Man here, I have a problem with the whole 'market' philosophy and want to know what you think

petrichordium · 2019-07-16T17:55:07+00:00

You and most men like you VASTLY underestimate how unpleasant life is for ugly women. Yes fat or ugly women can get tinder fuckboys who will fuck them but never be seen in public or even spend the night with them.

As for myself, I’ve literally watched my attraction run cold on a girl when she puts on mild relationship weight. And the irony is you are sitting out the game but assuming all other men are full of desperation. Dude, there is a literal line below which porn and masturbation is preferable to dealing with her bullshit or even just her nuanced humanity. Just bc men aren’t labeling themselves with your subcultures, many of them are still like “eh not into the offerings here, gonna pass.”

For me, personally, conventional gender roles and chivalry are reserved for thin pretty women who fuck me like nymphos. Everyone else pays full price. It has never been easier to have this attitude as a median male. Doesn’t mean you get what you want in life but few of us do. It’s not women’s fault you find your life spiritually empty without female partnership.

geyges · 2019-07-16T18:17:50+00:00

As a woman that never got hit on and was made fun of for looking like a man or being toothless (hypothyroidism made my teeth fall out and nearly the same time) until I went through puberty, got boobs, lost weight, and learned how to present myself it’s really not that great from the other side.

Guys that used to make fun of me began asking me out like they hadn’t made fun of my lisp or the way I dressed or my uni-brow just a few years earlier. They act like they like you and they “fall in love with you” very quickly, but nothing has changed about myself except the exterior.

I’m still disablingly shy and I know these men that have claimed to being falling in love with me couldn’t possibly, because I have not opened up to them. So, it’s a kind of black pill for women, as well. It’s not fun being with people that you know are only with you because you’re pretty and that will never appreciate you for the things you want to be appreciated for.

You can spend your life developing your personality and building character and no man gives a shit unless you’ve got a pretty face and a decent body. If you take pride in anything other than your looks and want to be loved for anything more than your appearance, you’re shit out of luck as a woman.

And if you are an ugly woman you have to make peace with the fact that most men you end up with are only with you because they have no other options, which isn’t exactly fun either.

So if you can avoid these realities as a woman, then yea I guess you get a pretty great deal, but if you can’t live in that denial it’s a pretty bitter existence as well.

As for love, well, of course it’s just chemicals, but I do believe in it. I feel it when I look at the moon or when I’m watching a desert sun set or listening water flow beneath the bridge at my favorite meditation spot or countless other scenarios. And relationships can be more than the “stupid fucking market”. I know it because of the relationship I have with my parents and my sister and my dogs and nature and myself. I’m sure I can find these things with another on a romantic level as well, but it has proven to be quite difficult.

Blonsomio · 2019-07-16T18:05:11+00:00

Don't worry bro, you just need to read this 800 pages Red Pill autism book and you'll be swimming in pussy in no time.

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xayawarriorprincess · 2019-07-16T18:18:21+00:00

Ugly or even average women have men trading up on them as well. Ever heard of starter wives? Sure, women can get casual sex easily... but women don't cum as easily as men, so a drunken stranger humping them for five minutes does not fulfil any sexual need they have.

Men need to really give a fuck before they make the effort of ensuring that the sex is pleasurable for the women. And since men don't give love to ugly women, all they have available is pump and dumps that does not meet their needs on any level.

yasee · 2019-07-16T18:32:49+00:00

love is chemicals, justice is chemicals, every bodily function is chemicals, either romanticize everything or romanticize nothing but please do not act like having a known biological basis somehow makes particular things that piss you off crass and meaningless

beyond that, you do not have a clear or accurate view of what life and relationships are like for women. I suspect there is nothing anyone here can really say to you that will flip that switch

LovingLivingLarge · 2019-07-16T18:09:24+00:00

even the ugliest woman can get every man

no, not every man. Other ugly or misfit men, sure.

planejane · 2019-07-16T18:42:05+00:00

Life isn't fair. Sorry. You have it better than some folks in some ways, though, while others have it even better than you. Try to stop focusing on what you don't have. Not for anyone else, but for yourself-that's like, REAL M/WGTOW. Philosophising about life being fair isn't going to make you feel better about it cause it simply never will be.
You have a pretty poor understanding of what it's like being a woman under the top 10% of youth/beauty. Maybe go spend some time on femcels or something. You fall into the same habit of a lot of TRPs where they can't imagine a woman's existence beyond "will she S my D or not."
Love is that funny thing where no one has a universal definition. I tend to think it's more of a choice than a feeling; this holds both me and the people in my life accountable.

So love yourself. Be accountable to yourself. If you find a chick, hold each other accountable and hold yourselves accountable. Feels aren't worth shit, action is. Watch what you do, not what you feel. Watch what they do, not what they feel. You're pretty feelsy right now despite any thoughts you have to the contrary. Figure out how to change that.

I might feel buckets of passion for my SO, but if I don't bother to be faithful or pull my weight, how much is my love really worth? You might feel all sorts of adoration for one girl or another, but if you're not going to pull for her or she's not going to pull for you, does it really do you any good?

