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BP: If TRP has a bad understanding of women, then why are women noticing me more and more since I've taken the Red Pill?

true-player-69

April 18, 2015

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Hello this is not my main account, as I hear of bad things like doxxing. But I have found The Red Pill sub and since I have, I've been wayy more confident around women and more sexually confident. I've also worked to appear more unavailable (dread gaming?) and surprisingly, this makes girls interested in me even more it seems, like they wanna know more about me. I used to be the Disney type who thought showing big romantic gestures would get me romance, but sadly it seems The Red Pill has given me more success with women than I wish it did. Why am I more successful? Why is The Red Pill working on NORMAL, CONFIDENT women who The Blue Pill says The Red Pill shouldn't work on? Blue Pill says it should only work on insecure women however the girls I'm meeting are pretty secure with themselves. Why is this working??

EDIT: To clarify my age, 23 and in college, women are around 18-20.

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Title	BP: If TRP has a bad understanding of women, then why are women noticing me more and more since I've taken the Red Pill?
Author	true-player-69
Upvotes	15
Comments	128
Date	April 18, 2015 1:36 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/32zl3p/bp_if_trp_has_a_bad_understanding_of_women_then/
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Your false answer is not any more valid because I can't prescribe to you a fits-all-sizes answer to confidence in life. Asking for one is in itself unreasonable. If you were as much of an individualist as TRP professes its members to be, then you wouldn't be asking me what to do.

You make yourself a vulnerable demographic that is prey to con artists who will get you to pay for seminars, books, or videos showing you "exactly what to do." Wonder why this "information" isn't available anywhere else? Because it is snake oil for your insecurity. The reason why TRP/MRA related sites exist is because of click bait and donations that a few men profit from while furthering your problem.

If you want to be set free then don't take the red pill. Don't take any pill. Live your life without asking people how you should live it.

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I don't think you understand alpha and beta traits and behaviors. Even if you do, it brings back that point that since you're a woman, you lack the experiences and context of living as a man and what alpha and beta means to a man.

Living their best self or going on TRP isn't alpha or beta in themselves. There are men who employ alpha behavior and still go on TRP to learn how to become even better. There are men that cultivate their best selves(whatever that means) and still adhere to beta behavior.

Manliness is much more than that. Listening to other people's avenues to the success you want and applying it in your life to see results is part of manliness.

Again, I don't really think you can compare "success for both genders" to manliness, something that is exclusively for the male experience.

By taking TRP you're letting a lot of unsuccessful men tell you how to live your life.

Plenty of successful and unsuccessful men on TRP. Regardless, I study their advice, take what seems sensible, apply it in my own life, if it works I keep it, otherwise I keep repeating for more advice and updated information.

THAT IS ASSURADLY NOT LETTING OTHERS TELL YOU HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE.

Now if I listened to you and disregarded the TRP WITHOUT checking it out and evaluating it for myself, then I would be letting someone tell me how to live my life.

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I said you can't learn it not that it can't be explained. And there's way more to social intelligence than this one part. It's something you have to experience and learn fir yourself. When to pick up on social clues and what the appropriate respinset are. Sheesh..

I disagree with your assertion that something can be explained, but not "learned". You're making a distinction when there really isn't one. I "explain" something. If you internalize it, you "learn" it.

Experience is experience, and there's often no substitute for it, but this isn't a dichotomy. A person can "learn" things without experiencing them. On the same token, one can be "experienced", but not understand something.

of course you cab be needy when in puppy love stage, that's when it's appropriate to do so (to a degree). Just not when you are trying to attract someone / puck someone up. And you both have to be in the puppy love not just one.

Funny how you find it necessary to explain and educate further the "rules" of "social intelligence", after saying it can't be "learned" on the internet.

You stated in your post quite clearly that TRP isn't wrong many times; you simply dislike the "dumb" parts and the parts that make women look bad. You would rather push a kinder, gentler version of TRP that conveniently omits the parts that paint women in a bad light).

