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[–]801735109 points110 points111 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
AND they don't care. Which is applauded and held up high as empowered. Then, when a male does once what fewmales are doing constantly habitually...
[–]GimmeDaScoobySnacks81 points82 points83 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
This was painfully evident during WWI and WWII.
[–]Patricijaobjectdude9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are oppressed!! Women are victims!!! Women are objectifi- ...oh fuck, is a war starting?? I'll let you do anything to my body and my children and my husband, just please save me!
...Is the war over? Okay cool.
Women are oppressed!! Women are-
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[–]GimmeDaScoobySnacks51 points52 points53 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
How so? Did'nt the suffregetes stop marching when WW1 was just starting? And during WWII I don't remember women demanding to fight alongside their fathers, husbands, sons etc.
[–]WhatMixedFeelings13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Come on man, do we really want women in the military? Soldiers need analytical skills.
[+]Donkeyfluff-10 points-9 points-8 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Ok let's get this first fact straight before I start. Most countries participating in both world war 1 and 2 did not allow female conscription. Period. It was against the law.
Women were conscripted as a last resort in failing armies. Many women in world war 1 and 2 worked in factories for war production and other goods for the war. What they weren't ALLOWED to do was conscript. They were encouraged to work and they worked very well, Germany and Italy are both good examples of war economies aided greatly by working women as most men were conscripted at the time.
(Women in Italy kept working even after the war despite the fascist regime)
Ik this isnt a world war, but if you look at the Spanish civil war, the Republicans conscripted many women, of which many were praised for being exceptional snipers and military women. (I can link a source in the edit about if you like)
My point is that the main reason you aren't seeing women in direct combat is because they simply weren't allowed.
[–]GimmeDaScoobySnacks13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
They could've protested and marched to be allowed to be conscripted. Just because they were'nt allowed to be conscripted does'nt mean they could'nt protest it, why did'nt they?
Again, if the women truly loved their husbands, fathers, brothers and sons, they would've demanded to fight by their sides, because the men would've done that.
[–]Launch_Day_My_Dudes5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Credit where it’s due: some did. The Women’s Legion in Poland formed after one of them lost her son (a teenage boy, one of the ‘Lwow Eaglets’) in battle.
[–]Ben_Eszes2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hate to be the grammar Nazi, but you're using your apostrophes in the wrong place. It is didn't and doesn't instead of did'nt and does'nt. Your point stands, though.
[–]GimmeDaScoobySnacks0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry, I just get it mixed up all the time so stopped caring but thanks for correcting me.
[–]hassydichammer0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe there was a reason they shouldn't be allowed. The same reason they shouldn't be fire fighters or beat duty cops....
[–]colbywrong17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What was 'The White Feather Campaign'?
[–]mgtowguy375 points76 points77 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Ha, and after the war, if their men lost, the women have absolutely no problem picking up with invading conquerors. No problem whatsoever. It's been shown all down through history.
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[–]mgtowguy331 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I enjoy the videos of the French women collaborateurs being force marched down the street and then having their hair shorn off.
Off course the male collaborators were just put up against a wall and shot.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I feel bad for the babies those women had, though.
[–]mgtowguy32 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey, life is hard. I don't mean that to be flip I mean that as a statement of fact.
But look at it in the bigger picture. The hafling women would probably be OK. Hell, they may even be considered exotic and desirable. Biology has a way of dealing with things. For the half-breed men, this would be a huge incentive to move on, perhaps find new land of their own in a new tribe. Maybe of their own making.
Over billions of individuals and hundreds of thousands of years of more or less modern humans existing, it's what drove human expansion across the globe.
It sucks as an individual, it's necessary as a species.
[–]throwingitawayehey1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They did that in Belgium and Holland too. My grandma witnessed one when she was very young.
[–]mgtowguy32 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My father was a boy/young man under the NAZI occupation in Holland.
He never got into specifics but there was quite a bit of accounts settled and pay back at the end of the war. I mean these collaborators had whole families, innocent people, shot in the street. Either reprisals or false information. This happened hundreds of times in Holland alone through the war.
Yes, there was a hell of a lot of anger at the end.
Oh, and he's sorry about blowing up that foot bridge over the small canal with the discarded German grenade back in '45.
Boys being boys. You know. :)
[–]ben-anders1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's not really that black and white. Let's say, you are a woman with two children to feed. Your children are starving. All the men you have ever known are either dead or put into work camps far away. Enemy soldiers are raping women everywere. But some are nice to you and offer you food and protection. What would you do?
[–]mgtowguy32 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Women always surrender.
With men it depends on the circumstances and the men themselves.
In the situation you describe it's either surrender and hope for the best or fight on to your last breath. The point is, men will fight on regardless. Women never will.
