Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?

soulcakeduck · 2014-01-27T21:38:21+00:00

Is this supposed to link to something? The sentence is also difficult to read.

If you're saying mainstream/western society says things about men comparable to what TRP says about women, I disagree because (frequently):

TRP thinks women are not, should not, or cannot be equal to men. In contrast, mainstream society is largely egalitarian. A result: I do not see mainstream society petitioning to remove men's voting rights as often as I see this from TRP.
TRP envisions that only narrow roles are appropriate for women (eg they must be submissive, relationships require Captains). In contrast, mainstream society is pushing towards gender liberation, which TRP often notes regretfully (men are supposedly being feminized).
TRP views women are morally inferior, probably due to evolution. I do not see mainstream culture argue that men as a class are incapable of moral agency or virtue.
I do not see mainstream sources calling for violence or excusing it as often as I see this on TRP.

I also do see mainstream sources criticized for their mistakes. When unacceptable things are said, they should be rebuked. Instead, if I read your headline properly you seem to prefer the opposite extreme: invite more unacceptable things because you think some already sneak by.

Why not point us to the offending Guardian content and ask what we think, instead?

raptorrage · 2014-01-27T21:32:29+00:00

Can you show me the "10 reasons to date a guy with an eating disorder" article on Jezebel? Of course there are going to be people that criticize the other gender on both sides. I don't support anyone who claims that a gender only has value because of their genitals, or that 50% of the world is incapable of logic or thought. It is insulting to everyone.

redwhiskeredbubul · 2014-01-27T21:32:20+00:00

I'm Blue Pill as they come but I don't think I have ever laughed harder at Family Guy than at the station ID in this clip.

Anyway, yeah, I don't that what TRP is doing is something that only men do. I think women do that same sort of stuff to men. I actually first started jerking on /r/tumblerinaction which focuses more on the female version of TRP. I found that community was too angry and just generally shitty and unpleasant to be around.

Like, if you thought one tumblr blog was actually kind of reasonable, they will downvote you into oblivion. They require you to have no independent thought.

There are some angry and unpleasant people on TBP but it's generally a fun, relaxed atmosphere, I find. And disagreement isn't vilified. I prefer it. That is how I ended up here.

Those_Who_Remain · 2014-01-27T22:55:10+00:00

Possibly...but that doesn't make it okay/right? I also disagree with unfair treatment of men, but I will definitely voice my opinion against certain statements of TRP regarding women.

Both are wrong and I'll voice my opinion against both when I encounter them (given that it is the right setting of course).

Mytecacc · 2014-01-28T02:54:17+00:00

I don't read Jezebel or the Guardian or any of that crap, so this doesn't apply to me right? When I see things against men on par with TRP(and there are a few things), it gets under my skin and I try to avoid/fight against it.

PaulRivers10 · 2014-01-30T20:54:38+00:00

"Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?"

Yes - I realized that a while ago.

Facebook is the easiest example. Women will regularly put up yet-another-article about "evil men" and such. They rarely get any negative responses, and if you do respond negatively, about half of them will unfriend you and ban you. And I mean carefully responding in a way that uses language that's less inflamatory and hateful than the article they posted. They don't just disagree with you (would you really expect them to agree if they posted the article in the first place), they feel totally justified in banning you as they think it's "offensive" to disagree with a man hating article.

Not all women are like this, true - I've seen a few open to debate. But a lot are.

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Take another example from pop culture - when Kayne West interrupted Taylor Swift to talk about another women's music video, he got all the flack for doing that (as he should). I don't think there was anyone saying "ah, no, Kayne West doesn't deserve all this flack!" A man gets critisized for doing something stupid, they just blame the man for it.

A year later, Miley Cyrus did her thing at the VMA's. If she had been a man, like Kayne West, it would have just been her fault. But because she's a woman, you instead got two reactions - #1: "outrage" that anyone dared to criticise a woman for anything she was doing, #2: trying to pass the blame onto the nearest man - Robin Thicke - and say it was his fault that it happened (or that it was "just as much" his fault, which is the first step in pushing all the blame onto him).

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I 100% agree with you - critisizing or villifying men is just seen as normal and commonplace, while doing so to women is largely avoided by the mainstream media or heavily critisized if it does happen.

Mytecacc · 2014-01-28T02:04:58+00:00

Can you be specific? Can you cite a few articles from jezebel and the guardian and then show us specifically what you're comparing it to?

Also, it's taboo to criticize women? Really? Really?

Do you read major news outlets? Female politicians don't get criticized? Female performers? Female bloggers? Journalists? Writers? Actresses?

Where have you been this past year? Decade? Forever?

artthoumadbrother · 2014-01-30T02:58:54+00:00

You know, I hadn't. Now that I have, my opinion of it hasn't changed a bit. Jezebel sucks. (Can't say that the whole Guardian newspaper does, though. Gooooooo Snowden articles) So does TRP. It's all hate.

Mytecacc · 2014-01-30T05:03:51+00:00

Eeks, Jezebel and The Guardian is not even in the same universe, in the context of evaluating quality journalism. Jezebel is mostly garbage. How is The Guardian "mainstream women's media"? It's one of the most respected newspapers, though it leans liberal. IIRC it forced the NYT to publish the Wikileak cables because the NYT was sitting on it due to US government pressure. The Guardian is also home to the most acerbic critic of US civil rights/human rights violations, Glenn Greenwald.

Someone thinks RP a counterpoint to The Guardian ... I can't even think how they came to this conclusion, unless they don't read The Guardian.

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