Why good men are hard to find: women's bargaining power has seriously eroded

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2018-03-23T18:32:24+00:00

Why do women assume they deserve good men? They’re not good women. If they’ve been fucking around in their 20’s getting pumped and dumped by Chads then they’ll never be good women. And virgin girls are just a ticking time bomb for sluthood, anyway. AWALT.

EuphemisticallyTrue · 2018-03-23T18:36:53+00:00

"Today, most men can have all the sex they want for very little cost" - tell that to legions of thursty 'ultimate gentlemen'.

Marque01 · 2018-03-23T18:43:26+00:00

TL;DR

A lot of women seem to have their act together these days. But a lot of men don't.

Hahahaha. That's all I had to read to know that this six month old article completely misses the point :)

JianRohnsonKennedy · 2018-03-23T18:27:38+00:00

Just another "dont worry gais, ive figured it out" article from some clueless hag.

a) She's talking about 30+. You can't find good men because youre too old. Nothing else matters.

b) Men strive less in society because they are ruthlessly ridiculed and belittled for even mediocre levels of achievement, and any idiot can destroy all they've built over decades with about 10 seconds worth of lies.

c) Higher education achievement is now meaningless. I'd say the 40/60 ratio signals that more men are smart enough to recognize a losing proposition. If you're not coming out of school a lawyer (not for long), doctor or STEM grad (fields where the ratio is probably 70/30 combined), then you're kind of a fucking idiot.

It's funny when women think they're offering concessions when they have absolutely no clue how far down the rabbit hole we've already gone. If they are getting worked up over this juvenile pablum, they are going to be shitting themselves when the real reckoning comes.

SlowJellyfish1 · 2018-03-23T19:00:38+00:00

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sir_wankalot_here · 2018-03-23T18:46:11+00:00

They will always talk in circles but won't EVER mention the elephant in the room: it's not the access to sex which the women provide in exchange of the men's resources but children. It's deeply insulting when they treat the men as some low-level animals (at least when I cared about it). Now, the "Family" courts made it absolutely clear whom those children really belong to and who has the financial responsibilities for them. In other words, if your wife can kick you out of your house and take your children away from you, it's not your house, wife or the children. Now, what sort of a man would want such a one-sided "deal"? As far as the marriage is concerned, the same women who offer you their "love" (whatever it is), are always trying to put the government watchdog on your case through the marriage license. How is that fucking compatible with that "feeling" they like so much to declare for you before you sign your life away that is?

2018-03-23T20:03:40+00:00

Men don’t want used up whores in their 30’s? What a shock. Sounds similar to women not wanting broke dudes in their early 20’s. Deal with it you dumb bitches just like we dealt with it when we were younger and you were fucking your dads friend cause he was throwing you 100 dollar bills on the reg.

Global_MGTOW · 2018-03-23T21:41:42+00:00

The good men are with the good women. If you can't find a good man, you're not a good woman.

MGTOWlifestyle · 2018-03-23T18:59:20+00:00

Again, women take no responsibility and don't think they should be held accountable for anything. Reading the article, you clearly notice how the author (a woman) blames men, society, and even technology for losing the only bargaining chip they have (or used to): sex.

"Oh, men now have access to cheap, easy sex..." Instead of thinking WHY many men are going this way, i.e., not giving a shit about relationships anymore, just sex, these women seek to make it difficult for men, by passing laws prohibiting prostitution, porn and technologies that facilitate that, to get the power back.

If their nature allowed some accountability, they'd realize how fucked up women are nowadays, in many, many ways. I mean, they always had a questionable nature, but now they can lie, manipulate, cheat, be a narcissistic psychopath with NO consequences; in fact, they are encouraged to act like that! The answer to the article's question would be very clear.

EuphemisticallyTrue · 2018-03-23T18:19:03+00:00

The comments were great but they closed the comment section.

roxon89 · 2018-03-23T18:58:27+00:00

While i understand women’s frustration on some level, too many men have been burned by too many women too many times, myself included. I don’t believe AWALT like many on this forum but dating in general and marriage in particular simply isn’t worth the emotional and financial investment required. I’ve said many times on here, when a marriage is working there’s nothing better but when it’s not, there’s nothing worse. And far too often, it just doesn’t work.

kyledontcare · 2018-03-23T20:01:46+00:00

"When women complain that marriageable men (sober, steady good providers) are harder to find than ever, they may well be right.".
Straight from the whorse's mouth. They want providers. Why the fuck would any man want to be a provider?
Put the shackles on me and change my name to Toby! Plantation, here I come!

