Either pills-bodies to what extent do you relate to these criteria for sociopathy?

[deleted] · 2014-11-04T11:02:59+00:00

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SirNemesis · 2014-11-03T21:53:27+00:00

Does not feel drawn to conform to social behavioural norms.

Nerd here, so yes.

Exhibits charm and intelligence.

Intelligence? Absolutely. Charm? Absolutely not.

Uses deception, partial truth, exagerration and misdirection to achieve aims.

I'm usually a straight-shooter, but I can deceive people if the need arises.

Acts decisively, including sometimes impulsively.

Decisively? Sure. Impulsively? Never.

Demonstrates assertive behaviour verging on aggressiveness.

No.

Effective communicator and rarely lost for words.

Nope.

Rarely regrets actions or their impact of others. Does not feel remorse, shame or guilt.

I tend to feel strong remorse or guilt.

Enjoys controlling situations and people.

Situations? Yes. People? No.

FollowThisAdvice · 2014-11-04T14:07:37+00:00

I think I fit more in line with the red pill but I don't identify with their dumb little subreddit.

Not drawn to social behavioral norms at all.
I exhibit intelligence far more than charm. I'm more Machiavellian. Don't give a shit about anything than finishing the job and finishing it well. Fuck your ethnicity. Fuck your gender. Fuck your feelings. That goes both ways.
No. Deception is for the weak people that find themselves in unfavorable positions. When I'm wrong or in a shifty spot I own up to it.
Absolutely. I know the Myers Briggs personality typing is largely bullshit but I am an intuitive according to that.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, I rarely regret things. I made the best decision I could make at any given time; there's nothing to regret. That being said, I'm capable of the emotions.
Yes, but only when I know how to get the job done. Every group needs a leader for a task and I make a great one. I'll concede when I know I'm out of my domain.

I think a true alpha doesn't answer these questions. True alphas don't care where they fall on such a continuum. Why are we all on this subreddit? Because to some degree we recognize power in society and want to influence. The TRPers think they're losing power, and want everyone to think twice about the efforts of feminism. The blue pillers think that things still have a ways to go. The true alpha, by nature of being in power at any given point, has nothing to worry about. His power will always exist.

OP: this post sucks. There's an underlying notion here, that you're passive aggressively insinuating red pill men are a lot like sociopaths. You're using the connotation of sociopath to try to influence people. Lame. Be more direct with your insults.

[deleted] · 2014-11-03T21:24:46+00:00

Hmm, for me,

It depends on the context, I think for myself but have no problem with reasonable social norms
Somewhat relate, depends on the people I am around
Don't relate at all, I am honest to a fault
Don't relate at all, I am pretty deliberate
Don't relate at all. That has never been how I operate
It depends on the context. I am generally good with words though.
Don't relate at all. I feel guilt more strongly than most people
I enjoy it rarely, but in that case, that is what gaming is for.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2014-11-03T21:33:03+00:00

Very accurate.
What's that about the eye of the beholder again? It depends on the group.
In my experience, I use these to a MUCH less degree than average.
I always act decisively, but never impulsively.
Guilty.
I like to think so.
Sometimes I think I should have been born Catholic.
Usually I would rather have control than not, however there are a tonne of situations that I don't care about, and I never have any desire to interact with, let alone control them.

MissPearl · 2014-11-03T21:37:19+00:00

1) Sometimes. Depends on the norms now doesn't it though?

2) Sometimes. I seem to be okay.

3) Not unless I'm playing a game.

4) Nope. Think everything to death.

5) Rawr! Grrr! Um... Yes.

6) Yup.

7) Haha, oh dear no. I shame spiral all the damn time.

8) Love it.

17b29a · 2014-11-03T21:58:47+00:00

1 true 2 sometimes 3-8 no

Reginleifer · 2014-11-03T22:01:46+00:00

It depends on the context, I think for myself but have no problem with reasonable social norms

1) Sometimes. Depends on the norms now doesn't it though?

We might as well get this out of the way and disqualify number 1. Nobody feels any obligation to follow "unreasonable" social norms.....

Problem is ask a traditional Catholic family in Guatemala, the moderate Methodist voter in Texas, or an atheist trisexual otherkin liberal fairy boy in Sweden what "reasonable" is and you get as diverse the answers as the participants.

Is opposition to norms outside your own really a reliable marker of sociopathy?

I don't feel that a parent ought to be legally prohibited from paternity testing for example, and if I were a Frenchman I'd send a test to Poland without any guilt. On the other hand many leftists believe it is ok to physically assault or throw sprinkles at many anti-gay politicians, and justify this because supposedly the laws they propose are "unreasonable"..... the same support they threw behind the degenerate outlaw group "Pussy Riot" who reportedly did some pretty nasty things in public with a frozen chicken leg. :/

According to them I would be a sociopath for breaking a law, because I show disregard to social norms which states there is a cultural, not a biological father......... but they are ok, because they are fighting "unreasonable" social norms, no matter how reprehensible or degenerate their behavior.

I'm just stating that either we're all a bit sociopathic in that regard, or it's not a reliable measurement of sociopathy.

GODZILLAFLAMETHROWER · 2014-11-03T22:15:38+00:00

I'm blue.

Does not feel drawn to conform to social behavioural norms.

Who is anyway?

Exhibits charm and intelligence.

Charming to some people, and in general considered to be intelligent

Uses deception, partial truth, exagerration and misdirection to achieve aims.

False

Acts decisively, including sometimes impulsively.

Not impulsive at all.

Demonstrates assertive behaviour verging on aggressiveness.

Depends on the context.

Effective communicator and rarely lost for words.

Generally true

Rarely regrets actions or their impact of others. Does not feel remorse, shame or guilt.

Generally false

Enjoys controlling situations and people.

