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Is TBP fundamentally opposed to sexual strategy in general? If so, why? If not, what are some alternatives to TRP?

AskinDaDumbQuestions
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Title Is TBP fundamentally opposed to sexual strategy in general? If so, why? If not, what are some alternatives to TRP?
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Date May 8, 2015 8:04 PM UTC
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[–]andrewisgoodYou are a fountain of misinformation5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not opposed to it. I guess it's also because I first heard about sexual strategy through The Game by Neil Strauss. There were somethings in it I wasn't a fan of, like with negging and even that can potentially be justified by just being light teasing instead of just blatantly insulting. I also read in it about men who wanted to find someone they could marry. Also in it, Mystery was presented as the PUA that gave Neil the main advice, but he was presented as someone who was emotionally unstable and someone that I wouldn't want to be like.

In recent years though, the PUA community does seem a little rough and pretty sexist and I guess I don't think Neil had the hatred and contempt for women that I see a lot from Red Pillers but I could be wrong.

As for alternatives, I guess I don't know off the bat because I didn't get too far with sexual strategy. I dated a few people from online dating (I can be really shy so I find stuff like that a lot easier), and ended up having a girlfriend from that.

[–]powerkickPoly, Bi, Blue, Betafag8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have a strange opinion on the entirety of sexual strategy: on the one hand, do you really need sex that much? Because the only result of not utilizing sexual strategy is (potentially) not obtaining as much sex as possible with as many different people as possible. Weirdly enough, people like myself just flat out have better things I could be doing with my time and effort. If I need to shit, sex hits the backburner, if I need to eat; sex hits the backburner. If I need to wake up early the next day, sex hits the backburner. I've gone months without sex without yearning for it THAT much, yet the importance RP places on sex is absolutely ludicrous. I mean if you have a setup where you date up to 3 different girls in one night each week playing with probability JUST to get sex, it's a fucking obsession. You seriously don't need it that much and I promise you, men are not unfathomably horny. We've just been told we are.

On the other hand, how else do you classify general dating advice? Surely that's sexual strategy. What about advice regarding the actual act of sex? Much of which I have found helpful? Sexual strategy. Communication between my gf and I and our sexual needs and wants? Sexual strategy. So I guess it depends.

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual strategy is not just about the quantity of partners but also the quality

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean if you have a setup where you date up to 3 different girls in one night each week playing with probability JUST to get sex, it's a fucking obsession.

TRP strategy seems to be playing the shotgun vs the sniper rifle. When you have that bad of aim a shotgun really does help because you couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with anything else.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

No. Just ones seen through a paradigm of one gender being better than the other.

[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

That would suppose both genders are the same, which they aren't. The only way the genders could be equal is if they were designed to be different, which we weren't. You can say an alligator isn't better than a deer because nature designed them for totally different purposes. You can't say male and female humans are the same; they clearly are not.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Equal =/= identical

[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly what I said, and exactly why you're wrong.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

So referring to women as retarded whores doesn't imply that you consider them lesser, rather than just different?

[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago* (24 children) | Copy Link

Are you talking about TRP's stance on women? They certainly consider women lesser, not equal. Feminism certainly considers men lesser, not equal...

I don't know what you're referring to. Your point implied men and women are equal. I responded by suggesting that they objectively are not. You replied that equal does mean mean identical. I replied suggesting that that does not counter what I said, it agrees with it, and contradicts your position because you can compare a female and a male human. You cannot compare and alligator to a deer.

Male humans are made to be something. Do'ers, leaders, conquerors, thinkers, artists, created to bring tangible value to ourselves and others. Studies of primates and the effects of testosterone and brain chemistry differences in male and females demonstrate this. Women, on the other hand are basically just baby factories to motivate those men do that. If your genes are good, you win a baby factory; your genes get to survive.

Men make value. Women consume value. Those are not equal charges.

This, however, is an entirely different direction for the discussion than "Is TRP, as a sexual strategy designed through the paradigm of one gender being better than the other ok?". To counter your actual premise, I'd first say TRP is suggesting there is a gender war, and it's in men's best interest to be the winners if they want to be happy. Women aren't your friends, they're an active obstacle and therefore, they should treat women accordingly because that's the most expedient and pragmatic way to get the 3 things they care about: success, sex, respect.