CursingWhileNursing · 2018-03-23T20:28:52+00:00

It used to be that men and women each had something the other really needed. Men needed access to sex. Women needed access to resources. Men couldn't get steady access to sex unless they had resources to offer, so they worked hard for them.

You've just admitted that women are prostitutes. Congrats.

But wait. Hasn't online dating made the mating market easier? Yes – for men. [...] Single women are more equal and empowered than ever before. They have unparalleled sexual, reproductive and economic autonomy.

You have just admitted that you are a hypocrite and not capable of logic thought.

For men, sex was traditionally expensive. The price tag was a long-term commitment to provide for a woman (and children). But today, sex is cheap.

And you don't ask for whom? Is sex cheap for the men you want to take care of you once you've hit the wall? No, for them sex is still expensive, it is Chad that gets sex for free. On Tinder.

Today, most men can have all the sex they want for very little cost – no fancy dinner required.

Still don't get it? Fancy dinners are still required for "good men", which have to pay for the mere privilege of you talking to them. Chad still gets sex for free.

When women complain that marriageable men (sober, steady good providers) are harder to find than ever, they may well be right.

No, you would find them if you would actually appreciate them. Instead you are looking for Chad. On Tinder.

"I think the greatest, most astonishing fact that I am aware of in social science right now is that women have been able to hear the labour market screaming out 'You need more education'… and men have not," MIT economics professor Michael Greenstone says in Cheap Sex.

And that is, because men were always aware that society and economy are a battlefield and that education is a prerequisite for success. While women still think it's okay and only natural to get everything handed on a silver plate and demand that STEM fields should use "easier math", you cuck.

What might explain this puzzling fact? Men don't have to prove themselves as providers any more. They can get all the sex they want anyway – including online porn on demand that can make the real thing feel mildly disappointing.

Again. Chad has not to prove himself as provider. That privilege is reserved for the nice guy who you called "creep" and "harasser" for shyly asking you out for a coffee.

Like it or not, women have always been the gatekeepers for sex – not because they don't like sex, too, but because (no matter what you learned in gender studies) men's sex drive is innately higher.

No, because for women dating is like sifting through a plethora, while for nice men; it is hard work and comes with the increasing risk of getting accused of being called "creeps" and "harassers", publicly shamed on social media and utterly ruined on a whim.

Since the women's cartel collapsed, women's bargaining power has seriously eroded.

Because nice guys are realising that you never live up to your own standards and that being nice just does not pay off.

It may take a village to raise a child. But it takes a village to ~~raise~~ shame and pressure a man into being a husband, too.

Fixed that for you, bitch.

And the worst part about this article? This cunt probably really believes that crap.

lycanroc-lez-go · 2018-03-23T21:28:29+00:00

If you're a good looking man with a STEM job and a nice family, you can literally have anyone you want.

Tbh the bargaining power of women has eroded so severely you could probably get a beautiful doctor who makes double what you do with this combination.

I'd just suggest being happy and single, that was just an analogy to show the state of the bargaining power of women.

2018-03-24T00:42:22+00:00

Stopped reading right here when she tells me that women in their 30s have it tough. "All the women want serious relationships that lead to marriage, but many of the men they meet do not."

Funny, because when these 30 somethings were of the ages 15-25 they WERE NOT looking for something serious and instead too busy with Live, Laugh, Chad. The smart ones found their Beta-bux wallet in their mid 20s.

Hang this on their wall. BED MADE LIE.

davisyoung · 2018-03-23T19:54:13+00:00

Writer falls victim yet again to the apex fallacy, something feminists are unfailingly susceptible to. When women deregulated the sexual marketplace, they all went after the Chads. The result was an oversupply of pussy, but it's only reserved for the Chads. Even though Chads "can have all the sex they want for very little cost," there are only so many of them and they can only smash so much. Hence value of pussy declines due to the overabundance of supply and relative lack of demand.

Meanwhile pussy dries up for the average and lower value males because women are all off chasing Chads, so, pussy value in that realm increases because the supply is short and the demand amongst those men is high. Just ask an average guy of the shitshow that is out there in the dating arena. But the writer only sees Chad's situation because, really, why should she be different than any other woman? But the apex fallacy kicks in and she ascribes Chad's comfortable position to most men when clearly this is not the case.

