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"Toxic masculinity" is created and rewarded by women. It's more appropriate to call it "toxic femininity"

incelicious

December 13, 2018
6 upvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate

We've all heard the "toxic masculinity" buzz phrase and it's time to put it to rest as something created and rewarded by women. The more appropriate and closer-to-reality naming should be toxic femininity.

  • Women reward bullies with more sex
  • women hate actual nice guys with good personalities
  • Women are turned on by and sexually reward those with Dark Triad personalities (Narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism by a large margin over nice guys
  • Female sexuality and mating choices are responsible for creating male competition and its adverse effects (like violence) and can even lead to the extinction of the species
  • Female sexuality that creates male competition leads to things like crime, violence, child neglect, income inequality, poverty, murder, assault, fraid -- you name it
  • Women don't actually care about good personality. They only care about how hot the guys is.
  • Women create income inequality by demanding mates that earn equal or more than her, even if she already has her own wealth
  • Women create inequality with outlandish demands, "I want it all"
  • Women lie (and lie BIG) about their sexual pasts in order to manipulate men
  • Women will have back-up guys on the side and engage in branch swinging

Men: discuss how toxic femininity has harmed you, those around you, and society in general

Women: discuss your own toxic femininity, how you can change that with positive femininity, and how you can become any ally to men in smashing the oppressive Matriarchy.

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Title "Toxic masculinity" is created and rewarded by women. It's more appropriate to call it "toxic femininity"
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incelicious

Upvotes 6
Comments 38
Date December 13, 2018 5:22 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a5vj0h/toxic_masculinity_is_created_and_rewarded_by/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/toxic-masculinity-is-created-and-rewarded-by-women.258574
https://theredarchive.com/post/258574
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Comments

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] [score hidden] 7 years ago stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

No leading questions.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

How would that make any sense?

Toxic masculinity doesn't mean that men are toxic. It refers to harmful standards that society places upon men.

Masculinity refers to societal standards and expectations that men are expected to fulfill.

If women place these standards upon men it's still masculinity, because those are societal standards that men are expected to fulfill. It doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man that tells men how they should behave, because it's still a standard that men are expected to fulfill.

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It refers to harmful standards that society women places upon men.

Fixed it for you.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The worst thing about women is that they’re human.

Your expectation that women would be LESS involved in the general depravity of humanity is a pretty lie and unfair expectation. You need to take them off a pedestal.

Look inside yourself at all the shallowness, venality, and just irrational fucked up shit you keep inside yourself. Individual women are just as messy and full of cognitive dissonance as you. They are human.

You are looking for women to save you from the human condition. They’re not equipped to do that, and yeah you’re right: doing so would go against their sexual imperative most of the time.

For all the big nihilistic game whiny little men on the internet bring, there’s always a soft gooey center of childish idealism looking for some superhuman person to save them from the everyday bullshit of being a human being. We are a species prone to genocide. We created Hitler and the Comcast corporation. You really think just bc some bitch has a pussy she’s gonna save you from all that?

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The worst thing about women is that they’re human

You seem to be suffering from a case of egalitarianism. Yes, women are human. No, their biological proclivities make them an entirely different category than men. Yes, we are human. And that is largely meaningless and only is useful when comparing us to other creatures (i.e. not human).

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The only thing I’m suffering from is a vastly overinflated sense of my general rightness, and unfortunately this conversation isn’t helping.

There’s a difference between blank slate egalitarianism and a complementary sense that we are all contributors to the human condition. Your problem is a failure to see women as anything other than either benevolent mommies seeing your sense of your own inner beauty or else evil vagina dentata monsters. They’re just random hoes hacking it along, some for better, some for worse.

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

>random hoes hacking it along

So I guess evolution didn't happen, then? Because "random hoes hacking it along" makes it sound like a dice roll, and that isn't the case at all.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you read my first comment and are still twisting that phrase into that conclusion then I don’t know what to do with you.

