What does the blue pill have to offer to the average, sexless college age male?

zluruc · 2014-04-08T03:57:01+00:00

With all that said, how can the blue pill possibly argue that I'm worse off by blowing off the media narrative of obsessing over sexual validation, treating women like they're always acting in good faith, and that attraction isn't based purely on physical features and social status, rather than 'things in common' and all that? What does TBP have to add to my life? Is it anything more than the sexual dynamics corollary to young earth creationism?

"Don't ask leading questions designed to put people on the defensive. You have your own subreddits for circle-jerking."

purplepill2 · 2014-04-08T03:55:28+00:00

What does the blue pill have to offer to the average, sexless college age male?

"The blue pill" is actually pretty much anything that's not the red pill. It's nothing in particular. There's no universal blue pill dating advice.

TRP comes in and delivers straight talk that no one else does.

No. It doesn't. It delivers some grains of truth wrapped in pseudoscience and misogyny. I seriously doubt you can find anywhere on reddit that actually says "just be nice". Have you never seen "rule 1: be attractive, rule 2: don't be unattractive"? That's like the motto of reddit ffs. It's not particularly useful or accurate, but it sure as hell isn't pussyfooting around. There are plenty of places that can offer genuinely useful dating advice, on reddit and elsewhere on the internet, that don't include crap like "you're not high status enough" OR the even worse things like "you will never have anything in common with a woman". It's just how to be confident, look good (not even naturally attractive necessarily, just well groomed), and make your intentions clear.

TRP also provides a reasonable expectation for how these dynamics will change in the coming years and that my female peers won't have infinitely more power than me for much longer, and how to respond to this. I'm better off focusing on myself during these late teens/early twenties years than worrying about how often I stick my penis in a vagina. Also, I should be extremely wary of the institution of marriage and the solid probability that women will suddenly have more interest in pairing off with me if I do well career-wise. Pre-red pill, I'd be a prime beta bucks candidate: smart, engineering degree, handsome enough to be respectable but not handsome enough to have been in the 'in' crowd when I was younger.

See this? This is what's bad about trp. You are already planning to never have a meaningful relationship in your life because you think the only important thing is power, and actual meaningful connections just don't exist, and/or don't matter. Clearly women are just after your money because all women are malicious harpies. You know what your "female peers" are doing? Living their life. Not obsessing over how they have power over you now that they should exploit while they're young.

With all that said, how can the blue pill possibly argue that I'm worse off by blowing off the media narrative of obsessing over sexual validation, treating women like they're always acting in good faith, and that attraction isn't based purely on physical features and social status, rather than 'things in common' and all that? What does TBP have to add to my life? Is it anything more than the sexual dynamics corollary to young earth creationism?

Would it be so hard to say that people aren't 100% trustworthy, and not act like women are a separate species and THAT'S why they're capable of cheating or some shit? Would it be so hard to admit that attraction is purely physical if all you're offering is your body (i.e. one night stands, fuck buddies, etc) but a relationship is built on more?

You know what "the blue pill" (A.K.A any other view than trp) has to offer? Self improvement. GENUINE self improvement. Becoming a good person, a confident person, the kind of person that is actually respectable. TRP encourages you to become the lowest common denominator to get back at the LCD women. You lie, you manipulate, you look down on women, you emotionally abuse them (if you're trping right), you have no concept of loyalty, love, trust, or empathy.

If you want sex, you can follow many many non-trp methods to get sex. If you want a relationship, do you really need to exclusively date women that are just an accessory to you? Because that's what trp advocates. Is your self esteem that low? Because a real respectable and healthy man does not need to step on their partner to feel tall.

You know how they talk about solipsism? That's what being a trp guy is all about. Women just aren't as real as you. You should never have to compromise with them, their views are always stupid, they're wrong about everything. They're not an actual human being that you should have consideration for.

autoNFA · 2014-04-08T03:11:52+00:00

When I get home I'll answer this as best I can. Look for my edit.

Edit:

Is it anything more than the sexual dynamics corollary to young earth creationism?

