop this at the first and second steps. Sure we got a few women around here but they come here and are expected to follow our rules or GTFO.

[–]fruitofmyloom 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So in her eyes Github prefers to overlook the brilliant work of women employees and forgo profits and success, so they can focus on keeping the females down. Yes this is the master plan, hire a bunch of females and then cunningly assassinate their character, hard work, and ingenuity. That evil patriarchy! They must now be punished.

Hehe. This is the best response to the whole thing.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Out of all the baffling things feminists believe, this one gets me the most.

The men who run the business world are obviously super greedy and the only thing they want is more money... unless they have an opportunity to uphold the patriarchy, in which case they will gladly sacrifice profits in order to keep women oppressed.

[–]1independentmale 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Github, of course, will have work to do to overcome claims of sexism in the workplace, especially as it seeks to recruit more women.

Why the hell would they want to "recruit more women?"

I recruit the best and the brightest. I don't care if they're men, women or monkeys as long as they're good at what they do. I'll never understand this superficial desire to have some bullshit "balance" between sexes, races, or any other traits. They're just going to wind up with a bunch of mediocre programmers because "OMG must have and cater to women to prove we aren't sexist!"

Writing code is a male dominated space because men are better with logic. Period. I've met some bad ass female programmers, it's true, but they are few and far between. Definitely not the norm.

If I had any financial positions in github I'd dump them yesterday.

[–]FascistComicBookHero 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's that they want to, but rather they are mandated to do so by the government.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is why I don't agree with putting women in male dominated spaces. Even if what she said was true, all of this could have been avoided by not hiring any women in the first place.

Diversity is not strength, it comes at the cost of solidarity. Men are able to fight out their differences and be friends afterwards. Women will fight too, but they will hold a grudge and still seek to destroy their opposition whether they won or lost.

We as a society need to start looking at segregation as a way to increase productivity.

[–]FortunateBum -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't hire men with wives or who live with girlfriends either, I'd add.

[–]mechakingghidorah 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is IndieGogo any good?

I hate kickstarter and except for 1 or 2 rare circumstances that might happen I refuse to support them. They banned a man from raising funds for a PUA book, but Anita Sarkesian's video game ideology videos are just fine.

[–]FascistComicBookHero 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They banned a man from raising funds for a PUA book,

Really? Any more info? That's fucking disgusting.

[–]7r1993rWarn1n9 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/we-were-wrong

[–]TheOpposingView5 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I have a suspicion that the "unsafe work environment" charges are nothing more than a means of garnering media attention for what could be a real issue between her, the wife, and the company.

The unsafe claims seem so random--especially when you can see there is a clear, cohesive narrative underneath them, concerning the wife running things and bullying employees.

If I were a woman and wanted to fight a situation where my company was clandestinely operated by a vicious bully who was attacking me, I would draw media attention by making these types of claims. No one would care about the actual problem-it sounds like a conspiracy--but if you throw sex and feminism in the mix, it blows up.

Just food for thought--for all we know, she might be the hero to her fellow employees, being the only one who can throw light on all of this, while risking her reputation and future employement opportunities. Or, she might be a psycho cunt.

Either way, this one seems not so clear cut.

[–]rdaily207 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't hire chicks. It seems pretty straightforward.

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[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm gonna agree here 100%

[–]bam2_89 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate the use of "matriarchy" in this context because maternal behavior is antithetical to feminism. I call it the gynocracy.

[–]garlicextract 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While she has her own problems, did anyone take a look at the "longer recount" of what happened?

The founder's wife is the crazy bitch here. Note that the wife was not an employee:

The founder apologized, and admitted to having “inappropriately escalated the situation.” His wife, he said, would work from home from then on. The wife, to be clear, was not a GitHub employee.

Instead of getting gone, the wife appeared the next day and “planted herself right in front” of Horvath. Horvath pinged various executives who were “busy” but willing to help eventually.

The situation wasn’t merely passively painful; according to Horvath it became virulent:

The next thing I knew the wife was in my face at my work station verbally attacking me. She demanded to speak with me in private to which I said no. I asked her in a very calm way to leave me alone and told her she was making me uncomfortable. There is an eye-witness to this event.

I was shaking in horror and felt my adrenaline pumping harder than ever before. I was proud of myself for not reacting, though.

I decided to work from home for a while.

HR eventually asked the wife to not be on the same floor as Horvath. But according to Horvath’s recount, “she continued to find her way in and plant herself right next to wherever I was working.” This continued until her exit from the firm this past Thursday.

Still a RP story, but that wife is an unhinged crazy bitch.

[–]throwaway-o -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with a cofounder who has a creeper for a wife, both if which are no longer allowed in the office.

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If those allegations are true then it sounds like they were afraid of her doing exactly what she ended up doing: leaving and badmouthing the company.

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