How does MGTOW feel about women in their family?

elcheapo17 · 2019-09-12T13:18:43+00:00

They're women. I don't hate them. I don't trust them either.

ragna77 · 2019-09-12T14:02:10+00:00

I don't see women as worthless, nor do I see that as a core ideology of MGTOW....at least it shouldn't be. I also do not feel that all women are evil by nature.

What I do think is that todays culture and society tend to create and promote women who are selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, and only after what they can get for themselves. The camera is on them. They are the prize. Women are not expected to bring something to the table anymore, it's just assumed that, because they are women, they have fullfilled their obligations, and that we as men now have to move heaven and earth to please them. I say bullshit to that.

As for my family, I've often said that if more women were like my mother, I wouldn't be mgtow. She really is the best person I've ever known. So, no, I don't hate women, I just don't think they make em like they used to, and until they fix the mold, I'm not in the market for one.

Astral-Projector · 2019-09-12T13:20:09+00:00

AWALT, no exceptions.

Poopdawg87 · 2019-09-12T13:54:56+00:00

Love my sister and dislike my mother. Not close with either of my aunts. Was really close to both grandmothers and miss them both. Female co-workers I typically tend to dislike, as in my profession (military) they are given radically preferential treatment which causes many of them to end up incompetent at their jobs.

I don't think the community as a whole see women as worthless, rather that a long term romantic relationship is typically not beneficial to men. I do feel as if many of the more outspoken men are still in a rage phase and that makes this subreddit seem misogynist at face value. Add in the anonymity of Reddit and that generally causes most people to seem more hostile here than as they would present themselves in real life.

But, I definitely don't believe that at its "core" MGTOW believe anything except that life is better off without romantic attachments. While many of the members are sexually active, most just look at romantic relationships with women as an poor decision based on their previous relationships. If you look at relationships from a purely cost/benefit perspective, you would find that most women gain far more from LTRs than men do.

As I have stated before, I am not a proponent of AWALT. That still doesn't mean I see the benefit in being in a relationship.

SlainFunicle · 2019-09-12T13:21:00+00:00

Most of the time we ignore there bad behaviors because there are family

how many of the female members in your families cheat on their bf?
how many of them divorce
how many of them treat there husband like shit

and remember there are things you don't know about them that they keep a secret

MiddleAgedMGTOW · 2019-09-12T13:50:56+00:00

Your question about how we view female family members is valid but your characterization of Mgtow is not. The core belief of Mgtow philosophy is no legal attachment to women and male self ownership. That’s it. Nothing about Mgtow says women are useless except for sex.

Krazyrobus · 2019-09-12T14:27:50+00:00

AWALT is awalt. Even in my family. I have 3 sisters, 2 older 1 younger. The 2 older ones have all the same lecherous tendencies, always trying to borrow money off me, being financially irresponsible, illogical, emotional etc.

Younger one uses guys to get meals from dates, allowed some hopeless dude to send her love letters for 2 years because she enjoyed the attention, uses people for their Netflix accounts, which is fine, means I don't have to pay for it.

So worthless, no, realistic about how they are relative to other women out there, absolutely. Would I touch them with a 10 foot pole if I were not related to them, hell no.

swankvagabond · 2019-09-12T13:32:51+00:00

It's very simple.

All women are hypergamous and women in family are truly NOT the exception.

Mothers conditions their boys to believe NAWALT with the "women are wonderful" effect and influence their daughters to repeat the same patterns when the father's not around or when the father's out of the picture.

Even if both were raised by good parents with good education and upbringing, they do things outside the family circle thanks truly to feminism and the gynocentrism world.

Yet, if the world weren't gynocentric as fuck, they'd still do the same because it's in their nature.

In the end, AWALT.

shammylamby · 2019-09-12T16:26:24+00:00

Dearly love my 3 sisters because they are family, but I've watched them for years disrespecting and emasculating my great brother-in-laws. Years later I hear them complain that their husbands are distant and cold. Cheaper to keep her mindset I guess.

DangZagnut · 2019-09-12T13:58:42+00:00

Well I haven’t tried to fuck mom in years so I don’t know how she’d act in a relationship.

Women simply have no value to me in one. They offer nothing but a moist hole but as with lobster, it’s gets old after awhile.

I’m sure my mother, when she dated, had some AWALT traits I’m sure, I wasn’t there.