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I get it. I'd be inclined to agree with you if it weren't for the fact that women have the backing of trillions of dollars worth of corporations and governments, while the line that we are sold day in and day out is that men are shit and women are wonderful. So it's not just random hoes hacking it along. It's helped along by lots and lots money from really high up and it's pretty ubiquitous at this point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

  1. "exploitative traits may be associated with bullying and sexual partners across adolescence" != "women reward bullies with more sex"
  2. "men, but not women, perceived a responsive stranger as more gender-typical (masculine/feminine), and in turn, as more attractive. Study 3 revealed that responsiveness increased men's perception of partner’s femininity." != "women hate actual nice guys with good personalities"
  3. "In either case, we are not asserting that female respondents who rated the DT character as attractive would necessarily be willing to engage in sex with them." != "Women are turned on by and sexually reward those with Dark Triad personalities (Narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism (sic) by a large margin over nice guys"
  4. This study is not about humans.
  5. This study examines the effect of monogamy and the reduction of steep social hierarchies (marked by the 'possession' of many women) on the suppression of crime, not the role of female sexuality in generating it.

I have an exam to take, so I'm not going to read the rest of these - I doubt you did - but if anyone else is interested, it's a trip.

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Guys! Look at these ambiguous-sounding sentences in OP's posts! Therefore OP's arguments are invalid". Come on now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You were misrepresenting the content of the links you cited as evidence. This is poor practice, and when your 'evidence' is more accurately described as 'wishful thinking based on preexisting biases, attempted to pass off as the conclusions of studies that did not conclude these things', that does usually mean that your argument is invalid. Unironically.

[–]UnconfidenceSocial Anarchist - BP1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

No, there's "toxic femininity", and "toxic masculinity". Both are created and empowered by both genders. Women are just as strong a point of genesis of toxic masculinity in men as women, and men are just as strong a point of genesis of toxic femininity as women. That social control is and has been largely patriarchal is irrelevant to these dynamics, which play out on an individual level.

Also, women can display toxic masculinity, and men toxic femininity. A great example of this is women appealing to traditional male stoicism in male-dominated workplaces in an attempt to fit in. Another converse example would be men promoting eating disorders in the bodybuilding community.

Sure, women create toxicity, as do men, and kids, and old people, etc. Saying some group doesn't, or contributes more or less, is something that needs strong evidence, and which usually can only be applied to voluntary traits (ideology, profession, etc.).

[–]incelicious[S] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, women create toxicity, as do men, and kids, and old people

Maybe you missed this study that I posted.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms6233

It clearly states that in all species, mammals and humans included, male competition is solely created by the females. So all negatives associated with male competition, like violence, are the doing of the females of species.

That social control is and has been largely patriarchal

There is literally no evidence for this at all, other than feminists and quack pseudo-scientists saying "because I said so".

Also, women can display toxic masculinity, and men toxic femininity. A great example of this is women appealing to traditional male stoicism in male-dominated workplaces in an attempt to fit in.

No that is quite clearly toxic femininity. She is manipulating the men. We can see this with GAMER GRRRLS making thousands of dollars on Twitch by appealing to their boners.

Good attempt at damage control, though. Let's get back to the topic at hand, which is toxic femininity.

​

[–]UnconfidenceSocial Anarchist - BP0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right, was looking for discussion, got hog shit. Subreddit staying on brand.

[–]incelicious[S] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean the discussion didn't go your way and you weren't able to brow-beat me into submission

[–]Uncommon_Sensed_1234 1 points1 points1 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Does this mean I can no longer ask him to open a jar for me?

Thanks matriarchy. Now about that oil change.

[–]nemma8830/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have one of these jar opening things with silicone covering for £5, works really well.

Anyone struggles with jars should look into them.

[–]Orange_Paisley0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m not even afraid of insects but sometimes I will ask him to remove one from the bathroom or wherever because it makes him feel like a hero. It’s cute to watch him trap a bug under a cup and then flex his arms like he’s just singlehandedly caught Big Foot.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't forget to mow your half of the lawn too...

[–]Barely-moralMostly red though0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean. Sure, every behavioral trend seen in men as a group is created by women as a group.

If tomorrow all women stop being attracted to X, all men would stop doing X or they would stop reproducing, so the next generation would be less likely to do X.

About how "toxic femininity" as you define it has harmed me... not that much.

