Why does r/TheRedPill keep throwing us under the bus?

anewaccount4u · 2016-12-12T18:57:14+00:00

The more I read about anti-MGTOW content over at TRP, the more I get the feeling that it's nothing but a cult movement. You're either chasing pussy or you are not a real man.

I once pissed off a ForeverAloner by asking him to view his future without a woman. He would have none of it, though. He said I will remain disappointed in my old age with loneliness and whatnot. Clear parallels can be drawn between TRP and r/ForeverAlone. You're either thirsty for a woman, or there is something wrong with you.

It is also interesting to note that, and not to put too fine a point on it, mainstream media is wary about MGTOW than it is about TRP. That's because the plantation has everything to lose from men who refuse to serve the system.

Sol_Install · 2016-12-12T19:10:32+00:00

I'll explain why TRP throws MGTOW under the bus.

In TRP, they acknowledge the problem. They always say AWALT. This is where we differ, as Barbarossa once said "THE JUICE IS NOT WORTH THE SQUEEZE." TRP believes spinning plates, getting laid, and to some extent being in relationships, and even being married is worth it. Yes, they acknowledge that you must hold "frame" indefinitely. I.e. always keep your cool, never grovel/beg, be ready to cut contact if need be. They think it's wrong that we complain about women instead of doing something about it meaning learning then applying game to maintain a relationship with women. They believe that we should improve ourselves and also enjoy sexual benefits from women.

Thing is we don't give a shit. We know this is how women are. AWALT. The absolute promotion of female interest to the determent of all else. In TRP, they pretty much act like animal tamers. They work to keep women(the animals) in line whereas we don't care either way.

Again, men in TRP want to still deal with women. They're never going to stop. Here, to various degrees we disconnect from women. TRP is basically "You can be Chad or you can be the guys complaining about Chad." What people there don't get is that we are so damn disgusted to such a degree we can't help but not give a shit. We are simply too damn disgusted with female nature and the world we live in, we check out.

Wallstreet3 · 2016-12-12T18:54:07+00:00

Other than the TRP intelligentsia, TRP are a bunch of dudes with unresolved mommy issues putting pussy as a cornerstone of their life.

They shit on us for the same reason that my alcoholic friend keeps trying to get me to start drinking.

Pussy is not metric of manhood or maturity.

Benny757 · 2016-12-12T20:40:14+00:00

I'll take a stab at this one. Writers like GayLubeOil and others like him tend to "see the tree, but miss the forest." They take a label, such as MGTOW, which encompasses many different kinds of men from all walks of life, with all different kinds of experiences and perspectives, and try to cast a net around one particular kind of boy/young man (i.e. the fedora wearing, cheeto-fingered introvert, and some of the more borderline autistic individuals who prefer that lifestyle) and identify all who proclaim themselves MGTOW to be this certain way.

Essentially, GayLubeOil and others like him are bullies. Narrow-minded thinkers with anger issues at the reality they claim they have accepted. Many right wing christian preachers are just like this. They preach, preach, preach, and when they don't get their way, they bully, threaten, lie, and manipulate. This is the sign of a narcissist. This is the sign of an intolerant narcissist. This is the sign of a bigot.

Others think going our own way is failing or quitting. Quite to the contrary. We've simply accepted the Red Pill "reality" and use it to define our own independent path.

Now let's just look at this concept of teaching boys to "spin plates." Hey, to each their own, but has anyone here tried spinning plates, and actually finds it worth dodging and ducking all that multiple female bullshit? My god, it's bad enough having to spin just one, let alone many.

In a rape culture world, just how close is this plate spinning mentality to actually "fitting in" to women's definition of "rape?" The whole thing stinks of running into a lack of consent allegation. I know, I know, 20 percent of the bad boys get 80 percent of the women. GLO, and TRP sub are teaching 80 percent of the boys to act out like the 20 percent.

Now, how close is it for the 80 percent men to get a rape allegation thrown at them. What GLO and the Red Pill like him are teaching is fucking ridiculous, and dangerous. Remember, even the 20 percent get the allegations. Don't even fucking listen to GLO and the other MGTOW haters.

We as MGTOW really don't give a shit, have learned hard from perspective, experience and true life experience, and understand that our way, though maybe solitary, is not lonely. It is liberating. We're the ones free. GLO is trapped in rage.

Edit: Edited for my usual grammar monkeys.

Noomene · 2016-12-12T18:43:01+00:00

Most of them are purple pill tradcons. They're still trapped in the pussy church ... and some of them are afraid for muh white race and muh white birth rate .... so a man going his own way and setting his own rules in life not giving a fuck about society is danger.