It depends.

[deleted] · 2014-11-03T23:05:38+00:00

Blue

Definitely applies.
Yes. Genuine charm though.
No, that's manipulation.
Decisively? Yes. Impulsively? No.
I'm fairly assertive but far from agressive.
Eh, I stutter sometimes. I'm a great communicator in my head though.
Does not apply at all.
Controlling situations? Depends heavily on the context. Controlling people? Nope.

[deleted] · 2014-11-04T01:33:11+00:00

Blue pill

It depends on the norm. Those I feel don't negatively affect anyone, I don't feel particularly compelled to follow.
I like to think so, but I try to use them to make social interaction easier for other people, too.
Nope. I think the only time I've not told the truth has been out of laziness (someone asks me a question including the wrong answer and I don't care to have more conversation than necessary)
Yes and no. I can be really indecisive until I actually make a decision, then I stick to it. Sometimes that process happens very quickly.
No. I mostly stick up for myself and then go my own way if things don't.
Yes, except for a few heartfelt conversations with my fiancee where I wasn't sure which words adequately conveyed my feelings.
Absolutely not. I'm generally keenly aware of my impact on others and take it into account.
Nope. I'm content to control myself and make my way through situations.

McCaber · 2014-11-04T07:44:20+00:00

Blue, diagnosed on the autism spectrum.

1 - no
2 - yes
3 - yes
4 - yes
5 - no
6 - yes
7 - no
8 - yes

So I have the potential to be a terrible person, but I put a lot of effort into being moral.

adrixshadow · 2014-11-04T08:59:00+00:00

Does not feel drawn to conform to social behavioural norms.

No I am not a fucking lemming.

Exhibits charm and intelligence.

Intelligence. Yes Charm. Debatable.

Uses deception, partial truth, exagerration and misdirection to achieve aims.

While I'm the opinion of then end justify the means, I fucking hate lies.

Acts decisively, including sometimes impulsively.

Not me, unfortunately.

Demonstrates assertive behaviour verging on aggressiveness.

Sure if I am riled up.

Effective communicator and rarely lost for words.

Debatable.

Rarely regrets actions or their impact of others. Does not feel remorse, shame or guilt.

If you are wrong, I will crush your feelings.

Enjoys controlling situations and people.

In other word being a man.

[deleted] · 2014-11-04T11:13:34+00:00

Purple.

Does not feel drawn to conform to social behavioural norms.

Yep.

Exhibits charm and intelligence.

Eh, sometimes. Other times I exhibit crippling anxiety. It depends how I feel and if I'm on anything.

Uses deception, partial truth, exagerration and misdirection to achieve aims.

Depends on the situation. But I believe everyone does these things anyway and I'm no different - when it is required it is what I will do.

Acts decisively, including sometimes impulsively.

Rarely am I impulsive, I am the type to think things through, but I like being decisive yes.

Demonstrates assertive behaviour verging on aggressiveness.

Answer is same as "charm and intelligence" - this all depends on how I feel on any given day. But if I feel good and confident then yes.

Effective communicator and rarely lost for words.

Nah. Online I'd say this is true because I have time to prepare what I want to say. But IRL I'm average unless I happen to be speaking about a subject I already know a lot about.

Rarely regrets actions or their impact of others. Does not feel remorse, shame or guilt.

Depends entirely on the situation. I care for my friends and family and feel bad if I make them feel bad. But outside of that group I don't really care, i.e. if I piss off a stranger then whatever.

Enjoys controlling situations and people.

Who doesn't? Power is fun.

The way I look at myself, my IRL persona is not unlike my online persona, where I'm pretty open and out there, but I can't be as effective at communicating as I am when I have time to prepare and write out everything say, so I'm not as effective at this kind of shit IRL. Which is a shame because people keep telling me I'd be a good cult leader. Which I probably would be if I could act exactly as I do online, but IRL.

Also obviously simply answering these questions (especially since we're using self-evaluation) isn't remotely scientific. Although I'm sure it's not meant to be I just wanna note that.

StabbyPants · 2014-11-04T23:57:04+00:00

it's a choice; I see the consequences and choose my path
intelligence, charm is suppressed.
no, but I'm willing to learn. seems most others do it.
yes
sometimes
somethings yes, sometimes i'm speaking a moon language
no
no

rufusjonz · 2014-11-06T20:37:51+00:00

me: (nothing is 100% yes or no on these in reality in my case though)

yes
yes
sometimes
sometimes
sometimes
yes
no
yes

if i had to speculate on a 'true alpha': -- again, these aren't 100% yes or no in my view, but if i had to pick:

yes
yes
no
yes
yes
yes
yes
yes

justskatedude · 2014-11-18T04:35:04+00:00

Purple. TRP is too obsessed with short term, and doesn't focus on LTR.

Yes
Yes
Maybe. I definitely can use this if I want but I can usually get what I want through other means.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes- To elaborate, I calculate all my decisions and usually feel that my decision is in my best interests and not harming anyone else. I can feel remorse, shame, and guilt, but most of the time the choices I make do not lead to guilt, shame, or remorse to begin with.
Yes but that is because I consider myself benevolent. I am a strange mix of loner, apatheist, cynic, optimist, and a few sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies. Everyone is better off when I am in control because I do not seek to rule over people, I seek to enrich people to their full potential. People love hanging out with me because I bring out the best in them, which in turn helps me out because I'm hanging out with people who are constantly bettering themselves.

taiboworks · 2014-11-03T21:57:38+00:00

Nothing short if the pathologization of masculinity

Title	Either pills-bodies to what extent do you relate to these criteria for sociopathy?
Author	FollowThisAdvice
Upvotes	2
Comments	52
Date	November 3, 2014 9:16 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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