So, what are you actually proposing, because your post just alludes to this being "bad" for unspecified reasons.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

TRP is suggesting there is a gender war, and it's in men's best interest to be the winners if they want to be happy.

More confirmation that I'd like to just sit on the sidelines with a beer and any other people that like spectator sports and watch you all go to war and laugh at both sides.

Women aren't your friends

Of course they won't be. TRP tactics are the fastest way to alienate women that could possibly be your friends.

they should treat women accordingly because that's the most expedient and pragmatic way to get the 3 things they care about: success, sex, respect.

  • Success: Has nothing to do with the other gender. My success came from my education.

  • Sex: Came without treating women like I'm at war with them.

  • Respect: Again. Get a lot of respect because I don't treat women like I'm at war with them.

[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

More confirmation that I'd like to just sit on the sidelines with a beer and any other people that like spectator sports and watch you all go to war and laugh at both sides.

Ok?

Of course they won't be. TRP tactics are the fastest way to alienate women that could possibly be your friends.

The general population of women disagree. I don't understand people who make this argument...TRP is modelled after the behavior and success of men women are by and large choosing the fuck, to teach men who aren't Chad Thundercock naturally what is required to be like that. Most of the men I know who were the best by far with women didn't even like women that much. One guy verbally admitted he hated women. Liking women has nothing to do with being successful with women. Hell, you don't even have to like your friends to be friends with them...you can be friends with an axe murderer if you really want to. Like,... when I write a response to someone, I sit there, read what they're saying, evaluate the logical conclusions and formulate my response...do you not do this?

Success: Has nothing to do with the other gender. My success came from my education.

If you define education by nothing more than education, you're probably not very successful at being a worthwhile human being. You can achieve success via education with nothing more than a pretty face and giving your professors blowjobs. There was a very interesting and famous /r/Confession about a woman who got through highschool, university, landed a dream job at a prestigious company and became a high ranking board member of some kind by pretty much doing nothing but fucking the right people and defaming the right people to the people she was fucking.

"I'm successful because I can beat a scantron" is not very successful.

Sex: Came without treating women like I'm at war with them.

Respect: Again. Get a lot of respect because I don't treat women like I'm at war with them.

Then provide your super, superior in every way alternative to TRP, write books about it, make blogs and subreddits about it and all the TRP incels will use that instead, and fix all their problems, and they won't hate women anymore, and everyone will finally be happy.

If you have a superior solution than that which is exploding on the internet in a world wide phenomenon, why are you not providing it?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

TRP is modelled after the behavior and success of men women are by and large choosing the fuck

TRP is modelled[sic] after behaving like the men a certain subset of women choose to fuck in order to fuck those women. It completely ignores all other women or entertaining the idea that TRP strategy will fail to pick up those women.

It's explaining how to 'attract insects' by giving instructions on how to attract ants and then saying "see it works, look at all of these ants insects". Ignoring the fact that other types of insects exist.

Then provide your super, superior in every way alternative to TRP.

I did at the bottom of this thread.

write books about it, make blogs and subreddits about it and all the TRP incels will use that instead

Because I really don't care enough to get you laid. I've seen my strategy implemented by plenty of other people.

Not to mention other people do and all TRP do is crap on it as "NUH UH UN POSSIBLE" because it's not an immediate "here and now" strategy but is the long game.

TRP is running a sprint while life is a marathon.

The general population of women disagree

No, the general population of women that are attracted to who TRP models to be disagree that non-TRP tactics won't attract them. Again, self-fulfilling prophesy.

If you define education by nothing more than education, you're probably not very successful at being a worthwhile human being.

Well what's a worthwhile human being? I make $100k from my couch doing contract engineering. I married someone that would have never responded to TRP tactics and I'm incredibly happy with my life.

If you have a superior solution than that which is exploding on the internet in a world wide phenomenon, why are you not providing it?

I did, I responded to OP's question.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

a certain subset of women choose to fuck

Yes, that subset is called the majority. Even if the rough percentage is as low as 51% the strategies work consistently enough to be relied upon as a generalization for most men. TRP has never claimed to be 100% successful on 100% of women. Only bloopers claim AWALT is concrete- anyone who actually pays attention at TRP knows that it is a generalization that exists on a spectrum.