OMEGA195 · 2018-03-23T18:39:36+00:00

Gender studies major, EL OH EL

kyledontcare · 2018-03-23T21:46:50+00:00

Be a better woman and you'll get a better man. But guess what? That still hasn't changed any divorce laws. A guy can still lose 90% of his stuff in a divorce and have his children torn from him because she's bored and misses threesomes with Chad and his friends when she was 20 at Big State U 10 years ago. Like they say at Johnny Walker, men: "Keep Walking."

motorscuz · 2018-03-23T23:42:32+00:00

If a woman isnt married by their 30's and wants a family, she is in a mess. She has nothing to offer while the man has accrued assets. The looks which she has relied on for so long are failing her.

binrobinro · 2018-03-23T20:14:48+00:00

Men accept something that women offer up freely, something they both enjoy, so the author says that they are "louts".

2018-03-23T20:21:13+00:00

Feminists created this though. They are why Tinder even exists. So ironic.

fcb98292 · 2018-03-23T21:38:45+00:00

Because the good men have gone where they cannot be found.

1UPZ__ · 2018-03-23T23:31:13+00:00

Sluts love Tinder. Man-whores and good looking ones love Tinder.

But women in their 30s looking for relationship... SHOULD hate Tinder, because its stealing their "business" in a sense.

And its true about how cheap sex is now... I know heaps of guys who did alright with women.. but these days, a good porn is enough for them to get off... lol... 5 minutes... instead of the old days of going out for dinner spending money then sex... a lot of effort.

ghostsnnicesprites · 2018-03-24T00:32:42+00:00

“This is the premise of a bracing new book, Cheap Sex, by American sociologist Mark Regnerus. Sex got cheap because of three technological developments: the advent of the Pill, which divorced fertility from sex; the onset of mass-produced, high-quality pornography; and the arrival of online dating sites, which make it easy for men to find willing sex partners.

Sexual liberation is a fabulous thing – in some ways. But it can also turn men into louts, because women don't expect much in return for access. Today, most men can have all the sex they want for very little cost – no fancy dinner required. The irony, as Mr. Regnerus writes, is that today's mating market is probably more dominated by men's interests than ever before.“

Lol no female responsibility at all. It takes two to fuck. I don’t understand why they circle around responsibility. They place the blame of women giving it up easy to chads on the rest of men lmfao. Kk bye hamster sloots.

airmaildolphin · 2018-03-23T22:57:38+00:00

If all women want to find a good man and settle down, then who is supposedly having all of the cheap and easy sex with men that the author of this article is complaining about? Answer: it's those SAME WOMEN (only in their twenties). Once they hit the wall, it becomes a different story.

Yashugan00 · 2018-03-24T03:46:27+00:00

Women hate Tinder... only now that it has backfired on them. They're not sorry, they're sorry they were found out (about their hypergamous ways)

SlowJellyfish1 · 2018-03-23T22:16:43+00:00

How come these articles are never about "single women in their early to mid TWENTIES" who just want a serious relationship?

2018-03-24T04:59:18+00:00

LOL.

Women DEMANDED sexual liberation. Now they reap the consequences

Look at 1950s America-- Beautiful, wholesome nuclear families. Sluts were shamed. As it should be. But apparently that wasn't the ideal society...

So funny to hear women complain about relationship economics today, given that we're living with the results of a women's social/political movement.

it's like-- bitch, told ya so!

"It used to be that men and women each had something the other really needed. Men needed access to sex. Women needed access to resources. Men couldn't get steady access to sex unless they had resources to offer, so they worked hard for them."

Translation: soft/casual prostitution is no longer working out for women.

"Sexual liberation is a fabulous thing – in some ways. But it can also turn men into louts, because women don't expect much in return for access."

LOL. So, women are easy sluts who need to be more demanding? I smell entitlement!

A lot of women seem to have their act together these days. But a lot of men don't. "I think the greatest, most astonishing fact that I am aware of in social science right now is that women have been able to hear the labour market screaming out 'You need more education'… and men have not," MIT economics professor Michael Greenstone says in Cheap Sex.

Oh, "a lot", eh? Well that explains everything! What precise metrics she uses!!! She must have done some serious data analysis to reach that remarkable conclusion! /s

More education? No dude. More skills. Education doesn't matter for shit if you can't get shit done. Getting shit done is what gets people paid, not taking classes. (although if the classes lead to skills, then alright-- but let's not get the value proposition confused here.)

Fuck going into debt for education. Men know they can get paid to build skills (i.e. move up the ranks in the skilled trades for example), or that they can build skills for free (i.e. learn tech skills online and via ebooks). We're not as gullible as women in getting pushed to go into debt for "education"

And then she goes and says this...

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" my father used to say. It drove me crazy when he said that. Now, it's dawned on me that he was right.