People in TBP think the same of you, just so you know.

Here's the deal: some of TRP is genuinely good advice. Look good, work out, be more confident, don't be too upset when you strike out (abundance mentality), that kind of thing. But none of that advice is unique to TRP. It can be found elsewhere.

Also, asking TBP what they would do or what they have to offer is a mixed bag. TBP encompasses everyone that's not TRP. So, basically you're going to get a set of answers ranging from the hated "be yourself" to a PUA-type answer "go work out and find ways to act confident" to a more monogamous "find a girl that shares your interests and get to know her".

As an aside, here's my issue with your post:

The most revolting part of anti-red pill posters is the shrill ignorance spouted by, in particular, women who have absolutely no idea what it is like to have the sex drive of a 19 year old male go unfulfilled. It truly hurts to see gorgeous, cute, sexy, and beautiful girls running around, wanting only one, and then seeing them slut around and all fucking the same few guys on weekends, while you get turned away from parties.

You say you want these girls, but then put them down ("seeing them slut around") for the very thing you would do with them given the chance. Why do you want to fuck girls you have no respect for and even seem to dislike? That question seems the most pertinent to me. Because, from this post, it seems that the girls themselves aren't the issue, and that the only reason you want sex with these "gorgeous, cute, sexy, and beautiful girls" is to get your nuts off in some notch on a bedpost, and you're upset that you can't do it.

autowikibot · 2014-04-08T03:02:51+00:00

The blue pill isn't dating advice. The blue pill is a sub that satirizes trp. You can get still get laid pretty easily without following trp advice.

Dip_the_Dog · 2014-04-08T04:54:09+00:00

I am not going to change my views based on anything anyone says in here, but I'm just looking for a discussion.

No you are not looking for a discussion.

That chart was made by atheists who were frustrated by the "discussions" they were having with young earth creationists. When you are failing at the very first step of that flowchart you may want to ask yourself which pill really is "the sexual dynamics corollary to young earth creationism"?

gepeg-libre · 2014-04-08T05:03:37+00:00

So I'm just going to repeat what I wrote the last time someone asked this question:

Yeah dude, being confident and healthy, on average, is going to make you sexier, and being respectful isn't what gets you dates, it just makes you a decent human. This is not rocket science nor is this idea the monopoly of the red pill. Where the red pill diverges from basic 101-level common sense is that it claims that women are inherently and by their very natures controlled by their emotions and hormones, find it difficult to use logic, and are so stupid/deceitful that they won't admit it.

Red Pill, without the sexism, is decent advice; what makes Red Pill not decent advice is the sexism.

So. Having trouble getting laid? Don't put women on a pedestal; treat them like equals. Look after your appearance; be healthy. Stand out from the crowd; be interesting. Don't be obsequious; nobody really wants that. Don't expect people to fuck you just because you're nice; when was the last time you fucked someone just because they were nice? Be direct and honest about what you want; that's mature and saves you a lot of time and trouble. Chivalry is bullshit; women are capable of opening doors and buying their own drinks. Being confident signals that you're probably a good lay; falling over backwards for somebody because she's hot doesn't. Avoid people who want to manipulate you and get you to do shit for them and hold sex over your head as a weapon. Hook up with people who are confident and mature and know what they want.

That's my 'strategy' and it works just fine.

rumbledust · 2014-04-08T08:52:02+00:00

I think part of your issue is created by your own hypergamy.

You say yourself you aren't rich or good looking, but you want the high status, hot and cute girls in the in crowd who sleep with the high status men.

If you aim for equal or lower status to yourself you will be successful.

GridReXX · 2014-04-08T03:27:41+00:00

You do realize the plain jane girls aren't fucking those hot guys...

They're probably wondering the same. Why are all the hot guys not fucking me? Simple. They're not presenting themselves in an attractive light.

Also why do you deserve a gorgeous sexy beautiful girl? Would women describe you as gorgeous or sexy or hot? Be the change you want to see.