[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I read your post and you offered no actual method beyond "get rich; make friends with women"...That's not going to change the world bud, so we'll put that aside and I'll comment on your other points.

I make $100k from my couch

So does Justin Beiber.

Because I really don't care enough to get you laid

Interesting that you assume because I disagree with you, I must be an incel.

TRP is modelled[sic] after behaving like the men a certain subset of women choose to fuck in order to fuck those women. It completely ignores all other women or entertaining the idea that TRP strategy will fail to pick up those women.

It's explaining how to 'attract insects' by giving instructions on how to attract ants and then saying "see it works, look at all of these ants insects". Ignoring the fact that other types of insects exist.

No, the general population of women that are attracted to who TRP models to be disagree that non-TRP tactics won't attract them. Again, self-fulfilling prophesy.

As someone's who's particularly well off, and probably got your gf mostly via that reason, I don't think you're in a particular objective position to be judging that. That being said, I have never experienced women being attracted to anything other than what TRP suggests. I have met a lot of women in my day and every single one of them validates AWALT or I would never have bothered finding these communities. If anyone can show me a woman who is attracted to a man for reasons that contradict TRP, I of course would be extremely interested in that.

...people aren't TRP because it feels cool...they're TRP because logic and intellectual honesty demands they be one. TRP being true is actually an inconvenience for me, not a positive thing I want to validate constantly.

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[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Notice how you were unable to respond to the paragraph, so you instead opted to suggest I not procreate.

And you wonder why TRP's think so poorly of you...

I'm serious, do you see how that reply would cause more men to turn against you, not agree with you against me? If your goal being here as a BluePill feminist to try to have some kind of impact or understand, you should probably aim to do better than that.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because your paragraph is a load of horseshit. The fact that you honestly believe that women have no purpose besides incubation of babies is cray cray outside of all by the most indoctrinated quiverfull type cults

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because your paragraph is a load of horseshit.

Then you should have no problem at all seriously refuting his claims. But instead you resort to shaming. I'm not sure if that says more about the legitimacy of what he's saying or your lack of ability to discuss such things.

[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I said that's what's you're naturally built to do, I didn't say that's literally every woman ever. I have female friends who I view as a lot more valuable than most males and I've known males who were useless pieces of shit. My paragraph served to demonstrate that our biological charges are not equal; men are objectively designed to be better than you. You can't deny that anymore than I can deny women are are doing way better in society than men are in the modern age.

Second, what I said is pretty much the base crux of TRP, so if you honestly think it's nutso-speak what are you actually doing here?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your sadness does not disprove his point. In fact it validates a RP vein of thought: that people reject TRP due to emotions not logic. Well done.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that these women are fighting back, rather than accepting rape as their lot in life disproves red pill.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, and that's why there is no equality. Men and women value different things so even if men and women are overall equal, but different they would provide completely different levels of value depending on what the person judging them is seeking.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The current drive is for equity, not equality.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And where is this equity supposed to come from? Life simply isn't fair, and you can't force people to want things they don't. Everyone picks up some form of bias based on their experiences and upbringing- no one is impartial.

[–]cocaine_faceRed Pill Man3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Better? Whose sexual strategy is saying that one gender is better than the other?

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The one who insists that women are shallow, useless, manipulative, retarded moist holes.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Those are almost all close to correct...only useless and retarded are not traits of women.

That leaves shallow, ,manipulative moist holes.

But honestly...are you implying that feminism is more kind in their views of man's usefulness than TRP is of women? SERIOUSLY...is that what you are trying to say...because if so.."that is cray cray outside of all by the most indoctrinated [ ] cults"...of which feminism is one...so...i guess there is that.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They do. Sometimes they're even serious about it. When you realize that a generation ago, a woman couldn't even open her own bank account, you might understand the context a little better, though.

[–]cocaine_faceRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are shallow. So are men. That's just how it works. They're shallow in slightly different, but overlapping ways.

Who said women are useless? Women are plenty useful.

Women are manipulative. So are men. I feel women are better manipulators on average, but I don't see that as being a negative at all. I wish I was a top notch manipulator.