Jcart105 · 2016-12-12T19:29:28+00:00

Because we're not a bunch of Gynocentric shills who succumb to their level of desperation and pussy begging. What a disgrace they have made the nomenclature of 'The Red Pill' by doing the opposite of what someone who truly internalizes the RP would do.

Just remember guys, I'd estimate about half of them actually think marriage is a good idea for them, because they have developed enough 'game' to keep their wives wet until death.

wildfireboat · 2016-12-12T20:03:32+00:00

Who cares? I'm going to visit the Rocky Mountains next weekend!

mgtowCHITTY · 2016-12-12T20:23:14+00:00

TRP is only useful for it's sidebar, the community is absolute shit.

grewapair · 2016-12-12T20:32:33+00:00

Most of the regular posters there run their own "how to get laid" type blogs. They make their money on thirsty guys. TRP is really just a forum to drive business to their blogs.

If you read enough TRP posts, however, you come to the conclusion that women are terrible people. After awhile, the blog posters start getting nervous that guys will come to the conclusion that the juice isn't worth the squeeze and will go their own way. But that's bad for business.

So the blog posters now and again shame MGTOW as a way of keeping their business prospects higher. It's nothing more than that.

Zombocom1911 · 2016-12-12T18:55:59+00:00

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MTGOStark · 2016-12-12T23:43:38+00:00

There's a few reasons, that others have outlined already. Something that isn't brought up as often though is simply the age gap. Many of the people in TRP seem to be in their late teens/early 20's. Most of the people in MGTOW seem to be at least in their mid-late twenties, possibly even retired or married/divorced multiple times.

With experience, it becomes apparent that no matter how "alpha" you are, you can't out-alpha the system. Your 6-pack won't stop a divorce rape, career sabotage, or false allegation. Even if you're Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, or George Clooney. Sex, like anything, also just gets boring after a while (another reason why I think TRP is mostly young - they think and act like virgins in regards to sex). Most days, I prefer a nice sushi dinner to sex.

Ultimately TRPers don't realize that their behavior is not much more different than the "beta blue-pillers" they look down on. They are still tied to pleasing women for sex, only instead of a box of chocolates, it's a box of condoms.

GuidoBandito · 2016-12-12T18:52:02+00:00

Case in point:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5hw5tn/put_on_your_fedora_and_go_your_own_way/?st=IWMFQLJ1&sh=63822f91

Smitty6 · 2016-12-12T21:42:59+00:00

If your not a natural chad being good with women is exhausting and takes a lot of time and effort. The ROI is just not worth it. I did it for a while and got pretty decent at it. I decided that I don't care how they see me anymore and just want to be myself.

I think a lot of TRP talk shit about MGTOW because a lot of these guys put in a lot of work and then hate seeing other guys say fuck this I'm done. Because it's against all that they think about. Pussy.

All this work for pussy and it's importance in getting it is now being doubted about by other men. That's almost like an ego check for some men.

If your going to do all the work, do it for you and don't do it for women. Really guys need to forget about any and all validation that they get from women or don't get. Just give it to yourself instead.

RationalistFaith1 · 2016-12-12T22:13:20+00:00

Simple example:

A TRP man can be controlled, through his family, girlfriend, sex friends etc.
A MGTOW man... can't. He's detached and has found the peace inside. He is the black sheep in the society because he doesn't fit as a cog anymore. He is hunted by groups because he has open eyes. He's FREE.

megachrispercent · 2016-12-12T19:53:54+00:00

They're the same as "anti-feminist" women. They expect you to serve women regardless, and if you're not one of their "group," then you're just a "misogynist" and "the same as a feminist, just the other side of the coin."

2016-12-12T20:26:16+00:00

Because they worship the almighty vagina.

NaughtyFred · 2016-12-12T23:34:53+00:00

hehe, here's all you need to know about trp's resident overcompensating closet case u/gaylubeoil

The only special thing about him comes out of a needle
His mannerisms and behaviour on that Samantha Bee show are exactly the mannerisms of the socially awkward spergs he often maligns. She also pwned him with her responses to his comment he doubtless spent hours formulating. Seriously watch how stiff and robotic he is, he can't act alpha at all :D
He wrestled in high school (the repression of gayness started early) so no doubt he was a Grade D student who got into a 2nd rate university on an athletics program, and got a shit 2.7-3.29 GPA in a BS degree like "The History of Ideas". He's a personal trainer by profession, hardly the "6 figure earning captain of industry" expoused by TRP.
I'm not usually one to insult peoples physical appearance but since alphas are meant to be perfect specimens: u/gaylubeoil ... you look like you have down syndrome, go hang a dumbbell off your Levator palpebrae superioris, you missin' a chromosome or what?

