My son's turned 14 and starts talking about girls. How do I explain him woman psychology without negativity ?

Hiromant · 2020-10-19T10:01:20+00:00

Never emotionally invest. If you like her, immediately distance yourself mentally. You can be nice to her within reason but if you fall in love and get oneitis, it's over. Women love men who are somewhat indifferent to them. Always be willing to walk away and make her work for your attention.
Never chase. They know right away if they like you and will make it very clear very quickly. The ones who play games, string you along and confuse you aren't into you so ignore them. The medium is the message.

silly_birb · 2020-10-19T10:09:10+00:00

I would tell him

"Never trust females, especially those you like because they know it due to a sixth sense and they will try to use you"

"Females will throw you under the bus to be with the hot guy or to protect themselves to look bad in front of people"

"Women will judge a man only on his looks, which is not how he dress or act but simply genetic characteristics like a wide jaw, narrow eyes, face ratios, how tall he is and muscles"

"Most important thing: a girl is her friends.
She will always follow the group and they will condition her about who to date, and when she should leave or cheat"

Nathaniel66 · 2020-10-19T10:40:57+00:00

I think this is quite safe Age and he can experience a little bit on his own (of course if you notice he's confused you can start explaining). 16-18y is a good age to start educating him, and he can simply read posts on r/femaledatingstategy or listen to BetterBechelor.

That's the route i'm taking with my son.

Galiwix · 2020-10-19T10:03:09+00:00

I think u gave him some nice advice for now , but i'll add this : " Never make ur life revolve around women , make it revolve about ur passions , ur dreams and futur career , women are just secondairy , if no less "

MGMOWNow1978 · 2020-10-19T11:17:23+00:00

My opinion is I wouldn't really have that conversation yet, it's not like he's going to get divorce raped at 14 and getting your heart broken as a kid isn't the worst thing in the world.

Just make sure he is 100% comfortable coming to talk to you about any problems he has with girls which he might not be if you start giving him a bunch of red pill stuff.

sootlord · 2020-10-19T11:44:37+00:00

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donersbruv2 · 2020-10-19T14:59:26+00:00

I agree with a couple other posts, he's still too young to get much into this stuff. 16-18 is a better age imo. Anyhow, here's what I'd talk with him about:

Never get married. Even if sign prenup. The courts hate men, by and large, and the woman you marry isn't the woman you divorce - they're two completely different people. She'll take your house, half your bank account, and half of all other assets if you're lucky. (It could be worse and include alimony, child support, and 2-hours visitation time every other Sunday with his own kids, while she watches.) In fact, she can divorce you whenever she wants for any reason or no reason at all. So, technically, if he gets home from working a double-shift at work, finds her getting railed by 5 Chads in his bed, he gets angry, she can just divorce him, take the whole house, half his bank account, etc. For a man in the west, a marriage contract is literally the worst deal in history.
Alphafux, Betabux. Women want dick from Chad and Beta provider money to raise Chad's child.
Women want envy and approval from other women more than anything else. This is related to the classic saying "Women understand women, and they hate them." Men are just a tool for women to get attention, jealousy and envy from other women.
Women virtue-signal to be able to capitalize on their hypergamous nature. Most women use social media (probably all who are around his age). Point out to your son how everything they post is about how wonderful, strong, independent, benevolent, wholesome or sexy they are. It's all a ruse to attract female envy (firstly) and high-status males (secondary).
Women don't care about men, only what men have to offer them. Money, status, entertainment, etc. Women's "love" for a man is conditional - based on how much he can provide for her.
Plausible Deniability is a woman's best friend. If you can't prove it with hard evidence, then it effectively didn't happen.
Monkey Branching. Women are always trying to find a better suitor, be it higher status, more money, better looks, etc. due to her hypergamous nature. She's essentially always talking to, meeting, and looking for a new guy behind her bf/husbands back. Only once she's found a better suitor and solidified the relationship (with lots of sex) will she tell her bf/husband she "wants to take some time off" or something similar. As if this isn't bad enough, she could possibly come crawling back later. Yuck!
Women weaponize your personal information against you. If he ever opens up to her, has a moment of weakness, or is a bit embarrassed about his anime collection, she will save that info into her memory's hard drive. It will then be used against him at another moment of weakness, during or after breakup, and so forth. She won't hesitate to kick him while he's down, and quite possibly will relish the event.
If you remove the vagina from the equation, women are terribly boring creatures. I say this from personal experience. There really isn't much going on with them, like, ever. They seem to just wait around fantasizing about whatever the fuck they fantasize about, being led by their hand by a man to do fun things, and then just waiting around again for another man to show her another fun time. Seriously, having dated and banged a lot of women, aside from a few exceptions, most women are just lame.
All women are feminists. Due to the society, culture, and education system your son was born into (asuming it's in the West), she's a closeted feminist at least.
AWALT. All Women are like that. They all are.

