What exactly is the deal with red pill and self improvement?

dakru · 2015-09-02T01:40:36+00:00

The core of the subreddit is a world-view or belief system (about gender, biological innateness, and attraction) and it also includes suggestions on how to change yourself to better succeed in a world where these beliefs are true.

drok007 · 2015-09-02T01:24:43+00:00

I'd say its about self-improvement, just not by TBP's specific ideology.

Archwinger · 2015-09-02T02:52:03+00:00

I can find misogyny anywhere in this evil patriarchy world we live in. That's all common shit, not unique to The Red Pill.

If we strip away all of that common misogyny you can find anywhere else, you're left with plain old self-improvement.

I was tricked! The Red Pill pretends it's all about hating women with this thin veil of misogyny, but it's really about male improvement. You can't hide from me, TRPers! I'm on to you!

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2015-09-02T05:52:16+00:00

TRP says that women are hypergamous, therefore a man should improve himself. The factual statement that men and women are different (gasp!) and that women have a dual mating strategy is the driving force behind the self improvement because it shatters the Women are Wonderful effect that poisons the minds of young men into thinking they can trade niceness, favors, and being a good listener for pussy.

Basically TRP tells Betas that they don't have to be the one being settled for, and that they can do better by increasing SMV since the disney fairytale marriage is going to blow up in his face due to unfair divorce laws favoring alpha widows.

40Watts · 2015-09-02T04:02:15+00:00

The red pill is about sexual strategy. Learning sexual strategy is a form of self-improvement.

Maoist-Pussy · 2015-09-02T06:48:11+00:00

Becoming more fuckable is self-improvement.

alreadyredschool · 2015-09-02T07:31:52+00:00

Self improvement is a sexual strategy.

Xemnas81 · 2015-09-02T13:55:12+00:00

Entirely a bloop aim to serve the feminine imperative. Women have conceded things such as Yes Looks matter to girls, yes there are leagues, no we don't want whiney bitches.

They still hide AF/BB within the feminine mystique and rationalisations of 'emotional maturity', hypergamy in its raw LTR/married form within feminist 'never settle' and fabricated deconstruction of leagues rhetoric, the social conventions of the feminine imperative and the more…shall we say insidious shaming mechanisms, the power of dread game and the 48 laws, etc.

The femosphere concedes the merits of the red pill insofar as the manosphere helps create Better Betas. I'm not just quoting Rollo here it's pretty obvious. Take Ryan Gosling, the perfect Chad-> a feminist. If potentially high value men are encouraged to boost their SMV to serve the feminine imperative without being given knowledge of their true SMV, then in due time they will be the perfectly whipped Beta Bucks.

http://therationalmale.com/2013/04/19/the-evolution-of-game/

However, underpinning all of these areas of specialization was still the need to internalize and personalize Game in a Man’s life. Game was the path to male re-empowerment; an empowerment that even women today still feel men should Man-back-Up to. Game required a reinterpretation of masculinity towards something positive, beneficial and competent – something entirely apart from the negative, shameful and ridiculous archetypes 60 years of feminization had convinced women and men of. Call it Alpha, call it Positive Masculinity, but Game necessitates the reimagining of the importance of the masculine imperative. Game needs Men to change their minds about themselves.

Needless to say, even in its most positive of contexts, the male re-empowerment that Game led to was a Threat too great for the feminine imperative to allow. Controlling the intrinsic insecurities that the feminine imperative is founded upon has alway depended on men’s ignorance of their true value, and true necessity to women. Men have to remain necessitous to women in order for their insecurity to be insured against, and the feminine imperatives control to be insured of.

The well of knowledge and awareness that Game represented had to be poisoned. The social conventions the feminine imperative had relied on for decades was no longer effective. The continued expansion of Game into the social, psychological, evolutionary and biological realms was evidence that Game was something those old convention couldn’t contain, so the imperative evolved new tacts while reinventing old ones.

Shaming and ridicule were (and still are) the rudimentary tactics that the less intellectual of the feminine imperative would resort to, but the expansiveness of Game needed something more distorting. Proponents of the feminine imperative began to concede certain universal points that Game had long asserted about feminine nature (and the FI had long rejected) in an effort to co-opt the social momentum Game had taken over a decade to develop.

The Feminine Imperative couldn’t argue with the extensive validity of the tenets of Game, so it sought to reengineer Game from within and modify it to its own purpose. The Feminne Imperative wants just enough male empowerment to return men to an improved (really an older) state of usefulness to its ends, but not so much that true male emancipation from the imperative would threaten its dominance. In co-opting Game and conceding to the truths it finds less threatening the imperative hopes to build better betas – men who believe they are empowered by Game, but are still beholden to the Feminine Imperative.

True emancipation from the imperative threatens its dominance, so Men with the vision to see past this are labeled Dark, Sociopathic and Deviant by the imperative. It wasn’t enough just to infiltrate Game and sanitize it fot its benefit, the Feminine Imperative had to categorize Game for itself – Evil vs. Good Game. The good of course being characterized with whatever aspects benefitted the imperative and the bad being whatever ‘selfishly’ benefited the masculine. The Feminine Imperative doesn’t care about the various branchings of Game – natural, internalized, marriage, etc. – it only concerns itself with what aspects can be distorted to its advantage and what aspects cannot.

wtknight · 2015-09-02T01:50:28+00:00

I am guessing that deep down, TRP believes that self-improvement and misogyny go together, like, to begin to improve yourself, you first have to realize that women are biologically, mentally and emotionally beneath you. Only then can you start to work to get all the sex that you want.

dakru · 2015-09-02T10:35:59+00:00

I have a number of issues in fact:

I have noticed that hypergamy does not apply is quite the same way the terpers think and in many instances women go for the fun guy, over the rich, muscular guy .

Getting sex is very easy and going on this huge journey of self-improvement to put yourself at the top of your imaginary hypergamic ladder is totally unnecessary, if your only goal is sex.

Some women are truly kind and loyal and will take care of their husbands even if they 're injured and become wheelchair bound, rather than just hopping on the next decent dick they can find.

In terms of personal observation, lots of women see the whole arrogant routine as begging it badly, real confidence is actually doing things which have risk and still believing you will be the one to make a success of that thing, rather than 'IM THE BEST, IM THE SHIT, IM THE MUTHAFUCKIN GREATEST' with no action.

ALexusOhHaiNyan · 2015-09-02T09:59:48+00:00

This is what depresses me.

If most young sexually frustrated men went through the self improvement of seduction they wouldn't even need red pill.

redmachines · 2015-09-02T02:27:20+00:00

Self improvement was always self help bullshit. The red pill is no different. Red pillers want to pretend their life mission is to "improve themselves" when it was really a cry for female validation. But they won't say that because it makes them look inferior to the same people they bash and look down on every day.

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