It doesn’t concern me as we don’t have a romantic relationship with her, so it doesn’t apply. We don’t live together. I talk to her about once every couple years. Few emails a year (in fact I just mailed her a happy birthday) and that’s about it.

In that sense, we get along fine. I respected my aunts a great deal.

I’m not trying to fuck or take care of them either. So I really don’t care what they’re doing as long as it isn’t affecting me.

Families don’t act like coworkers or romantic interests. The interaction is very different for most people so t doesn’t really apply.

Iaculor · 2019-09-12T14:39:58+00:00

You are talking about a MGTOW ideology. I don't think there is one. It's about your OWN way. I for myself love my mother, my sister and her girls, i got friends who are women that i like, that doesn't mean i don't think the so called "Red Pilled Knowledge" is true or false. I don't care about NAWALT or AWALT or the other shiny wordcreations for the social media. So MGTOW is not about women. The rant and sometimes hate comes from the failed relationships most men experienced in their life, and this is (mostly) the time when some men start to think about going MGTOW (and post on social media about it).

A MGTOW guy realized the only one who can make him happy is himself ... and life (god, the universe whatever) just want him to live as long as possible. So he starts his journey.

BaffyBob · 2019-09-12T16:21:43+00:00

I don't hate women. If some guy wants to put up with their shit, I don't have to be involved. I don't buy $100,000 cars, I don't borrow money for a vacation and I choose to limit my exposure to women in my free time.

Bri-70 · 2019-09-12T23:03:57+00:00

You got the MGTOW ideology wrong.

My mother is about as close to an NAWALT as could be. I do have to say she is 75 now, a woman from a different time perhaps and by no means perfect I did see my dad have to swallow a blue pill from time to time but overall he was happy with her, really.

But, for practical purposes today you won't find one like her. Things are very different now. Wise to understand it isn't ALL anything in this world but your chances are really fucking slim. So bad that nobody who's seen the dark side is going to tell you it's wise to take a chance. It's a bad bet and you really are risking your life and happiness when you invest it in a woman. That's TRP 2019.

ZlayerXZ · 2019-09-12T13:26:54+00:00

Your main concern here is about your female relatives, your females relatives are relatives to you before they are female (unless you’re fucking them), but I don’t think incest is your thing, so your mother is your mother, and she is like any other women out there (AWALT) but she is also your mother (you aren’t going to enter into a men/women relationship with her), the biggest problem with women is related to their cunning duplicitous sexual nature, generally (at least in the west) you don’t deal with your female relatives in a sexual manner.

krusty_fat · 2019-09-12T13:49:04+00:00

I only have my mother, with which I dont talk.

BalancingVices · 2019-09-12T14:46:44+00:00

I wouldn't want to marry my relatives.

I reckon women can make fine acquaintances and even decent colleagues sometimes, just not reliable friends when the shit hits the fan, let alone trustworthy partners.

Monogamy is not in human nature. Marriage is entirely artificial and where it works, it is ingrained from a young age and enforced throughout life. Unhappy marriages are almost guaranteed and with no-fault divorce available, divorce is the expected outcome.

CuntMonteCristo · 2019-09-12T15:58:57+00:00

Instead of Feeling and Thinking and so on, do you have knowledge and do you understand the bio-psychological differences between the genders hence, hypergamy, females operating from the right brain hemisphere, solipsism, hormone induced decision making, never nowhere on the planet did a matriarchal civilization exist, the female strength testing of males, eggs for resources principle, etc. etc and the effect of that in combination with the current social system created? (I mean scientific facts)?

That is what Rep Pill and MGTOW is basically about. Not to forget that there are degrees to it from the extra light version to Monk Mode Mountain Man. Some would like to have a wife and a family under other circumstances and some would not.

ass-my-eat · 2019-09-12T16:24:33+00:00

MGTOW is a philosophy about going your own way outside of the plantation matrix.

That’s it. No more no less. The game is rigged and the only winning move is not to play.

You will find varying views on women no matter who you ask but my personal experience has been AWALT.

