Why do most redpillers have a thing for the 1950s lifestyle?

[deleted] · 2015-02-28T21:00:51+00:00

I don't. The 50's sucked for men just as much as errybody else. Try to 'spin plates' in 1951. Maybe if you're james bond.

TrentVanJames · 2015-03-01T01:22:21+00:00

Well you had second-wave feminism and female "sexual liberation" in the 1960s and 70s. So for the "modern American era," this is pretty much when our "Leave it To Beaver/I Love Lucy" family norms started fraying.

Is everyone on TRP actually yearning for a return to the 1950s? Nah. But there is a criticism of second- and third-feminism for promoting societal changes and acting ignorant of some of the consequences.

For two quick examples: "Women should go to college, have high-powered careers, and be the primary breadwinner!" TRP then says, "OK, but are women going to actually be attracted to men with a lower financial status than them? What are you doing about the fact that there's still a large stigma for being a SAHD? And why the implicit criticism of women who actually would be very happy just being a homemaker and raising a family?"

Another example: Women should have full sexual liberation, and any criticism of a woman's sexual choices is slut-shaming!" TRP then says, "OK, well, I seem to be able to sleep with a lot of these 'sexually liberated' women, who then dismiss me because I don't meet some standards of income/property ownership/etc. So basically there are a lot of women that will sleep with me but not date me, and there are a lot of guys those same women will date but not sleep with. Are you sure you guys think this is the best system? Really? OK, well, I guess AWALT!"

Really, it's all just different ways to say this: "look, it's great and all you want to shatter these 'social constructs,' but do you realize there's some collateral damage going on here?" And two of the main catalysts for the destruction of said social constructs were things like second-wave feminism and sexual liberation in the 1960s and 1970s. Hence the apparent nostalgia for the 1950s.

Now, of course, the actual TRP subreddit is not making this point with nearly as much nuance. Since it's nowhere remotely near a coordinated movement for social change, all you see is a lot of "LOOK AT THIS RAGING SLUT HAHAHAHA FEMINISM YOU HAVE REAPED WHAT YOU'VE SOWN." So I can see your confusion here.

MissPearl · 2015-03-01T01:57:17+00:00

They don't- a reasonable proportion of TRP either harken to a time before feminism as the change that requires them to start behaving poorly, while RPW gets frustrated that they feel their particularly ideal for women isn't popular right now. Slightly different, but you're not going to get anywhere using reductionary snark from non-rps, kind of like if you asked antiabortion people why they hate choice.

dragoness_leclerq · 2015-02-28T22:39:55+00:00

Personally, I've got a raging ladyboner for the 1550s. Dat Tudor period...

cxj · 2015-02-28T22:23:58+00:00

I have a thing for the 1850's, does that count?

tepper2 · 2015-02-28T21:00:41+00:00

TIL that I have a thing for the 1950s apparently.

thedude122487 · 2015-02-28T20:50:26+00:00

The only people i see mentioning the 50s are BP when they claim rpw want to be "50s housewives". The 1950's people envision comes from Betty freidan and leftist propaganda, it was never like that.

sh1v · 2015-02-28T21:19:46+00:00

You need to stop jerking off other blue pillers. Blue pillers are the ones drawing comparisons between RP and the 1950s most RPers are oblivious.

[deleted] · 2015-03-01T21:26:32+00:00

I suspect that most people have a ridiculously over-simplified view of the 1950s fed by a combination of a few nostalgia movies and a bunch of post-1960s propaganda. So "the fifties" are either this idyllic time where everything is gosh-darn nice or it's this horrendously repressive time in which no deviation from some apple-pie suburban norm was tolerated.

The real 1950s were nothing like this.

Bakerofpie · 2015-03-01T21:49:32+00:00

I dunno, but the fashion was ON POINT.

SirNemesis · 2015-02-28T20:44:43+00:00

it was before the sexual revolution when ALL women werent cock loving sluts. apparently women didnt enjoy sex in the 1950's

SirNemesis · 2015-02-28T23:58:52+00:00

Median age of first marriage was 23 for men, and 20 for women. That suggests it was a much better SMP, although we should be wary of viewing it through rose-tinted glasses.

[deleted] · 2015-02-28T21:48:43+00:00

The only correlation between TRP and the 1950's is that Red Pill men are cognizant of their power: physically, mentally and spiritually. Most of us aren't confused about who we are or what we should be, or what society expects us to be (let alone care). We're self aware, and a lot of people don't like that we're not easily manipulated anymore.

We know what we want from ourselves and from women, and we take steps to achieve those goals. Men in the 1950's had clear cut lines that they tended to follow, instead of today where men (and women, indeed all people) just kind of....float around in a warm-water bath of forced positivity and total acceptance of everything and everyone. TRP men just nurture and follow their nature, rather than trying to squelch it to appease cultural norms.

namae_nanka · 2015-03-01T04:16:26+00:00

1950s was the greatest era of America, all downhill from there.

b-but women were in homes, blacks were in the ghetto and the homos in their bathhouses, so it was them evil timesss

[deleted] · 2015-03-01T09:15:20+00:00

if you're refferring to the deinzens of that sub, god only knows. but technically speaking MRAs and mgtows have also 'taken the red pill' and have no interest in returning to those gender norms.

arcanehobb · 2015-03-02T11:49:03+00:00

Why do people think that patriarchical attitudes are 1950's ? Why not 1930's, 1870's or 600 fucking BCE? This is not an ever changing fashion: it is more like feminism did not exist for thousands of years, then in recent decades it does. Actually in the 1950's feminism was already bubbling more than a decade before.

meehan666 · 2015-03-01T09:19:06+00:00

Well after the horrors that were the 40s, with millions of men dying because of world war II, the 50s were generally peaceful. No world wars to speak of and superpowers only engaged in proxy wars.

Nitzi · 2015-02-28T22:35:09+00:00

Because they are traditionalists, ironically this is bad for the famous numbers game.

Aerobus · 2015-03-01T03:48:37+00:00

Because it worked. The man knew his place, the kids were raised properly, and most importantly, the woman knew her place.

Also, our society was better then. There weren't as many obese uneducated idiots running around wanting to live in a welfare state. Yes, there was racism. Yes, there was poverty. But on average I think the 1950s was better.

Title	Why do most redpillers have a thing for the 1950s lifestyle?
Author	arcanehobb
Upvotes	8
Comments	51
Date	February 28, 2015 8:12 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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