CMV. Women use sex to control men.

ThorLives · 2015-05-13T20:50:25+00:00

Feminists actively fight to keep sex work of any kind illegal and punish the women that engage in it.

Don't really agree with that point. Women have a weird relationship to sex. On one hand, female sexuality is a powerful tool (especially for attractive women, e.g. Belle Knox ). On the other hand, some women can see it as demeaning and threatening (especially if they don't care for sex or view other women as more sexually attractive, therefore are at a disadvantage compared to other women). The result is that feminists can't seem to agree on sex. Some feminists want pornography banned because "all porn is demeaning to women" (which is complete nonsense). I've heard interviews with pro-feminist prostitutes who think the whole feminist viewpoint of "prostitutes are victims, they just don't know it" is arrogant and wrong. Some feminists think a woman should be able to do anything she wants with her body (including prostitution, porn, etc) - i.e. sexual liberation is freedom.

Feminists in Scandinavia has pushed forward laws that views female prostitutes as victims, and "johns" as criminal aggressors, resulting in laws there johns are punished but prostitutes are not. In the Netherlands (which is also quite liberal and feminist), prostitution is legal. In those cases, feminists aren't punishing women for engaging in prostitution.

haircombsnightmare · 2015-05-13T21:22:00+00:00

Some women do. Not all, not most.

cxj · 2015-05-13T21:48:39+00:00

I agree with this. In my experience, when women don't get their way in a relationship, their go to strategy is to stop having sex with you until you cave to their demands. The only male solution to this is to convince the woman that you both can and will find sex elsewhere, and make her care that you would in fact do this, AKA dread game. This is very hard to do in real life, but it is possible.

I agree that this issue is underdiscussed at TRP. I also think that while the most common TRP narrative of AF/BB where the woman hooks up with guys out of her league and then is forced to settle down with a beta after her prime happens, this is by no means the only narrative. Another common one I've observed is a woman getting into an LTR with an alpha she's attracted to, then leaving on her own out of frustration with her inability to control the relationship. As many have said before, women are realists pretending to be romantics, and in my experience many of them simply value attraction a lot less than other things, including having control of the relationship. I'd even go as far as saying that lots of women settle with betas right off the bat because while they may not find them attractive, or at least as attractive as the alphas they secretly are attracted to yet simultaneously despise, they resent alpha males for being uncontrollable by women. My ultimate point is that even if the girl never cock carousels and has a low p count, that doesn't mean she is any better than the one who did for an LTR, IMO.

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phomaniac · 2015-05-13T22:05:52+00:00

Do women use sex to control men sometimes? Yes. Do they have sex only to control men? No, I don't believe so. Women can want sex just because too. They are not immune to their biological urges.

[deleted] · 2015-05-14T02:41:40+00:00

women as a group engage in the majority of slut shaming.

You could be right there. I'm not sure.

Feminists actively fight to keep sex work of any kind illegal and punish the women that engage in it.

Not in the least. You don't understand feminism.

A long list of self reported cases from seduction forums where a frigid woman suddenly starts having sex with her partner again when she discovers she might lose him, or a woman starts shit testing or otherwise trying to manipulate his feelings and he wont have it. 'red pillers' think the woman had lost her attraction and they have suddenly rekindled it, or 'passing the test' turns her on. I think the woman is using sex to manipulate him.

Be honest! There is also a long list of men (when they're being honest) who say that the red pill techniques haven't worked. They are then advised to leave. Loss of sex drive can happen to a woman who's lost her sex drive because she's had kids and now hates her body and thinks her man does too. But when she thinks she might lose him because of it or he shows her he still finds her attractive, something changes in her mind.

Don't think all women are so devious. They're not.

women talking about using sex to reward men for their behavior such as "chore play"

Is that a red pill woman thing?

Some women would do that, esp. those who married for money. The rest wouldn't.

[deleted] · 2015-05-13T19:12:20+00:00

I have never thought about it that way , but I suppose some women do use sex to manipulate men.