[–]vetiarvind1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Not always a rule. Rajput women would often kill themselves before the Muslim invaders could reach them.
[–]mgtowguy30 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What the fuck is a ragut or whatever?
Fuck off, pajeet.
[–]vetiarvind2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
are you a retard or is this your first time on a keyboard?
[–]ronoda1213 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I recently watched the movie called “The Aftermath”. A british army man gets posted to Germany after the nazis are defeated. His wife joins him to live with him. In the same house they had to accommodate another man who was a suspected nazi. No prize for guessing who the wife fucked.
[–]jfiscal2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The Nazis were literally the good guys of ww2 though so it makes sense
[–]amyfil2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
What about the men who fought for their country and then ended up with those women?
[–]mgtowguy31 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Traditionally the men are all killed and the women and children that have survived are sold into slavery. Some women are kept by the conquerors, either to settle the new territory or take back to their homelands. It all depends on the particular circumstances.
The funny thing is that through history, the roaming barbarians that conquered the civilized culture just as often settled down in the new lands. And over generations they became the land owners, farmers, merchants, priests and upper ruling classes that they overthrew.
The circle of life.
[–]stent001 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
women wait at the end of the war and fornicate with the winners... losers just die
Women, always waiting at the finishing line. :)
[–]Stevenorris71728 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
.... that is really profound.
A woman would NEVER put her life on the line for a man. Ever.
[–]sycohant25 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
i wouldn’t say thats true, many mothers would protect their children who are men with their life and some have died trying
[–]Patricijaobjectdude2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Women would protect thwir male children, sure. But not men.
This includes her grown up child who is now a man.
This is also why so many god dammed men are searching for women, because they came into this world feeling their mother's love and then it went away. Instead of learning to love yourself, they decide to seek out the external validation in other women.
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[–]Patricijaobjectdude1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't argue with that. Ya got me.
[–]Viver_Enola1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey! Welcome to r/mgtow, we don't give a shit.
[–]Stevenorris7170 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure... their children. But in the context of this conversation I believe we are talking about a spouse.
[–]FightClubHamster6925 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They love what men can do for them. Same old shit
[–]RedPilledFanatic22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And my tantalizing question is: why should men fight for those lowlives in the first place? Why the FF do men fight each other? I mean in a real life or death scenario. Not so much in a fist brawl where the "loser" is saying: "OK enough I learned my lesson. Grab a beer on me and consider things settled?" Why the FF are we fighting each other? For some insane pussy validation? IMO there is no difference between any STD riddled cave out there.
[–]anonymaccount6669 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For new lands, new fertile women, new slaves, fame, and propagating the religion. Now it is to remove dictators in poor countries
[–]DangZagnut18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let love money...
[–]roflcopt0rz_returns16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
TECHNICALLY, women DO love just as much as men.
They just don't specify what they love.
Women love themselves just as much as men love women.
On the other hand, women love men about as much as men love their screwdrivers.
[–]Patricijaobjectdude2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women love men the same exact way men love their computers. No difference.
A woman's hypergamy is the exact same thing as your pc upgrades and uses.
Call me crazy but I don't want to be a computer to someone.
[–]AlationMath15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I fully understand the MGTOW sentiment, but we really shouldn't dismiss the evolutionary aspects of it. Obviously women are the weaker gender in many ways and will give love in a different way than men. Also in these cases a woman may not be much help, especially in something like a hand-to-hand combat situation. So her best bet by nature to ensure she gets to reproduce is to do nothing, which I think is supported by many people's experiences. The most important thing to look for is somebody that can override their instincts to still be able to express their love for you, but since I am on MGTOW clearly I think it is very unlikely/impossible at least in this day and age.
[–]novhaku1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And how is this related to op's post/how does it disproves his point?
OP was an answer to one of the countless "NAH WAMAN DO [x] JUST AS MUCH AS MEN", or rather to a particular one as it's clearly said, and keep in mind that this kind of people WILL dismiss the evolutionary aspect when they feel like it and when it's useful to them, so it's on-point.
The point is that they don't love like men, no matter how much one might try to find excuses for it it doesn't make it any more true, if anything while not false it's just off-topic.
[–]AlationMath0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
The relation to the post is pretty obvious. Clearly it is related to the point itself by adding onto it and expanding it to other things I have seen on this sub. I know the point is that they don't love like men. I pretty clearly outlined that it doesn't matter, of course they will love in a different way...It is hilarious that something so blatantly related to the post you say is possibly off-topic.
[–]novhaku0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
pretty clearly outlined that it doesn't matter, of course they will love in a different way...
