STEM, women, and the feels

walking_ape · 2016-05-06T13:16:19+00:00

Let's get one thing straight: most people can't do STEM. The level of cold logical and analytical thinking required in these jobs is not what the average person, male of female, would be able to handle.

I think we are a bit overrepresented on TRP, but that's because, those of us who are "gifted" with deeper analytical thinking and academic intelligence than average, are also "cursed" with weaker social intelligence than average.

I've met many men who did Computer Science in college, then went on to work as IT consultants doing boring/menial IT work.

I've interviewed many men who graduated Computer Science but can't handle simple programming exercises.

The blogosphere is full of male programmers who complain about how the hiring process is "broken" because they don't want to be bothered to think and reason about simple exercises on a whiteboard.

It is rare to meet decent engineers. If you find them, stick to them.

I objectively see myself as not a very good engineer. I make tons of mistake and I could use a lot of training and mentoring. I'm not just trying to act humble. I literally deal with my own problems and mistakes every day, having to fix bugs I've introduced, having to fix performance issues that arose due to poor design decisions, etc.

Sadly, from what I've seen in the field, I seem to be above average :/

of an even worst template framework that has no right existing (angularJS for those who care)

I refuse to touch that shit!

nodoxsavefreespeech · 2016-05-06T15:00:53+00:00

Yes... Feel the anger flow through your body. Harness it. Channel it. Use it to advance the darkness of the patriarchy.

CornyHoosier · 2016-05-06T20:19:50+00:00

Your post didn't have much in the way of STEM and seems like you might still be in your anger phase. As a man who has been doing IT for the past 12-13 years and risen reasonably well in my career, I'll say this about women in STEM:

I've never once seen a woman handed a purely technical role. Computer science is one of those positions that is very difficult to flub your way through long-term if you don't know what you're doing. Any hiring IT manager can spot a fraud from a mile away. I'm sure it may happen, but most people don't want to hand their critical infrastructure over to anyone that doesn't know what they're doing.

That said, I've only worked with a handful of women who were my peers throughout my entire career and only had one woman graduate college with me. These women were bright, ambitious and fit in well with the rest of the male-dominated teams.

I grew up a very poor kid (raised by a single mother). Even when I was little my passion was computers and technology. Heck, I used to sneak into school on the weekends to play on the only PC in town. While a lot of my success was drive and determination, I'm not so egotistical as to think I simply did it all myself. I will often volunteer my time with charities or groups and especially am fond of volunteering my technical services for non-profits (I've moved up enough that I don't get as much hands-on IT work anymore). In one particular instance I was asked by my high school Alma mater to speak with students (and their parents) who are interested in pursuing technical careers. The crowd was almost exclusively mothers and their sons. Afterwards I was speaking with a teacher that does a Cisco program with the kids and he mentioned his classes are also all male dominated.

So there I was - I knew that women where mentally smart enough to handle tech, so why weren't they joining? The back IT offices of the world do have a lot of trash talk throw around, but I never once overheard any straight-up misogyny (because usually IT people just see the office as themselves vs the user).

(Warning: speculation from here on out)

Maybe it is the parent's fault. Surely in those groups of boys that came to see me there must have been some daughters interested in technology. The U.S. needs as many bright minds in various sciences and technologies as possible and there have been/are many intelligent women in my field.

Maybe tech isn't "cool" and high school girls simply care about social status more than boys? In which case, maybe we should start having some gender segregation in K-12 schooling.

In short: Don't think women aren't smart enough to understand technology. Women are plenty smart. Different than men, yes. However, the first time you think your dick makes you smarter than someone because they have a vagina, you're going to get steam-rolled by someone with a vagina.

Il128 · 2016-05-06T13:20:19+00:00

I work for a fortune 50 pharma company and it's a fact of life that women do not do mission critical tasks.

The hard truth is women can't get projects done on time. If a project is 40 hours behind she'll say it's going to be a week late. A man will just work an 80 hour week.

The women who are "successful" have a team of men who do their work for them.

The areas where women really "shine" are HR and marketing. Both are really just do nothing jobs.

Maso_falcon · 2016-05-06T15:50:19+00:00

Sounds like you hate your job buddy

MOCKxTHExCROSS · 2016-05-06T18:18:26+00:00

I worked with a women who did stuff like correlating fea results with mode shapes on a diesel engine successfully, so they are out there. Just rare, and usually child-less.

MattyAnon · 2016-05-06T15:51:27+00:00

Women are capable of 2 kinds of love, I forgot the names of them but let's call it BETA love and

Beta love doesn't exist. Beta love is the "love" of receiving, and the resentment of being dependent.

FrameWalker · 2016-05-06T13:56:31+00:00

I work with lots of women on engineering projects. They're as effective as many men. It all comes doen to how they were raised.

raisins3142 · 2016-05-06T13:17:23+00:00

I'm not a programmer in title or degree, but have had to do my share especially in school. The top level was nearly all men. The ones that could surprise the prof and be extremely clever were several men and one woman. It is partly the ability to think abstractly. Women would get frustrated because programming isn't simply explaining to a computer what you'd like it to do in the manner you'd instruct a human. They would all do it that way with predictable results.

herewehoagain · 2016-05-06T19:56:25+00:00

Haha I really enjoyed the examples. This was an fun read.

the-capitan · 2016-05-06T21:27:47+00:00

i work at a tech company that's been overrun by non-techie women. this shit is terrible. they don't know how to get anything done, and can't figure it out themselves.

seriously, all the "women aren't aggressive and don't get shit done" stereotypes are being validated every day.