[–]RareBlur0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because knowing about it and applying the knowledge in the real world are two different things. You actually have to observe it. Most people learn it from when they start socializing in pre-school or daycare. Some people, however, fall somewhere on the autistic scale (even slightly), or maybe they were very shy as kids or somehow didn't socialize when they were young. Suddenly social intelligence becomes difficult to learn. I think of Sheldon on big bang, he knows all about social cues and norms but can't distinguish them when the example is right in front of him. It can take years to be able to "read" people if you've never done it well previously.

I also think people from different cultures experience the same thing. Social cues are a part of culture and it can be difficult to learn when you are somewhere new.

You stated in your post quite clearly that TRP isn't wrong many times; you simply dislike the "dumb" parts and the parts that make women look bad. You would rather push a kinder, gentler version of TRP that conveniently omits the parts that paint women in a bad light).

Funny because I absolutely wish there was.

Edit: I honestly feel for guys who just need some help in their life but I think TRP is too filled with hate to ever have long term benefit.

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Who on earth gets dating advice from memes?

I wanted to illustrate how pervasive that sort of thinking is - you may dismiss them as memes, but you got millions of women who say that this is exactly how they want to be treated and how men should treat women - either word by word or by reposting these shitty memes on their FB wall.

What I am saying here: your average clueless guy hears all the time that he has to behave that way (respectful, treat her like a princess, even more respectful, only have eyes for her, pedestalize her, be respectful, not neglect her, treat her like you would want your own daughter to be treated, be respectful, not hurting her, etc pp ad nauseam). What habits do you think is the poor sod going to develop under these circumstances?! If you say that this sort of thinking doesn't contribute to producing needy supplicating nice guys, you should go to hell for lying.

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Don't try to downplay "appear more unavailable or dread gaming". It's important for a reason.

For future readers,

It's not a "too cool for school" mentality women get from interacting with you. It's more like

"he must have other women available to him"
"he values his own time over me, thus he has more value than me in his eyes"
"since he's not available all the time, I have to work for his time/attention"

As for dread game, it's certainly not "the human fear of abandonment". It's more like

"He is so valuable, he can drop me anytime for someone better (more SMV and/or pleasant demeanor) IF I am not giving him incentive to stick with me"

It's not "the human fear of abandonment" if she knows why she would be abandoned and swapped with someone more appealing. And that doesn't always mean just looks, e.g. keeps in shape, pleasant to be with, enthusiastic/sexually generous.

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I see where you're confused.

If he walks away, that's a clear sign he is not interested in her body anymore, so entitlement is not applicable. By being entitled to her body, it means if she is to have sex with him, its on his terms and what he wants. Not all sex dynamics are like this, so I'm speaking from a dominant hetero male's perspective. He is entitled to her body when sex is wanted by both parties.

Thus, your two questions are not mutually exclusive. Of course you need consent from sex and you are entitled to her body to do the sexual things you want. If she consents, but doesn't like to do the sexual things you want, then compromise or kick her out.

Rapes happen because of rapists, not because a women can choose to accept or reject another persons sexual desires. Raping is very different from telling a women you want to dominate her body and she is free to take it or leave it.

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I've also worked to appear more unavailable

Playing hard to get is the oldest trick in the book. Surprise, it works incredibly well on women as it does on men. I do it all the time and so does my husband, it keeps the romance alive. That's also not dread game.

I used to be the Disney type who thought showing big romantic gestures would get me romance

I can't believe there are people who actually do this. Fucking hell, I'm married and neither my husband or I do this for one another.

Why am I more successful?

I don't know, you haven't given us anything to evaluate. I don't know what you do to pick up women. Are you an attractive guy? Are you really good at making conversation? Are you fun to be around? All you've said is that you've gotten more confident and now women pay attention to you. Confidence is sexy, that's not very shocking.

CONFIDENT women

women are around 18-20.

One of these things is not like the other.

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