That's my advice. Always ask yourself would you date you. I ask myself that. It's good motivation.

myfriendscantknow · 2014-04-08T07:08:27+00:00

Is your argument that TRP is the only place an average, sexless college age male can get advice? Because the blue pill represents everything that isn't red pill, and red pill may as well not exist it's so small and unimportant. Not to mention it isn't even 2 years old.

The most revolting part of anti-red pill posters is the shrill ignorance spouted by, in particular, women who have absolutely no idea what it is like to have the sex drive of a 19 year old male go unfulfilled.

Anti-TRP people aren't against people trying to improve their sex life, and it's disingenuous to pretend that's the problem people have with TRP. These are the reasons people dislike TRP, not because we want to see men remain sexually unfulfilled.

TRP comes in and delivers straight talk that no one else does. No, the problem isn't that you aren't being nice enough. No, the problem isn't that you're not being patient enough, no, the problem isn't that you don't have enough money to take girls on fancy dates. The problem is that you aren't good-looking enough and that you aren't high status enough, and those two things are interlinked.

That TRP believes this is what we think is very strange. They are not the only venue offering to smack the neckbeard out of you, life usually does that just fine. Most of us just grow up. Thinking that coming to this obvious realization makes you special, that you've swallowed the red pill from The Matrix and everybody else is still "plugged in", makes you seem very childish.

SirNemesis · 2014-04-08T03:17:14+00:00

Nothing. At least that's the conclusion I have to arrive at having looked at the sexual/romantic success of all my college friends.

[deleted] · 2014-04-08T08:12:09+00:00

A genuine insight into what a lot of women want or don't want in a partner.

[deleted] · 2014-04-08T13:57:29+00:00

You can have the useful, "purple pill" ideas without red pill misoginy.

Basically that you are going to be more succesful with women if you are not needy, cringey, putting them on a pedestal and worshipping them, no try to buy their favor, for example if you are asked to hold a purse you joke it away (just put on a comedic drag show or something with it) and not stand there embarrassed of your perceived violation of masculinity yet fearing to refuse. (Double fitness test fail.) You are better with women if you are not so submissive.

However you don't need to be dominant - that is a red pill bullshit. You need to take it equally. Really equally. Like, just like women, you are allowed to end a relationship if she does not behave well. Like, just like women, you can have standards, and initiating a relationship ("pick-up") is NOT just about you proving yourself to her, but also behaving so that you expect her to prove herself to you. Playful bantering, push and pull, teasing, keeping a distance, letting her pursue you a bit, showing your independence - this is actual equality, not dominance. So this would be "purple pill" and it would work.

Purple pill is Independent Not Needy Man not Dominant Man.

So these are good ideas. But red pill is about saying all women are sluts without agency, cheating robots. How does that help your college age male?

So it seems you cannot separate useful "purple pill" ideas about being an independent man which is indeed sexy for many women, and saying hateful things about women which is red pill.

rumbledust · 2014-04-08T14:04:16+00:00

I am a man. I never really cared that much about sex. I just wanked it out when I had no partner.

I cared about finding actual LOVE. Companionship! Not being lonely! A girl to travel with, go to restaurants with, enjoy life with, not shut in my room being lonely! I cared about that, not sex.

GF without sex was much better than sex without GF. With GF I could live life, do things, not be lonely. Sex without GF would just mean there is something else to do than play videogames for 15 mins. Totally did not worth it.

So if you are so hung up about sex... that may be a problem.

No, you should not worry about sticking penis in vagina so much. Ewww... what are you, it almost sounds like an animal talking not a human? Sorry not trying to be insulting but it is very, very uncultured. You never felt the need to love and be loved, just penis in vagina?

Yeah, you could learn to have other interest in women than just cum dumpster objects. This could be good for you.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2014-04-08T11:46:01+00:00

It seems to mostly be about mocking TRP. I don't think it offers any alternative.

Title	What does the blue pill have to offer to the average, sexless college age male?
Author	rumbledust
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Date	April 8, 2014 2:36 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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