I don't know if it's a "natural instinct" for women or just a tactic they use.

I personally never had any problem with prostitution becoming legal and I never bothered to slut shame anyone.

LUClEN · 2015-05-14T01:47:38+00:00

women as a group engage in the majority of slut shaming.

Is this true? Where did you hear this?

happyhorse_g · 2015-05-13T19:09:12+00:00

"Women control men with sex" in the same way that "TRP manipulates women". If that's the way you want to word it, sure.

insurrecto · 2015-05-13T21:28:29+00:00

Some people believe relationships to be transactional: if he does this for me, then I will do this for him. That type of person would use sex to control their partner.

Since we are talking about control in a relationship, sex is not the only thing that is used to control the other person. Sometimes money is used. Sometimes emotional affection is withheld to gain control. Some people are really messed up, and of course it isn't healthy.

Not all women do this, but of course some do. I recommend that you look for a woman who does not view relationships as a transaction.

EODtechUSMC · 2015-05-14T03:40:52+00:00

Some women try to control men. FTFY

Could even say most women. But absolute statements are almost always false

TheGreasyPole · 2015-05-14T08:45:20+00:00

Hi./ Just wanted to say on 3)...

A long list of self reported cases from seduction forums where a frigid woman suddenly starts having sex with her partner again when she discovers she might lose him, or a woman starts shit testing or otherwise trying to manipulate his feelings and he wont have it. 'red pillers' think the woman had lost her attraction and they have suddenly rekindled it, or 'passing the test' turns her on. I think the woman is using sex to manipulate him.

MRP is all over this like white on rice. You are right, it's an attempt to manipulate using girl game. Most wives do this.

"Oh Noes, BB might leave... where would all my lovely beta come from ?... Quick, throw him a few fucks to keep him sweet. Hope he stops all this getting hot and being masculine deal. It's becoming a threat to my Hegemony !"

It's extremely commonly reported. Women throw out the fuck hook. 1 p/m becomes 6 times that month !

How we see it at MRP is...

You start doing well.

The wife throws "Happy Month" your way.

You report success back to us... "Hey MRP, it's going great, 3 months into the pill and she's responding. I'm getting the sex !".

We say "Beware dude, this is probably the pussy hook. Keep your frame, keep improving, keep doing what you are doing. DONT USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO SLACK OFF. Maybe it sticks, maybe it don't. You probably ain't there yet"

Then another thread a bit later "Hey MRP, sex tap is off again. What I do wrong ?"

We tell him "You just had happy month. There are a lot more of them coming, but you're going to need to get your SMV much higher. Keep going dude, these are encouraging signs"

Finally, "Hey MRP, now at 9-12 months. Everythings great. It's happy month every month".

We retire, back bowed, wash our hands, have a cup of tea. Pat ourselves on the back.

RP 1, Rest Of World 0.

"Welcome to being a married RP guy, brother. Are you going to chip in and help us educate the noobs or not ?"

[deleted] · 2015-05-15T06:26:14+00:00

There are a lot of good responses here already, and I'm pretty sure I'll get buried, so I'm just going to speak to your second point:

Feminists actively fight to keep sex work of any kind illegal and punish the women that engage in it.

This isn't necessarily true. There are two kinds of feminism, sex-positive and sex-negative. Sex-positive feminists (of which I'm one) are generally pro- empowering women, including through sex. All of the feminists I know support the legalization of sex work.

I think sex work could greatly benefit from legalization and regulation, making it safer for everyone involved. I'm definitely in favor of legalized prostitution, and I think porn is great. I'm just concerned about sex work occurring in a way that it's 100% consensual for the men and women involved.

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wazzup987 · 2015-05-13T19:52:25+00:00

Some women do some women don't you get what you are willing to put up with.

Lonny_zone · 2015-05-15T03:11:43+00:00

Correction: Women use sex to control Betas.

Title	CMV. Women use sex to control men.
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Date	May 13, 2015 6:25 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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