Followed afterwards by this:

It may take a village to raise a child. But it takes a village to raise a husband, too. And modern society has largely abdicated from the job. "Good husband material doesn't occur naturally, but is instead the product (in part) of socialization, development, and social control,"

It's like this bitch didn't even read her own words. What the fuck? ... She didn't listen to her father, who fucking raised her... but she's going to go and say men need to get raised properly by society? Wtf? Dumb cunt is irrational and can't follow a logical thread of thought, even coming from her own deranged mind!

She ends it with this

"Time to get our act together, ladies. If we don't, they won't either."

No shit, Sherlock. How about leave it at "Time to get our act together, ladies.". Don't assume shit about men-- no one but simp cucks are going to follow women's lead.

99posse · 2018-03-24T23:42:20+00:00

I find the analysis extremely correct (women have less bargaining power because sex is commoditized). What I don't see in the article is the obvious conclusion: men are not, and should not provide for women because women don't have anymore anything valuable to offer. If they want to get married, they should approach the relationship (surprise!) as equal. Similar income, similar workload, similar expectations.

2ravens · 2018-03-25T10:48:47+00:00

"Good husband material doesn't occur naturally, but is instead the product (in part) of socialization, development, and social control"....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep writing shit like this. It's like you are running a multimillion dollar marketing campaign to create more MGTOW's.

stringedbeams · 2018-03-24T01:20:17+00:00

why are good men so hard to find?

because in part women have been parented improperly and given false privileges and "rights", artificially making them more equal to men, so men have to work double as hard to make more money and become more attractive than them; next generation has to parent their girls taking away these false privileges and "unfairly" give advantages to their sons (which is the better investment and division of labor as the men can produce more as they are stronger and smarter) which will reflect more of the natural unbalance between the genders which leads the women to naturally be more attracted to the stronger men. obviously common sense applies if there are deviations from this general rule

edit: commented before reading article in depth. all these people say "sex is cheap today". Obviously we know that's a distortion and 80% of men are excluded while the "cheap sex" is allegedly going to the top 20%-10% of men, but 100% of tradcon men are excluded who are really trying to live as they're supposed to (no fornication or adultery, no sex until marriage - so even if sex was "cheaper and easier today for men" it would not be helping tradcon men who aren't allowed to have sex until married).

edit 2: ultimately I think this will just make 4x the amount of work for men to fix this. Having to work double as much as women to be more attractive than them, and having to put a lot of resources in to reversing the damage and taking hits from the social attacks that SJWs would level, this is just creating a lot of work that will have to be done by someone eventually, if anyone wants to take up the fight

2018-03-24T02:42:03+00:00

Women did not become prostitutes because of evil men.

Women became prostitutes to acquire resources and to survive a cold, hard and dangerous world, doing the least amount of work possible.

It makes no difference whether I hand women emotions, food, cash, vehicles, clothing or houses... or whether the government steals money from me and buys stuff for women or gives them my money.

It's all the same. Women prostitute themselves for quality-of-life and survival while men work for them.

xnihilum · 2018-03-24T04:50:35+00:00

"But wait. Hasn't online dating made the mating market easier? Yes – for men."

HA! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! wheezing sounds

IronMeltsinmyHands · 2018-03-24T03:17:41+00:00

Goood fucking luck.

verynormalsimple · 2018-03-24T03:34:53+00:00

As long as one of the 2 parts still has bargaining power, it's degrading for the other part to engage.

Juxtapointer · 2018-03-24T03:42:11+00:00

Why are good men so hard to find?

Authors photo is a typical post wall hag with an immutable thousand cock stare...

Hmm... I wonder what could be going on here? /s

nosoupforyou · 2018-03-24T05:41:55+00:00

Single women are more equal and empowered than ever before. They have unparalleled sexual, reproductive and economic autonomy. In many ways, they're doing much better than the men. (Just look at the lopsided university graduation rates, which are now around 60-40). And yet, large numbers of young women admit their private lives are a sad mess.

Problem is that art history degrees or a masters in gender studies won't get you anything but burger flipping jobs.

I'd like to see the numbers for graduation rates between genders with actual income producing degrees.

ShrunkenHed · 2018-03-24T17:18:15+00:00

A lot of women seem to have their act together these days. But a lot of men don't.

I guess men only have their "act together" when they chase 30+ year old, beating, shriveled, dried up, leprotic cunt.

They still don't get it. And this is from "MIT" professors. This is why you should never mind social norms.

Title	Why good men are hard to find: women's bargaining power has seriously eroded
Author	w0lf1n
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Date	March 23, 2018 6:13 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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Women DEMANDED sexual liberation. Now they reap the consequences