In short, "save yourself the hassle and find some hobbies you like. Make a bunch of money and retire early."

your_vital_essence · 2020-10-19T11:36:50+00:00

Thanks for doing this.

I loved my mom very much, and she was great in a lot of ways. But I got none of this, and teenage life absolutely sucked. I felt like a victim all the time, did me no favors.

Stoicism and sexual continence are really positive ideas. That is, instead of focusing on the many problems with girls, focus on improving your life and getting mentally/physically strong.

--Reddit-Username2-- · 2020-10-19T12:06:26+00:00

Talk to him after the first burn. He will be much more receptive.

2020-10-19T12:21:18+00:00

I don't want him to go depress at an age he can't understand everything well. Maybe I should tell him nothing for now and wait he has 18.

14 is old enough to have the talk. Girls already sling off accusations to boys much younger.

I don't want to impose my point of view on the meaning of life and women.

Best you can do is to provoke his critical thinking and make him arrive at that conclusion on his own. Bring a horse to the water and all that.

Any idea of the few red pills I can already give him at 14 ?

At 14 probably the best redpills are the ones that are gender-neutral, like saying "don't base your happiness on anyone else" instead of "don't chase women". Also always mention any red flags in the matrix, like if you see a pussy pass on the news.

Good luck out there.

everydaygreyman · 2020-10-19T14:02:51+00:00

“Chase pussy and you’ll eventually run out of money. Chase money and you’ll never run out of pussy.”

If a male role model had given me this advice at your son’s age I’d be on easy street today.

Cursedwithknowing · 2020-10-19T11:30:52+00:00

I would ask him what he's seen girls do. Then I'd help him connect what he sees with what we know. He can learn about hypergamy, oneitis, monkey branching, and all the rest. Any young man needs a framework to explain what he's seeing every day with his own eyes.

bfte2 · 2020-10-19T13:14:04+00:00

Bros before hoes.

TigPlaze · 2020-10-19T14:04:12+00:00

OMG, I don't envy you. I would hate to have to explain this broken system to a kid. Good luck. Other advice here looks quite good.

throw_covid_away · 2020-10-19T14:23:36+00:00

I've tried to redpill many of my friends so far, trying to pull them towards MGTOW. I've successfully failed at all attempts. Only way I realised was to push them towards a direction of minimum damage and maximum regrets.

RottenMudguts · 2020-10-19T21:19:56+00:00

No better teacher than experience. Some small time teenage heartbreak worked wonders for my son. As a dad of a teenager I’ve found that won’t listen to you anyway. My son needed to see how it was for himself. Spent some time picking up the pieces, and shared some honest truths and a beer with him.

He’s vowed off women and is focussed now on his studies and getting into university. Experience is a great teacher, just try to minimise the damage for him and be there for him when he needs you.