Speak for yourself. Do you have any idea of how many people would try to hang you if you said this in other places if you don't add "in a better way" or something like that?
And no, because you're the only one caring about whether it is "normal" here or not. As I already said, this post is an ANSWER. This is the part that you're missing. Who gives a shit about your "it doesn't matter" (again, that's your PoV and nothing else, and not even the point of the topic which was a REACTION. And sure, "love in a different way". What a convenient way to put any bullshit behind the idea of "love" to create some excuse. While I don't believe you're WK, it's a poor choice of word because it can mean anything and nothing at once).
I'll make it easy for you : Two people argue about love when it comes to men and women > Womay say that women love men somehow > this guy says that men don't love women as we usually understand this word in most situations> you react by saying that "it's "normal" it's just another way not bad" etc or whatever other crap; the point is that "it's different not a problem".
It's off topic because you're basically agreeing with op's point anyway although using different words since his meaning of "love" is less flexible (which is for the best since at least we know what he's talking about), the point is that he was ARGUING WITH A THOT. Who are the first ones to dismiss evolutionary aspects and I SERIOUSLY doubt that when she told him that they also love men she meant "we also know love even if it's a love based on hypergamy and that quite different from your meaning"; that much was pretty much implied and obvious. Again, the point isn't whether it's "normal" or if it "doesn't matter", whether this justify things or not will depend of personal sensibilities. But your meaning is probably not what the woman, or most of the world for that matter, has in mind when talking or debating about this.
[–]Viver_Enola0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is related to op's post. He literally said that women will not do anything in war and if their man is killed during the war, they will reproduce with another man. While men will fight and sacrifice themselves for their country, woman and children.
[–]21scavage9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They dont even love their kids as much as men love women
[–]_MCMXCVI_8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, they would just go to the other side and start fucking everyone to gain their favor and ensure their saftey.
Remember, women rarely compete. They just hang out at the finish line and fuck the winner.
[–]GuntherPrien7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is very true...when it comes to making a sacrifice...women will hightail it. As soon as a guy loses his job..the countdown clock starts ticking...seen it so many times. It is amazing just how predictable a woman's behavior is once you've read some Red Pill Articles...the behavioral patterns are almost completely universal.
[–]wathon26 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
women love men in the same way a parasite loves its host.
[–]Obio14 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Women love just as much as men do?
Hold my beer....
This is easy to prove:
Know any female doctors that married male nurses?
Know any female restaurant owners that married male waiters?
Know any female pilots that married male flight attendants?
Know any female CEO's that married their male administrative assistant?
Etc.
If women loved as much as men, we'd see those things all the time. But we don't.
And yet when the genders are reversed we do see them ...all the time.
Women very rarely "marry down". Ergo, "love" is not the primary motivating force for women.
And yet, since the gender reversed scenarios are actually extremely common, love does appear to be a common motivating force for men.
Case closed.
[–]Gemjab3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's sad because kids in school are believing in this inequality??? Even though men have died for them, and gave them the rights to complain.
[–]ELPwork2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Accurate as fuck!
[–]Logandanielsboi2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What was this from?
[–]munt4life123[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://youtu.be/tXnMmC39Dig
[–]Gemjab2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And built everything starting from knocking two rocks together to the modern day.
[–]Gemjab0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It really is clown world. And it takes men years to see it.
[–]thewatisit1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They do give up their money and life savings. To catfishes.
[–]crynoS11 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women have never been in a position of power do to this. If women ran the world and had all this money and strength, they would. But they have neither.
[–]StuckOnThePlantation1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait. So you're telling me that Mulan is a work of fiction?
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The word in the bible used as love is greek agape, which in the same text is translated as charity multiple times.
Christ furthermore says, "if you love me, keep my commandments".
Take that for what you will.
[–]apotheosis771 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women dont love, they desire.
[–]StatiliusTaurus1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If ever any MGTOW needs a reminder on how women never love men, here is a classic by Thinking Ape (or as he was then - Stardusk) called 'Coming to Terms with Reality':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ygCnkUYElI&list=PL8jg7wwatN2UYUWg5gRzDjSqtdG0-DgwX&index=2&t=0s
[–]Shaikan_0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's projecting. Men are disposable due to reproduction - women are not. They'll never sacrifice themselves because they're inherently more valuable for evolution. That's why men die in wars and spend their livelihood on women - their golden vagina is the sacred cow. That'll never change until we engineer an artificial womb and render them obsolete.
[–]Atton_Risk0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True said
[–]throwmyaccountaway990 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, some would. But it's like 50% of men would do that for women. Whereas 1% of women would do it for men. It's basically irrelevant. Though women will still point towards exceptions as the rule.