Men tend to view this passion as worth so damn much. If it's invisible or even harmful, why should women want it? And if she's not acting in a way that conveys her caring for you, what good really is whatever warmth she has towards you?

Be a bit more practical about things and you'll be happier. Maybe that's with someone, maybe that's on your own, but whatever it looks like you'll be better off.

[deleted] · 2019-07-16T18:47:45+00:00

I think that the sexual marketplace is in fact a market. There are buyers and sellers. You must bring to market something that someone else wants, and you must "sell" it for a price you and the other person agree on and can live with.

If you have nothing to "sell", or no one wants what you're selling, then you have two choices: (1) you don't get to participate in the market. You don't get to buy anything for yourself because you have nothing to sell. (2) You need to go out and get something that someone else wants, so you can "sell" it on the market.

Some people have a lot to offer naturally, so they get a lot back. Some people don't have very much, so they get little back. Some men who went Red Pill learned how to get more stuff to offer, so they get more back than they did before. Some women who improved themselves personality wise or appearance wise, had little, but now have more. So they can also get more than they did before.

And you are right - this is all very unfair. It's unfair that some people didn't have to work for it. It's unfair that some other people don't have much and never will have much, so they have to take what they can get or nothing at all.

It's unfair that those who don't have much but want more, have to work for it. It's unfair that men have to learn about this on the internet because they didn't pick it up on their own for one reason or another. It's unfair.

Just like life. Life is unfair. You have to work. That's unfair. You have to put up with bullshit from people who are stupider than you. Also unfair. It's also unfair that the guy next to you has a nicer car. Also unfair that that same guy cut you off and pulled out in front of you in that better car on your way to work today.

Also unfair that some people did better at calculus than you did. It just came to them naturally, so they are better at it than you are. And it's unfair that you have some talent that most other people don't have. They'd like to have that talent, but you do and they don't, and that's not fair.

Life isn't fair. Sex, dating, and fucking are part of life, and so they also are not fair.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-07-16T18:17:07+00:00

so another incel lookism post

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atlantic68 · 2019-07-16T17:51:38+00:00

I think you need something new to focus on

geyges · 2019-07-16T17:55:26+00:00

yea I was rejected a bajillion times. And yea it's because I'm not good looking.

bajillion? I don't buy it. Even Quasimodo could find someone among bajillion of women. I mean you'd really have to be atrociously ugly looking that not even fat disgusting chicks would take a chance.

Something has to be out there to make this horrifically unfair game, worth it.

I say it all the time. Being mutually in love with someone is like drug. Best thing that I ever experienced by far. Yea I sound melodramatic, but that mix of love/lust/tenderness just makes you retarded for a few months. Is it worth it? Fuck that's a tough one.

LowCreddit · 2019-07-16T18:09:07+00:00

Reality is reality. It is brutal, unfair, and uncaring. People spend their entire lives in a fantasy world pretending otherwise. Your life sucks. Literally no one cares. You know this. Improving yourself isn't some best out of many options. It's the only one. No one will or can do it for you.

Xemnas81 · 2019-07-16T18:19:15+00:00

Markets exist but TRP somewhat underestimates the degree to which culture influences attraction. Not so much "what constitutes fertility" as "what constitutes power/status/high survival probability"

[deleted] · 2019-07-16T18:24:39+00:00

You are letting your feelings cloud your eyes, Avoid it at all costs.

It is true that there are people who will never achieve sex, those men heavily mentally and/or physically challenged for example. However that is it. If you are not in these groups you can still get there if you put enough effort.

You mistook some parts too. Most men alive will have to put effort to get sex and even women have to put some kind of effort (if she is below average looks). TRP is about efficiency and chances. I.e. Most people have chances, and these chances increases with resource investment. However TRP shows how to invest to increase the biggest chances with the least of resources.

Your seem to be young and be passing by the anger phase. I would recommend to try to focus on using rationality and avoid feelings clouding your judgement. I know it is hard, I know it is almost impossible, but it pays well. The anger phase diminish a lot if you practice rational thought. Think of it as a lifting to the mind.

Finally you have the wrong view, Love is not magic, It is chemical reaction... i.e. you can make it happens with the correct reagents. Relationships are not fate, they are governed by market forces... i.e. You can achieve it with enough value.

You can do it without needing to believe in lies my friend. Cheers.

Million-Suns · 2019-07-16T18:29:38+00:00

It seems you have become blackpilled like me.

I don't find women worth pursuing, and I am more on the aromantic side.

Don't let others define who you are and their "incel" shaming affect you. Being a plantation slave is not better, neither an accomplishment.

Life is better, even when interacting with women, when you remove that pressure to perform as a jester to please them.

The world is based on unfairness, not much you can do about that. Ignore women, and redirect the anger you have towards them at the world instead. That does not mean becoming a terrorist and harming people and stuff. That means not giving a damn about "the greater good" and conforming to behaviours that people judge as socially good.

When you remove most of the social pressure, life gets better.

Title	Man here, I have a problem with the whole 'market' philosophy and want to know what you think
Author	Throwaway235833
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Date	July 16, 2019 4:06 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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