Do you believe that everyone that is opposed to TRP is a feminist?

kick6 · 2015-06-03T21:59:43+00:00

No. BP isn't necessarily feminism. Blue Pill has it's basis in classical masculinity: the original social contract between men and women, that feminism has shit all over. Feminism has certainly co-opted allegiance to this contract to further their own ends, but it is by no means a requirement.

[deleted] · 2015-06-03T21:48:18+00:00

No. I highly doubt it.

TheGreasyPole · 2015-06-03T22:04:55+00:00

No. Not everyone who opposes TRP is a feminist.

Someone who has learned of TRP, and is opposed to TRP is almost certainly a redditor. I would expect them to follow a fairly standard spread across all the people that entails. But a spread that is heavy in both feminists, and people who love them some outrage.

BP world is everybody. A certain Segment of that everybody discover RP. A certain segment of that decide they really don't like this at all (usually without understanding an awful lot about it). A certain segment of them want to argue about it.

The arguers are much more feminist heavy, and much "outrage porn lovey" than the other segments, but you'll find almost any body type, person, sex, hat size and penis length in there.

Except the guys with the really big cocks. Most of them are on our side.

[deleted] · 2015-06-04T01:57:53+00:00

No, I don't believe that's true. However, I do believe that the vast majority of people who are opposed to TRP will generalize women as the opposite of AWALT: Kind, sweet, not capable of lying or harm, innocent.

Reginleifer · 2015-06-03T21:56:45+00:00

Kind of impossible to believe that given the constant bashing rp get from others in the manosphere.

exit_sandman · 2015-06-03T22:12:14+00:00

No. TRP is diametrically opposed to the mainstream ideal of gender relations; being against it is the default m.o. of most people in the West; these non-feminist however could very well have partially feminist positions without being acutely aware of it (people who are actively struggling with TRP on the other hand - i.e. self-identified bluepillers - are rather likely to be feminists).

That said, it's easier to picture people who are most likely not opposed to TRP by default than trying to catch everyone else. Very religious people, right-wing conservatives, salt-of-the-earth types, guys from very masculine-centric subcultures (bikers, criminals...) etc. would be a lot more likely to hold RP-compatible views by default. People who are against TRP on the other hand have probably more in common with redpillers than these types, since most people who adopt redpill ideas originally come from that bluepill mindset: if they had grown up with a framework that has a less neurotic relationship with the concept of masculinity, swallowing the pill wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

[deleted] · 2015-06-04T00:49:34+00:00

Of course not. The overwhelming majority of the populace would be "against" TRP if it were shown to them, and the overwhelming majority are not feminists.

what do you picture someone who is opposed to TRP as being like?

Like anyone else selected at random from the populace.

max_peenor · 2015-06-04T01:32:27+00:00

I think there are lot of people that just don't like inflammatory language. Talking hard is hard and sometimes and let's face it--TRP gets the occasional born-again in full meltdown mode.

Nazrath2112 · 2015-06-03T22:07:49+00:00

No not everyone who disagrees is a feminists.

What are you looking for with your edit question? Are you asking for more than just looks? Are you asking if any of the opposition has been seen outside of FPH?

HumanSockPuppet · 2015-06-03T23:34:45+00:00

Of course not. There are plenty of "naturals" out there who live Red Pill principles every day without even knowing what our corner of the internet is.

There are also plenty of men who observe Blue Pill principles as a result of unconscious indoctrination (which is what a lot of our society is for), and they too don't know what Red Pill or Blue Pill even means.

People who oppose TRP come in all forms. But the most common RP opponent is the man who simply hasn't understood what TRP is.

It's a common theme in TRP that we don't go out looking for men to convert. Rather, an individual man will suffer a stifling humiliation or soul-crushing loss in his life - a cataclysmic break-up, a divorce-rape, the loss of his children. With his whole world turned upside down, his mind is finally in a state where he is ready to question his basic assumptions about love, relationships, and the truths of the sexual marketplace. That's when he sets out looking for answers, and that's when we hope he finds us.

But you cannot change a man's mind before he is ready.

blametheboogie · 2015-06-03T21:47:52+00:00

No, I think a lot of people assume that just because a person could use rp information to take advantage of women that most of the people who read it will become moustache twirling villains and do so.

I don't think that this is the case but overreacting to things and imagining worst case doom and gloom scenarios is what lots of people do now.

Villaintine · 2015-06-03T21:55:16+00:00

Do you believe that everyone that is opposed to TRP is a feminist?

No

what do you picture someone who is opposed to TRP as being like?

Naïve (or purposely ignorant) and idealistic

strongalfalfa · 2015-06-03T23:15:46+00:00

That would be amazing but sadly there are some people who oppose TRP that STILL don't identify as a feminist sadly.

Darth-Sin · 2015-06-04T10:02:12+00:00

No. However, anyone that is opposed to Red Pill concept is gynocentric.

prodigy2throw · 2015-06-04T17:06:15+00:00

Not necessarily but they are more likely to lean feminist.

GaiusScaevolus · 2015-06-04T19:24:47+00:00

The most recent survey concluded that TBP was primarily feminist or some sort of SJW, but I imagine those who actually oppose TRP (rather than have a gut reaction to an out of context clip they;ve been showed) could also include a certain traditionalist element.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2015-06-03T23:55:38+00:00

I don't think that.

There are plenty of reasons to oppose TRP.

drok007 · 2015-06-04T03:42:57+00:00

No, but many are. Others are ignorant about gender issues, some are openly hypocritical, others know about gender issues but still don't know what RP first premises are.

ECoast_Man · 2015-06-04T01:52:14+00:00

They're mostly idiots, and white knights actually.

I can count on one hand the legitimate arguments I've had here.

Title	Do you believe that everyone that is opposed to TRP is a feminist?
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