TigPlaze · 2019-09-12T16:31:35+00:00

I love my mom and my sister. When I was in college, my dad's company went into reorganizing bankruptcy and then suddenly his high-paying job paid for shit, but he stuck with it to help it get back afloat. Meanwhile my mom, who had her real estate license, became the primary breadwinner for a while. Until then she had just done it for extra money, but she loved my dad and all of us and really stepped up to the plate for him and for the whole family. Because of this experience, I assumed that women in general loved men for who they were and took seriously that vow of "in good times and bad times." I had no idea what a bunch of GREEDY WHORES so many women were. I had a girlfriend who dumped me the instant I lost my job. I was already on my computer updating my resume and looking up leads and I was all, "I got laid off, but we'll be fine. I know how to get a job." That wasn't good enough for her. She dumped me IMMEDIATELY. It took me only 4 weeks to find a job. She could not wait 4 weeks. Because of my mom's example, I expected loyalty from women. I expected to meet women who love you for who you are as a human being. Man, was I ever wrong.

And, btw, the reorganizing of my dad's company worked. He got back to making a really good living. People can persevere during hard times. Women can stick with her man and get through the bad times. Amazing. To hell with all these trashy worthless greedy golddigging skankahoes who bail at the first sign of trouble.

thelookoutbelow · 2019-09-12T18:40:00+00:00

Despite them being educated and not outwardly trash, would I be shocked if any of my sisters was caught cheating on their husbands? No I would not. Would I be shocked if they suddenly got bored and decided to take their husbands through the divorce wringer? No I would not. Am I surprised at how much of their husband's resources they waste on purses and drapes? Hell no!

I know how frivolous they are and I consider all of them to be bitches. Having similar genes to me is no redemption from a disloyal nature that is deeply rooted in their biological strategy and enabled by socio-political forces.

I am naturally a stoic person, so none of them feel that I am giving them a cold shoulder. They just know that I don't go out of my way to have any more contact with them than is demanded by my duty and burden of being their immediate family.

I don't hate them. I simply don't exempt them

AnnoMachina01 · 2019-09-12T20:01:41+00:00

The women in my family are all nice to me, and love me, but the older I get, the less I want anything to do with them.

How the Red-Pill lens has me view the women in my family:

Mother: My dad was the BB of her AFBB. She made poor life decisions, married my father who though is a good man, was a poor choice for her. Then she spent decades emotionally beating him up for her being stuck with him. Now that they're old, she appreciates him. She's IQ smart, but unwise. It's hard to like her for having known how poorly she has treated my dad. She has lot's of interesting hobbies, and is good to talk to, but I just have a hard time looking at the inadequate way I was raised by them.

Sister A: Rode the cock carousel until the wheels came off, and put off having kids until it was too late to have them. Married late, divorced guy who didn't want kids, married blue pill sucker with kids. I just don't like her. Crap TV, wine, and 80's hair bands are the extent of her personality. It's hard to hold a conversation.

Sister B: Married to her highschool sweetheart, still married after decades. Working woman, didn't have a lot of time for the kids. Smart, hardworking, but shallow. Their family poured their life into their eldest/pretty daughter. They neglected their younger daughter somewhat, but the real crime was dumping my nephew in front of the video games for his entire youth instead of rearing him to be a worthwhile man. Now he's 20, severely behind the powercurve in life, an Incel, and I am trying to help him self improve.

Sister C: Married AF, he divorced her, now she's married to BB. I don't fault her for this, she has four kids from AF, was bankrupt, working two jobs. If BB is happy with the situation, it's no skin off my back. I like her, but hate her politics: socialistic lefty.

Grandma: mean bitch who treated my grandfather like crap. My grandfather was an awesome guy. He deserved better. From a generation that didn't divorce.

Aunt 1: Party slut, got AIDS and died a long time ago.

Aunt 2: Divorced a good man, is living off his wealth, completely selfish wino who fucked up her kids. Now one of her daughters is a trashy welfare slut, the other is a bulldyke.

Yes, I have a pretty low opinion of the women in my life.

imlurkingdontmindme · 2019-09-12T20:31:12+00:00

My mom’s Asian traditional: works hard, frugal, encourages family communication, personal health, etc.

Is she AWALT? Who knows. She’s not a perfect mother, but that’s fine; I’m not a perfect son. She’s not the brightest woman, which annoys my father sometimes, but they seem to have a decent relationship. I think there can be circumstances where she’d cheat, but she’s in her fifties, isn’t a looker (basically an Asian auntie), and doesn’t go out much. Time’s past.

As for my sister, well... she had two boyfriends before meeting my BIL. Not sure how far things went with them. She did come to me a couple years into her marriage to discuss a possible divorce. Didn’t go through with it, and I have a nephew now. I think she’s very capable of being AWALT.