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[–]munt4life123[S] 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
There is an inherent difference in psychology between both genders. We aren’t the same, which is not a bad thing, it’s just what it is.
The divide isn’t there, you are just looking for one.
[+]Donkeyfluff-17 points-16 points-15 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
An inherent difference in physchology is where you base your criticisms on women on. So yes you see a divide in that sense. Also the statement that women have some inherent differences in physchology is not wrong. However, the magnitude of this differences don't equate to this subs grievances with the "modern woman".
Look I'm willing to talk, what physchological differences in women do you take issue with?
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy, for instance. Though i'm not inclined for a debate right now as it's past midnight
[–]munt4life123[S] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It’s not so much I take an issue with them, I’ve already accepted female nature. I don’t really care now anymore, I just tell other guys who don’t haven’t dated much about my personal anecdotes and give advice if asked. As well as make memes that I find funny.
There’s a lot of things, and I doubt we are going to see eye to eye on a lot of them.
[+]Donkeyfluff-6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Well if there are inherent biologically based differences in physchological behaviour I can't disagree with you. I just need an example of such a trait you take issue with.
[–]munt4life123[S] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy, constant shit tests while dating, mood fluctuations on the whim are things that come to mind.
[–]immortal_coherence7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's hard to believe you are asking this.
Someone already said hypergamy, but I would call that a weaker argument has men are hypergamous too, but we've accepted not doing it to align within monogamous society.
A better argument comes from the fact that men have more testosterone coursing through them which leads to all sorts of psychological differences (again, my f*cking god, I can't believe this needs to be said).
Testosterone makes men more and competitive and when necessary more aggressive (men protect women from violence, not the other way around). Higher testosterone levels makes men more immune to depression, something women experience far more, and increasing as we move further into a gynocetric society.
Spatial awareness navigation are male traits derived from our psychological differences. From driving, to piloting aircraft, mostly men take these roles because males are better at it.
Men are psychologically better at handling hardship, while not letting their emotions get the best of them.
Speaking of emotion, women tend to be more influenced by emotional factors and base their decisions on emotions. Men tend to base their decisions more on reason and logic.
Physical performance is not just physical, it's actually mostly mental. Which is why you never see men and women competing against each other.
The 15 yo boys who beat the U.S. womens soccer team for instance. Those boys mopped those girls up because psychologically men are better in those arenas.
Think of all the jobs men do that women prefer not to, like mining jobs. Mining has been increasingly less physical but the mental hardship is something only men can handle.
Of course there are acceptions, but where the acceptions are you'll find that the women tend to be more masculine in behavior and characteristics. So basically they would be less attractive to the opposite sex and end up breeding less, not passing these traits on to the next generation. It's a non-desirable and therefore unnatural trait.
Yes, women can strive to be more like men, but the vast majority of women can't excel in arenas where men do.
Was it in Florida where the all women crew tried to build the pedestrian bridge and it collapsed? Engineering; men simply do it better due to our psychological differences.
As a matter of fact, men do damn near everything better than women due to psychological differences... except maybe deception. But I think if men lowered their morals threw out integrity they would probably be better at that too.
I used to believe where women had men was in nurturing their young, but these modern women are changing that opinion.
[–]immortal_coherence0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Edit: okay so I went over the top on this one. I could say the grievances would be in the fact that women believe they are equal to men, and beyond hypergamy, fuck things up. That bridge for instance. Being the head of families (matriarchal homes). Trying to make every thing comfortable for women to enter into gender quotas for jobs in male dominated jobs where men perform better).
Women being unrestricted sluts, and wanting to avoid the consequences of doing so. Man can sleep with more women than women and still pair-bond. It's a fact. Deal with being slut shamed, sluts.
Women thinking they are better then men, when in fact the opposite is true, but we aren't trying to throw this in women's face like they do us. Women have babies and breast feed, besides that men have women beat, but we don't go around bragging about it.
[–]Valk_Eir9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's interesting you say we act like there is a humongous divide. No, we aren't acting like it. We know there is. And i get your point! Not all women are like what you described. There are wonderful, hard working, and honest women out there. My mother is one of the only women i appreciate and respect to the utmost extreme exactly for those reasons. However, sadly for you the truth is that modern women are more likely to not be one of those "wonderful ladies". Men don't generally go looking for rich women to marry and divorce rape, to tie them down by having children, to cheat on their spouses and act like it's the spouse's fault that they cheated, etc. The majority of modern women don't love their male spouses for who they are. Most will leave you in the blink of an eye if you lose your ability to provide. Just look at the rate of divorce initiated by women vs. men In other words, women are hypergamous by nature and the modern society has only amplified this nature and commended them for it. We simply understand this and accept it.
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what a focking donkey
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