TRP's general impression is that women are smarter, on average, than men, but that the variance in men is higher.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

If not, what are some alternatives to TRP?

Making friends with women. Going out to bars with them. Having them introduce you to their friends. And their friends. Once you reach 2 degrees of separation you don't risk alienating your friends and most of them will.

It takes an investment and is a while before the dividends start paying off but it's like saving for retirement.

  • TBP: Oh bother. I don't have any money and can't get anything nice.

  • TRP: Free credit cards! Sure it may come back to bite me in the end but I get a nice TV today!

  • Me: I'm going to save a bunch of money early and not buy anything but retire early.

Depending on how I tell my story I took schrödinger's pill. To TRP I'd probably be a king of the Betas or even a 'Gamma'. I haven't read enough on TBP to know where I'd really fit in their minds.

You can be both the nice guy and the guy that gets laid. They're not mutually exclusive. The best part about my strategy is I'd rather be 10/10 than 10/1000. Sure you get the same number but you do it without being a dick to 990 people.

Edit: Ooo. -1. I've done something right. Someone in TRP is mad this strategy actually works and they might possibly be wrong.

[–]mykonos_rmTRP WEE!12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

What you've described makes me picture a man who's stuck in middle management trying to rationalize his situation while watching the young guns leap frog him up the ladder

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

leap frog him up the latter

The latter of what two situations?

rationalize his situation

My situation is amazing. The only thing I wished I could have done differently is figured my method out earlier. But it's neither TRP or TBP. And to not put pussy on a pedestal.

Aside from that in my absolute current situation I wouldn't change a thing. I'm married to someone that makes 2.5x what I do (which according other threads I've seen is DOOM), I get to be a stay at home husband with my own side contract job.

[–]Wadaliacha3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you this guy?

[–]_ArchitectofThought_I hate a great many things, but I suffer them all the same2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God damn I love Owen Cook. I met him. Awesome guy.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why not both?

First you're going to better define 'white knight'. I don't "white knight" (or what I assume you think is white knighting) for anyone I don't know. They're adults and can make their own decisions.

Running interference is with my friends that ask for it hilariously entertaining. (It has also lead to a fight or two from guys who couldn't take the hint that they weren't interested).

But the best way to get laid is to have a good time. Go out, have fun. Ask your friends if any of their cursory friends are looking to hook up and for an introduction. And they can spin you any way they see fit.

It's also why Lesbians make the best wingmen. They help you be a Trojan horse to a group of straight unknowns and you can throw yourself under the bus for them to act as icebreakers to other lesbians.

[–]Wadaliacha1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think you're understanding of what you're talking about is lacking to such an extent you're now advocating the very concepts one might come across within trp.

But the best way to get laid is to have a good time

Go there right now and look and the front page... tell me what you see.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

very concepts one might come across within trp.

Possibly. The problem with TRP thinking is you think it applies to a gender and not a subset of a gender.

You can apply the theory behind TRP concepts without the methodology of which TRP promotes doing so and without being a dick (which ihmo most TRP methodology promotes).

The problem with spinning plates is you have to keep spinning them, otherwise they lose momentum and fall off.

I certainly wouldn't have landed my wife with any of the advice I've seen in TRP.

Go there right now and look and the front page... tell me what you see.

[Mod] The Red Pill is not democratic. It cannot be in order to be a viably beneficial system for men.

It can be democratic. It's easy. You ask women what they want. Tada. Democratic.

Hypergamy 101 - Women See Men the Way Men See Jobs

No. People see other people the way some people see jobs. Inserting Gender into it has nothing to do with it.

Why men aren't helping women and children anymore: Woman sparks a witch hunt after a man takes a selfie near her children.

Wife just told me about this and it's retarded. Something I'm genuinely concerned about with my kids since I have an SLR and will likely bring it to the playground when they're old enough.

The end goal is to be fun, not stoic.

Having a strong enough mental wall to make yourself unaffected by pain and suffering doesn't mean your life will be awesome.

My female friends have seen me cry. I've been the epitome of what TRP would probably consider Beta. But it makes me human to my friends.

No girl wants you to bore them over some cliche fucking dinner with your philosophical ideas on life.

Of course some do. Some don't.

Girls want...