Shimakaze4 · 2020-10-19T22:48:41+00:00

Tell him that often women will use a man for money or free food. She might say she likes you but does she really like you, or does she like you because you do something for her. Even my mother told me when I was 12 "be careful of girls, all they want is money and free stuff".

thgkungen · 2020-10-19T13:17:37+00:00

Its really hard to explain to someone who hasnt experiences stuff. They wont listen/believe. Just have a good relationship with him and let him ask questions or tips from you. Be his friend and boost hos confidence.

2020-10-19T13:19:45+00:00

I would simply advise him to be discreet and discreet.

JohnDZeppeli · 2020-10-19T13:26:24+00:00

The best way to teach him is to let him experience it, after his first breakdown he will get what you were trying to tell him

CeleritySteam · 2020-10-19T13:41:15+00:00

First show him safe porn and let him have a coom in peace so he will be thinking with the correct head. After that lay out AWALT behaviors. If he's smart now that he knows what he should be looking for he will see it himself. If not so smart he will get thotted a few times before getting it.

REDDITSUCKS2020 · 2020-10-19T13:59:26+00:00

Don't get involved in gossip (only observe) and protect your reputation.

Don't say more than is necessary.

ghebert001 · 2020-10-19T14:03:20+00:00

Tell him to NEVER be afraid to lose a girl...she will use his fear of losing her against him. The minute they give an ultimatum "it's either me or X"...always choose X and dump her ass immediately. Don't let her do anything that you wouldn't let a guy friend get away with and he can figure out pretty quick what kind of girl he's dealing with by telling her no to something early on in a relationship and see her reaction.

drpr0ctr · 2020-10-19T14:05:04+00:00

My dad used subtle sayings like “don’t look them in the eyes” and things like that. It sort of fostered this natural distrust of women from a young age. I pretty much developed MGTOW on my own over time

ZarBandit · 2020-10-19T14:41:25+00:00

Introduce him to the concept that society and people (including women) say one thing but do another. The falsehoods are there to manipulate him and serve agendas that will not benefit him.

Have examples ready to illustrate.

Gehrman_The_Hunter · 2020-10-19T14:51:42+00:00

The redpill doesn't always need to be a depressing realization. Tell him how it is, that girls aren't a worthwhile investment and that he should live for himself. Build him up, support his hobbies, help him love himself and realize that he doesn't need some whore to be happy.

Irish-Fritter · 2020-10-19T15:10:05+00:00

Show him examples in films and movies and subtly point out how trashy she is for doing that. Let him form his own opinions, and encourage him to come to you for advice. Be there to listen to him, and if he wants to come to you to talk about a girl, don't automatically shame him for it. Some people only learn through personal experience, and he may have to fall on his face a few times before he stops simping. But having you there will make that recovery far easier.

sapereAudeZ · 2020-10-19T16:02:47+00:00

Don't do it upfront. Wait until he's having interactions with women then contextually them for him.

Conjuring a whole belief system is hard, pointing out how things that happen match your belief system is easy.

Big_Goosh · 2020-10-19T17:54:19+00:00

Give this a watch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Auki3s992n4

JoeSmith1907 · 2020-10-19T19:11:08+00:00

There's a lot on the internet that he might be willing to listen to. Some channels are Better Bachelor, Alexander Grace, Think Before You Sleep, A.D. (this guy can really be funny), just to name a few. He can also read Manipulated Man.

seathsoul69 · 2020-10-19T19:13:21+00:00

Teach him AWALT

sefMR · 2020-10-19T19:36:32+00:00

advice that could have helped my 14 yo self would be to not simp, to respect myself, and to never chase girls that do not make any move towards me. also "don't put your d in crazy". i used to love a shy antisocial girl who was probably autistic and sometimes acted like she liked me (i believed that a long time and an objective analisys of the situation from someone mature could help but my mom was very ~~delusional~~ optimistic and dad didn't give any advice since they are not together)

plainnsimpleforever · 2020-10-19T21:34:25+00:00

Talk about gut instinct and looking out for red-flags.

selfism_mike · 2020-10-19T21:37:03+00:00

Teach him basic biology. Women are never able to love a man, while men are coerced into loving women. You can provide as example your own wife, his mother, who never gave a shit about you, but pretended to for you to marry her, after which she just used you to live on easy street.

ziggmuff · 2020-10-19T22:05:19+00:00

Honestly at that age I feel like you just gotta let him go and figure it out on his own. Then once he's 18 and been heartbroken and confused about female actions, then you can sit him down and use those examples as evidence to suggest what we all know.