I mean, I would have liked to be a SAHD/H but the rules of the game make that something impossible. But I am good at adapting. I play by the rules that currently exist. I play the current game. And I get the best result I can get within it.

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

About how "toxic femininity" as you define it has harmed me... not that much.

That part was tongue-in-cheek. I was mimicking how feminists talk.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How has toxic femininity harmed me? 🤔

Hm ... I got nothing. At the bare minimum, it made me realize, what women say they want vs. what they respond to is different. Also, with a name like incelicious, I'm expecting this to be an entertaining comment section.

/* Grabs Popcorn */

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, with a name like incelicious, I'm expecting this to be an entertaining comment section.

I aim to please.

[–]wtffellificationExcuse me, my curve dicks downwards0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The problem is, we naturally associate the term "toxic masculinity" with the male gender.

But masculinity is a broader concept, quite beyond gender. As proved by many women of today...

Something in us all sure as hell is toxic. But it ain't masculinity in and of itself dear

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But masculinity is a broader concept, quite beyond gender.

Moving the goal posts. Someone calls out the whole feminist "toxic masculinity" nonsense and suddenly masculinity goes from a guy thing to a "broader concept".

​

[–]wtffellificationExcuse me, my curve dicks downwards0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

lol wait do you think I called you dear? because I didn't mean it that way.. dear

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What kind of glue are you sniffing?

[–]wtffellificationExcuse me, my curve dicks downwards0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

some comeback

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My toxic femininity is driving me to make a spinach and mushroom lasagna for a party on Sunday with varying cheeses. Other than that I give no fucks about toxic femininity or masculinity and PPD is turning into MGTOW and Incel Woe Town and y'all are boring and whiny and pedantic and humorless you make a Trotsky convention seem fun. Eat poodle butts.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

smashing the oppressive Matriarchy.

If you actually care so much all you have to do is be a bastard and cheat. You've taken your own weakness, reframed it as morality and you're looking for us to scold these women like children.

Well guess what, if they don't care and you do then what are you actually asking us to do?

You're asking us to make women care, they don't.

The reason why you care is because you still use women to validate yourself and you're looking for something that isn't there. Stop gobbling up this bullshit and buy a hooker.

Get some friends, fulfilling hobbies etc.

Trust me when I say what you think will make you happy wont.

Men: discuss how toxic femininity has harmed you, those around you, and society in general

It didn't hurt me but it has obvious other ramifications.

It made me strong and resilient. I no longer use women to validate myself. I have healthy views on how women can or should fit into my life which let me be happy with or without a girlfriend or wife. With or without my kids.

The nuclear family was a male oriented fantasy. It's going away and society will restructure itself. I suspect there will be a lot of men that will adopt similar mindsets as myself and others who have been unplugged.

They will reject numale value systems and traditional value systems. Like women, men will create their own value systems.

I suspect Russia and poor black areas are a glimpse into our future. I think it would be wise to socialize child support as to not create unnecessary violence in systemizing a change from a more idyllic framework to something closer to biological preference.

Woman are nomadic and you must treat them as such. Your reliance on stability is only afforded to you given your wide arousal window. If you were aroused like a woman you'd be just as fickle.

Anyways, learn how to operate outside of the frame given to you by society. Women rejected it yet you cling to it. Join them. Or as we say "enjoy the decline."

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The reason why you care is because you still use women to validate yourself and you're looking for something that isn't there.

That is not accurate. I "care" because I like to try to understand how things work and why they work that way. I know full well that women don't care, and really no one else does either. But that's not the point.

Stop gobbling up this bullshit and buy a hooker.

I was thinking of heading over to Germany where prostitution is legal and regulated to buy myself some hoes and some cocaine and go to town.

​

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Just order an outcall. No one is doing stings on outcalls.

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not familar with this. What's an outcall?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You tell her to come to you.

[–]incelicious[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems risky.

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[–]Physiologymatters0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm overcoming the toxic parts of my personality by being honest with myself about my shortcomings, making a list of controllable traits that I want in a partner, comparing the two, and developing the habits and skills that I want in a partner that I don't yet embody myself. It's going well.

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