  • To pound shots and grind up on your dick in the dance floor

Absolutely not for some and doing so will be the quickest way to never see the inside of their bedroom.

[–]Wadaliacha1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

you think

Don't pretend to know what I think, or what experiences I have had. Should I tell you about the nice school teacher? Or that crazy party chick? or that business professional? Or that... all types man all types.

without being a dick

How does one define being a dick? Such insults are said to those who do not behave within the confounds of what society is currently deeming to be socially acceptable behavior. It works too, if only you'd believe me when I told you about all the times I was being such a dick and not long after the person who thought I was being such a dick, got such a dick. You didn't do exactly what I wanted? He's such a dick! (read as he's strong, independent, and a leader) Want to hear about my weekend?

you have to keep spinning them,

Don't tell me what I do, but... I thought you were all for experiencing people, having fun, going on dates and all that. No one stops these women from walking away, they keep coming back because they enjoy themselves.

You ask women what they want.

And what they tell you is, for the most part, utter BS and the reason TRP exists. If it were only as easy as asking a wife what one can do to get her to put out again, but you can continue to be naive.

Inserting Gender into it has nothing to do with it.

Yes inserting gender into a sub based on sexual strategy is silly. /s Reading first does a body good.

My female friends have seen me cry.

There might be a reason there your friends and not people you're hooking up with, a reason you rely on them to set you up with their friends. If any of those "friends" of yours actually respected you as a man you'd be getting it from them, but instead you rationalize your strategy so you don't have to face the fact the women you're friends with look down on you and out of pity sometimes introduce you to their friends. Here's a harsh truth, if they thought you were a good catch, they'd want you for themselves.

As to the last two, good job on cherry picking a few things out of context.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Or that... all types man all types.

Same type. Different professions.

I thought you were all for experiencing people, having fun, going on dates and all that.

Woa, who said anything about going on dates? I'm talking about getting laid. There's no reason to invest into an entire date to get laid. You ask your friends who is looking to get laid that night, go out to the bars and ask them for an introduction.

And what they tell you is, for the most part, utter BS and the reason TRP exists.

No. If what they tell you is BS it's because they don't trust you enough to not lie to you.

If it were only as easy as asking a wife what one can do to get her to put out again

When that becomes a problem I'll get back to you.

If any of those "friends" of yours actually respected you as a man you'd be getting it from them

Why would I want it from them? They're my friends. I'd want it from them as much as I'd want it from one of my male friends. Have you tried approaching women like people and not somewhere to get laid?

The problem is you'll never get to where I am because your TRP tactics will alienate women and you won't be introduced to friends they know are looking to get laid that night.

if they thought you were a good catch, they'd want you for themselves.

Or we recognize that I'm not their type nor are they mine.

out of pity sometimes introduce you to their friends

So I introduce them to my friends because I pitty them and their inability to get laid?

[–]Wadaliacha0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Same type. Different professions.

You cannot say whether or not this is true do to something you feel. I was there, you were not. Rationalize your world view however you'd like, but you cannot discount experience do to feelings.

No. If what they tell you is BS it's because they don't trust you enough to not lie to you.

You cannot say whether or not this is true do to something you feel. I was there, you were not. Rationalize your world view however you'd like, but you cannot discount experience do to feelings.

When that becomes a problem I'll get back to you.

but others have this problem, a problem which has repeatedly been shown to be solved by the tactics you apparently loath.

Have you tried approaching women like people and not somewhere to get laid?

Every day. Such is a weak argument, dur hur have you tried treating them like humans? No I treat bitches like badder cus bitches love cake.

Or we recognize that I'm not their type nor are they mine.

Yes, my point exactly, you're not their type.

So I introduce them to my friends because I pity them and their inability to get laid?

I don't know why you do stupid shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

experience do to feelings

Have you made it past highschool yet? I honestly think this is the first time I've ever seen anyone screw up 'due' and 'do'. 4 times.

No I treat bitches like badder cus bitches love cake.

I don't doubt you treat women bad.

In the few TRP loudest replies here you guys have screwed up ladder (latter), batter (badder) and due (do). Do you always spell everything phonetically? I'm starting to get a grasp on who the TRP type is and I realize interacted with them many a time IRL.