You can't expect to train someone who hasn't learned first hand. They're not going to believe you.

Hell, it took me till I was 26 to learn this, and I had to do it all on my own.

Plus I think it's important and healthy for men to try to materialize those types of "in love" beliefs they've grown to believe. Let the kid have sex and have girlfriends, just make sure you're there him once they fall apart.

I feel like too much at a young age might confuse him. Plus you kinda gotta let him get it out of his system.

six-twosix · 2020-10-19T23:38:58+00:00

It depends on the maturity of your son.

The red-pill rage should not be underestimated. Due to his new found knowledge your son could act coldly towards his female classmates, which could cause trouble for you, specially if he shares MGTOW views with other boys. It could also make it harder for your son to form friendships with other boys.

It's fine to give him some light red-pills, but definitely hold unto the bitter red-pills for now. It's very natural to simp and whiteknight, chances are that you're just becoming the patriarchal bad guy on his mind. Personally I'd wait till he's 16 and give him the bitter red pills at 18-19.

2020-10-20T04:28:30+00:00

The best lesson is one he learns himself. Ask him what shitfuckery he's seen from the girls at school. There's bound to be an alpha chad that he's seen and sees all the girls behave different around him.

leozimgh · 2020-10-20T06:28:08+00:00

Its a fucking shitshow. Those who willingly jump in a sewer, shouldn’t expect anything different than that.

deslockgamalon · 2020-10-20T07:58:50+00:00

https://youtu.be/MKMG-FdCGtM

Griever114 · 2020-10-20T18:41:52+00:00

Easiest answer my below steps to unfucking your life.

"Treat others AS you are being treated.
Don't put anyone on a pedestal. They will shit on you since you are under them.
Give about 70% of what you get. No one will ever give you 100% so don't waste your energy.
If someone isn't ADDING to your life, they are subtracting. If they are, get rid of them.
Post nut clarity is a wonderful thing. Before you make any big decision, rub one out. If you still want to make that decision, spend the night and think it over.
You are 1000000% responsible for ALL your shit. Where you are in life is not a product of anyone else BUT your decisions. Be accountable and stop blaming everyone else for your successes and/fuck ups.

eos123456789 · 2020-10-20T19:09:50+00:00

Self worth is absolute key, much more important than any red pill knowledge. If you have enough self worth you can already avoid the most painful problems with women.

Make it clear to him how much a pregnancy costs and that by all means he should use protection, no matter what the girl says. No matter how beautiful or sweet she is. And tell him that women lie lie and lie. Women always lie. About anything there is. It needs to be told to our sons.

malte-gustav_towski · 2020-10-20T20:30:14+00:00

support him and his hobbies/interests/sport and make him understand that a good girlfriend would have interest and will invest time in it as well for him.

95% will just fail instantly (if your son is not interested in hollywood gossip and yt makeup tutorials) - the rest 5% he has to expirience himselfe.

Banincoming · 2020-10-19T13:51:49+00:00

Do you want grandkids at all costs?

RudeNarwhal8 · 2020-10-19T17:58:53+00:00

Mine is 14 and for now, I am just telling him to stay away from girls for now. Focus on your school, hobbies, and (male) friends. It's fine to be friendly (ie polite) with the girls @ his school, but they are just trouble at this point.

As he gets older, I explain things a little more age appropriate.

2020-10-19T18:19:29+00:00

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Title	My son's turned 14 and starts talking about girls. How do I explain him woman psychology without negativity ?
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Date	October 19, 2020 9:38 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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