MajorStyles · 2016-05-07T23:03:25+00:00

My female cousin went for a STEM related degree to a top-notch school. After two semesters, she caved in and quit.

Her whole life she was filled with girl power nonsense. Then, when it came time to prove herself, she failed. If she was pumped with reality instead of SJW nonsense, she might not have been so misguided.

Now she is back at home, living off her parents, and obese.

redThrow10 · 2016-05-10T01:16:10+00:00

Red Pill STEM Truths:

Women are actually pretty good in demanding disciplines that filter properly. Physics, Math, Chemistry, you'll find top-notch women. One for every 75 or so men. Oddly enough, they are usually smoking hot. Gee, I wonder why? Instant support network of thirstiest dudes on campus. Everyone wanted to "help" them, so how can they not be exceptional at their subject? But, half of them are knocked up or on the trail to honk out kids after they finish the MS.
Computer science university departments are horrible at filtering undergrads. Job interviews for CS jobs can be full-on panel interrogations that are PhD-like in their depth. The reason is, universities are 20 years behind in CS technologies and practices, and a CS degree by itself is an utterly untrustworthy metric for team leaders looking to staff a team.
Women in CS departments get all kinds of pussy pass. The exception is the competent ham-planet that is so unfuckable, she has nothing better to do than gasp actually write the damn code for her homework by herself.
CS bachelor's degrees are a computer driver's permit. You do not hand over the keys to a big rig to the pimply faced 17 year old who is still ironing out their 100 foot back-up and three-point turns.
If you are working on web technology, your life is pain. Web technologies are all half-baked idiotic shit. Anything involving any flavor of XML is shit. Web languages, PHP, JavaScript... all crap. You know they're crap, and I'm here to tell you, no, you're not crazy, you are in fact correct. All the world really needs are a few buttons and textboxes and one or two pictures in some reasonably organized arrangement. No one gives a fuck if the site where they pay their e-bill has some cool fade effect on "OK" button. We're just paying our electric bill goddamn it, we don't need a slide-out menu.
Once Dr. Hotness gets out of school, she will do what she has always done. Rely on orbiters to make her career happen. In the lab alone, her efforts suddenly have no back-up from Professor Oldenhorny. If she is incompetent, she will eventually go on family leave forever. If she is truly competent, she will get bored with actual engineering or science. Watch them migrate to "management." With some batshit crazy agenda other than actually doing good technical product development. The queen bee will always try to bring in new girls just starting their "careers." Refer to point 3.

Every swinging dick that's been in STEM for a while knows these things.

This is what STEM men do:

If you are in authority, don't hire them. Culture fit is a legit reason to not hire. Dr. Hotness is overqualified. Ms. Token is underqualified. The ham planet will actually be competent, but we can find some other dude who is actually funny or pleasant to work with, instead of being bitter about Dr. Hotness and Ms. Token.
If you work with them, double check everything, EVERY FUCKING THING, they do that has your name attached to it. If you don't check it yourself, DON'T SIGN OFF ON IT. If they complain, make a stink, maintain frame and focus on the engineering.
Don't validate the pussy pass. Simply note at your performance review when you are covering for their failings.
If they catch you slipping, maintain frame and ignore it. Engineering is a decades long spiral of personal growth.

buckfitchesgetmoney · 2016-05-06T13:30:59+00:00

There is nothing wrong with angular unless you suck it's a normal framework coupled with the directive concept which is conceptually the same as directives in assembly language. Ez.

OnlyMyOpinionMatters · 2016-05-06T19:03:39+00:00

Why the hate for angular? Not disagreeing, just curious as someone who might have to use it soon.

MrChadthunderc0ck · 2016-05-07T08:09:10+00:00

The only thing I would add is that the FEW women who have some STEM degree get paraded around like hot shit but they STILL want the easy way out. That degree gives them moral superiority though. It also helps that there are quotas and benefits for graduating women so you god damn RIGHT they will make sure they won't fail!

Case in point - Mercedes Carrera (or any pornstar with a supposed decent background)

Anything STEM related is a bitch and a half to go through and you would expect you'd find some place to employ those skills IMMEDIATELY but no what do the women do? Easy way out.

As for aforementioned chick she looks good, like they all do, but lets be real you can't expect much out of a woman. If this was standard knowledge things would go as they usually have continued going on... with men doing important shit AS USUAL.

The top comment is correct in that the extremely smart usually, but not always, are socially awkward in the sense that they realize the masses are too stupid for any actual REAL substantial conversations. If it ain't about beer, sports, gossip, common shit and about real life important shit that can affect you then you're insert derogatory statement.

quicklogaccount · 2016-05-06T14:29:13+00:00

In my field there's both office (design related) work and production (construction site) work. They're usually done by different companies.
There is a fair share of women in office work, mostly by their own means. Most doing checklist work, some doing thinking work and nearly no one in consulting (I know none). But that's not surprising since that's how jobs are distributed either way, so I'd say women are on par.
Office work isn't attractive. Although the average pays are higher than in contractors, there are no big paychecks in companies and very few will make a career guided towards trying to be a consultant. Most that do end up having an easier life (with far less money) in Academia.

Contractors are antagonistic to women in construction sites though (and within them the big paychecks are there). I've heard this from a few guys to this point.
"When younger they'll be better than men, they're more organized, they won't fall in production after marriage (men do for some time), but when they become good (above their 30s), they'll have children and be unavailable, and will either quit and leave you screwed or you'll have to fire them and spend real money on the settlement."
Doesn't this sound like marriage?

Title	STEM, women, and the feels
Author	PM_ME_UR_HOT_PIXELS
Upvotes	45
Comments	48
Date	May 6, 2016 8:39 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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