It's hilarious watching you fall flat on your face with women that don't respond to your strategy. You chalk it up to them being "bitches" and move on to one that it does work on. And then your echo chamber is 'confirmed' and you continue.

Yes, my point exactly, you're not their type.

And they're not mine. What are you not understanding about this? Or have you honestly never had a female friend with whom you didn't want to have sex with?

I don't know why you do stupid shit.

Well then, so now what I do for my friends is 'stupid shit'?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

Is TBP fundamentally opposed to sexual strategy in general?

Nah

what are some alternatives to TRP?

Dr Nerdlove, /r/seduction, Art of Manliness, Men's Fitness, etc. There's tons of dating advice out there.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Dr Nerdlove

You're kidding, right?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No. There's some bad advice along with plenty of good advice. Sorta like TRP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Here's the difference.

TRP has one objective: get laid. They will do whatever it takes to find out what women enjoy, and use it to help get men laid.

Women have the hots for chess players? We'll post a treatise on the Grünfeld Defense in our sidebar. Every week we'll analyze a GM-level game.

Women like skilled gamers? We'll post Unsw LoL Soc and Skillcapped videos and teach you to become Diamond in LoL.

Women want educated, erudite men? We'll spend all day discussing every famous author from Bacon to Foucault. We'll teach you to become a true Renaissance man.

Alas, women like big, burly, alpha dudebros, so that's the archetype we hope to emulate.

In contrast, Doctor Nerdlove has a different objective: proselytize feminism. He will do whatever it takes to sell feminism to people, getting laid be damned.

GamerGate has literally nothing to do with seducing women, and yet Nerdlove wrote a small book on the matter. On the same issue, he seems to enjoy writing articles attacking "nice guys," "socially awkward" men, and "geek culture.

And that's because his objective is to sell feminism. Furthermore, this plays into how he advises men to get laid: accept feminism, be a male feminist, and then you'll get laid.

He reminds me a lot of Christian missionaries in the 3rd world (most notably in Nepal right now): abandon your heathen faiths and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you will receive salvation in this world and the next!

Actually, I would say he's worse than those missionaries. They at least provide aid to suffering people. That's more than I can say for DNL.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TRP has one objective: get laid.

Really? That's weird. Because I could swear that I constantly see posts on TRP talking about stuff other than getting laid. Like the top post on your sub right now. Or the top post of all time on your sub. If the only objective of TRP is to get laid, why do you guys constantly post shit that has nothing to do with sex?

You guys have as big of an agenda as Dr Nerdlove does. You just don't notice it because you agree with TRP's political views.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol good point. I don't really read TRP much anymore, to be honest. Lot of noise that obscures the signal.

However, I would argue that a lot of these posts try to put the reader in the mindset of becoming a successful player. For example, in the posts you linked, people talk about avoiding gold diggers and being willing to treat women justly rather than supplicating to them.

Well, to your point, perhaps Doctor Nerdlove also aims to put people in what he feels is the right mindset to get laid. I guess I disagree with him based on efficacy: it would appear that The Red Pill's mindsets are much more successful than feminist ones.

That said, I disagree with you that TRP has a political agenda. The problem is that the political composition of TRP is pretty much all over the map. On one hand, you have the reactionary crowd. On the other, you have garden variety traditional conservatives. On yet another (and I would wager this is the most prevalent Redpill political view), you have rightist-libertarians, the dominant ideology on Reddit. On yet another, you have me, and I would describe myself as a centrist-conservative.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Did you know that seddit used to be hated on with as much vitriol as TRP?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Why would I give a shit what SRS hates?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Same people, same language as those that hate TRP.

[–]meehan666 6 points6 points6 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There is much overlap between SRS and TBP posters. Furthermore, I believe there are some SRS mods that also mod at TBP.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

SRS hates everything. I don't see how they're relevant to what we're talking about.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

SRS hates everything.

Untrue.

I don't see how they're relevant to what we're talking about.

That's fine.

[–]cincilatorPurple Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What is SRS? I am unfamiliar with the acronym.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

/r/shitredditsays. They're a circlejerk sub that makes fun of reddit's homophobia, racism, sexism, etc. They're easily offended and not well liked on this site.