That said, the most them being AWALT really does to me is having me contribute money and bothering me about getting married (lol). idgaf.

tisoydaw69 · 2019-09-12T20:32:45+00:00

Well luckily all my sisters are doing great and my mom, But that doesn't mean they don't make dumb irrational decisions.

One of my sisters got married without even letting us know, And honestly to think she was the "golden child" because academically and professionally she just always broke high expectations and is really doing well but hey, AWALT "I'll get married without telling my family".

Everything aside though, growing up my dad kept everyone in line and i guess growing up in Saudi Arabia, it is just inevitable that women had to stay in their lane. But now that everyone has gone their own way, my dad has no more control over what our fate will be and what really surprised me is how accepting he is of that and that he has done his part and whatever we will be growing up is ultimately up to us.

I have a cousin (20f at the time) though that during her college days got knocked up by her professor 38M *Daddy issues* and they lived together afterwards but before they could even get to marriage, she didn't want him anymore and was allegedly cheating on him *lol*. Professor was a total simp obviously and tried to woo her but we all know how that turned out.

What really baffles me is even though he lucked out not being married to her and in the country where they were both residing, Man had no obligations to even pay child support. But this dude of course with all his moral righteousness bullshit goes ahead to let her stay in his newly constructed house. I guess child support is fine but to let her stay at your newly built house and even after knowing she brings dudes in said house, some cuck shit i'm telling you. She even had the nerve to say she deserves everything that she has although she didn't really bring anything to the table. Dude was a professor and had businesses on the side. The house had maids, a driver, all built by this hardworking professor after years and years of hustle. I guess the moral of the story is half of the game is building your own shit and half of it is how to not fuck up and lose all of it.

CrimsonDivision1999 · 2019-09-13T09:51:46+00:00

Love my mom more than anyone.

Single mother, didn't go on welfare. Got a job as a tutor and teacher to support and give me a great life. Got her own property worth $1.5 million, wrote all the inheritance to me on the will already (only child yeee).

Still cooks for me and asks if I want food and I just have to drive and pick it up.

The ironic thing about my mom is that she was a decent part of red pilling me. She is very conservative and strict, hasn't had a male companion or boyfriend in decades (didn't try to bring a guy home to live and raise me, and she rejected family trying to get her a man to settle down with). When the marriage didn't work out she just fended for herself and me. She works with younger women now and the stories they talk about absolutely disgust her. When I told her I don't plan on getting married years she laughed kind of like I solved a puzzle and said she'd always support me and that she doesn't want what she's built and her inheritance being passed on to a female like the ones she works with

I'm under no illusion that she could want grandkids due to her biology and that if she wasn't my mom I wouldn't have the same feelings for her. But she is my mom and she's done more than a great job and I am forever indebted to her. That's a son/mother bond tho, very pure and I feel really sad for guys who didn't have a great mom growing up. Relationships with women won't be like that and I don't have much of any use for them

As for other family members, I have a couple aunts that are really swell but live countries away. Don't talk or care much for cousins. Never knew my grandparents personally, only met them a couple times

richardjreidii · 2019-09-13T13:06:28+00:00

What you've seen, cannot be unseen. While I still love and respect my mother (she and my father gave me an amazing, wholesome childhood, which I feel truly blessed to have had), I can clearly recognize her faults and see the hypergamy the lead to her being with my father.

While I love my sisters, I can clearly see their motivations, and I pity their husbands/boyfriends.

I can love them, familially, and still see them for what they are.

edgysecularist · 2019-09-13T20:27:36+00:00

Rule #1 of AWALT, women NEVER love

[deleted] · 2019-09-19T13:03:07+00:00

Those are all loaded questions.

The healthy way for each individual is to look at each and every person individually, there are great individuals (some of them are mothers too) and there are shitty ones (some of them are mothers too).

If you want to read more about MGTOW this is the best source https://www.mgtow.com/faq/ which is broad and incomplete by design.

Vaxel00 · 2019-09-12T15:39:05+00:00

There are women in my family that I like, but I don't live with them so I don't truly know them.

Women are worthless for me, I don't intend on living with one and I don't need one in my life.

NeverTrustAVaJayJay · 2019-09-12T13:25:13+00:00

. Yes family members as well. Yes ALL WHAMENS.

Now fuck off.

Title	How does MGTOW feel about women in their family?
Author	EverybodySupernova
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Date	September 12, 2019 1:14 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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