[–]cincilatorPurple Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dr Nerdlove,

The site that has an overwhelmingly female readership? http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/doctornerdlove.com

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Watch what they do, not what they say!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dr. Nerdlove

God I hate that guy just based off his name alone. Like I was supposed to trust a motherfucker that calls himself Dr. Nerdlove to teach me how to get pussy.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right, you should only get sexual advice from online groups whose names reference action movies from the 90s.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is the '10s equivalent of those sleazy pickup artists from the 80s. Same echo chamber, new medium.

[–]stats1353 points4 points5 points 11 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

dating advice

Here's your problem. They are DATING strategies not SEXUAL strategies. The whole point of a sexual strategy is to minimize the cost (money, time, and general effort of dating) to benefit (sex) ratio. Getting more dates without those dates translating to more sex is like getting more work hours without it translating to more money on the paycheck.

I think this is what really sets TRP apart from PUA. PUA only tries to increase sexual encounters, while TRP will try to increase sexual encounters per unit of time, money, and effort.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The whole point of a sexual strategy is to minimize the cost (money, time, and general effort of dating) to benefit (sex) ratio. Getting more dates without those dates translating to more sex is like getting more work hours without it translating to more money on the paycheck.

This is one of my big issues with TRP, you guys have to frame literally everything from an economic perspective. You're not interested in going on fun dates, having unique experiences, or meeting interesting people. You're just looking to get your dick wet in the shortest time and effort possible.

If that works for you, fine. But I feel like this advice would lead you to miss out on a whole lot of fun experiences because you're so concerned about sex all the time.

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

And then they wonder why the woman they pull are crappy but insist that AWALT, refusing to believe that others are having better success than them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a self fulfilling prophecy. The strategy lends itself to finding AWALT. So the more of the strategy they apply the more AWALT they see. So they apply more strategy and get more AWALT.

The thing with spinning plates is if you stop spinning them they fall off. It's a strategy that requires constant upkeep otherwise it fails.

[–]Wadaliacha3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The thing with spinning plates is if you stop spinning them they fall off. It's a strategy that requires constant upkeep otherwise it fails.

Such is true for literally anything.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Such is true for literally anything.

Not for all sexual strategies. My strategy requires no upkeep other than exactly what TRP says doesn't work. “Just be yourself” & “Be confident”.

I have vested nothing into spinning anything but would have no problem with sexual strategy should the situation arise.

[–][deleted] 0 points0 points0 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based on your responses. Not at all.

[–]cocaine_faceRed Pill Man3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In my tested experience, the faster you sleep with a woman, the more "into you" she'll be. That allows you to go on fun dates.

[–]RichardPalma-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is completely opposite my experience. If I also with a woman on the first date, it sets the expectation that it's a sexual relationship, and more often if you want to do other things, they aren't happy about it and it can cause the plate to crash. They don't want to spend a lot if time when they want to get laid either.

[–]cocaine_faceRed Pill Man2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just have never experienced that. Every time I fuck a girl, they want to make non-sex follow-up plans.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're not interested in going on fun dates, having unique experiences, or meeting interesting people. You're just looking to get your dick wet in the shortest time and effort possible.

Only one of those things requires a woman.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

None of those things require a woman.

But all those things are different when you're dating as opposed to when you're just hanging out with friends. When I go on a date I'm much more open minded about the kinds of activities I'll try. It's fun to have an excuse to do some touristy shit in a city you live in, or try a nice restaurant, or take a walk in a park on the other side of the city, or check out a subculture you've never experienced before. When you're with people you already know you tend to just stick with the things you're all comfortable with. But when you're with someone new, you're more likely to try new things. And I feel you'd miss that whole aspect of dating if the entire time you're just thinking "how is this going to help me get inside her?".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

None of those things require a woman.

One does for heterosexual men, which is what TRP is about, which is in turn what this subreddit is about.

When I go on a date I'm much more open minded about the kinds of activities I'll try.

Like, things that don't require a woman, if you know what I mean.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Getting more dates without those dates translating to more sex

Why not rely on strategy that requires no dates? I didn't realize TRP strategy had prerequisite of going on dates to get laid.

[–]cincilatorPurple Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

But then the easiest way to get sex would be to buy a hooker. Something I am not opposed to per se, but what use is Red Pill then?

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