TL:DR he's a troll, nothing more.

To be fair there are a surprising amount of TRP bigwigs who think the petty infighting between manosphere groups is counterproductive (TRP does have a MGTOW post flair) but the squeaky wheel always gets the grease.

Paladin2903 · 2016-12-13T04:24:58+00:00

It's simple....most are young and naive, with the straggler 40's "alpha" PUA Chad corporate boss that lives downtown and chases 21 year old club rats, in an effort to wife them up and "dominate" them with his "frame" and mastery of his arm flexing skills, thinking they'll never divorce him.

Generally, (and I stress, GENERALLY) MGTOW are the adults, TRP are the children. They "think," we "know." We've been there and done much of what they're talking about. That's why I smirk when I read many of their posts -- many of which are written by 16-25 year old kids.

I'm not saying any of this to sound condescending or high and mighty, either. I just wish many of them would finally come around and realize that women are toxic. Young gents, it doesn't matter what the fuck you do, you're going to eventually get fucked over in some way, shape, or form...whether you know it or not..

There are some good people in TRP, and there is some good knowledge to be shared and gained. I'll sometimes comment on philosophical posts, but as far as the ones that pertain to pussy-chasing, count me out.

sphinx318 · 2016-12-12T20:38:21+00:00

The path to peace and freedom lies in evolving and transcending our base desires and impulses.

You can achieve this by putting yourself through the meat grinder of personal relationships with women, finding awareness directly through experience, then moving onward from there.

If you get stuck in the constant cycle of being a slave to your desire for pussy like alot of red pillers, then you are surely regressing as a person. No better than Baboons thumping their chests or rutting Caribou in the wild.

It will be interesting to see where the young red pillers will be once they hit their late 30's and into their 40's. They are either in an effective transition stage, or they are doomed for a life of vagina induced enslavement.

2016-12-12T20:26:05+00:00

TRP used to be a great sub re the true nature of women, but now it's gotten steadily worse.

_primeZ · 2016-12-12T22:47:28+00:00

who cares man

if you can stop caring about women then so can you about some subreddit populated by men you don't know

Thevoiceofreason420 · 2016-12-12T20:24:56+00:00

Its simple really, there are people who make themselves feel better about their shitty lives they hate so much by putting other people down and as such make themselves feel better. Its not just TRP that pulls this shit.

Teflon0819 · 2016-12-12T21:51:02+00:00

It's simple.

TRP places a man's value on his ability to successfully court and sleep with women.

MGTOW disregards the thing that TRP bases its self-worth on.

What do people tend to do when the validity of the thing that they base their self-worth on is questioned?

pprstrt · 2016-12-12T22:05:59+00:00

You're half right.

It is the nature of the trp sub that there will be some who have not fully internalized the principles and are still seeking validation. Validation from women (and cucked members of society), from the boys (who are getting pussy), and from themselves (as they have yet to completely unplug from their childhood feminist teachings). Some can still faintly hear the voice of some post-wall woman telling them they'll die alone.

But our biology dictates a sexual apetite. Celibacy is a myth propagated by the LGBQRSTUV types. We cannot escape from 6 million years of evolution. Women are the best measure of male value: A successful male has women, simple as that. We achieve, and women award us with their affection. You are lying to yourself if you think that you'd be turning down 9's and 10's if you woke up as James Dean tomorrow.

JonnieCage · 2016-12-12T22:52:57+00:00

Who cares? Live your life as you see fit and they do the same.

JStheHammer · 2016-12-12T21:44:22+00:00

Why do you care what some Internet stranger thinks of you?

RationalistFaith1 · 2016-12-12T22:07:38+00:00

TRP community are disguised tradcons that at worst are PUAs and at best still slave to the male-mother need.

How dare you do anything for self betterment. It all comes back to seeking the weaker sex's validation.

It's primitive, archaic and a handicap for our species to evolve to more rational and tempered levels.

digdig66 · 2016-12-12T22:13:45+00:00

TRP is the male equivalent of feminism. They define themselves by what women do just like women, especially feminists, try to define women by what men do. The difference is only one of those genders actually does anything.

project_mayhem_ · 2016-12-12T23:01:26+00:00

we have a better product at a lower price. negative marketing is their only option.

ArthurVonL · 2016-12-12T23:15:27+00:00

I really don't get it, higher level MGTOW are leaving more pussy for the redpills, they should thank us? I mean, are we damaging the PUA sellers? Alright they can be angry at us for not giving a fuck about game, less customers. But redpills? Enjoy the extra pussy and leave us be.

former-human2 · 2016-12-13T00:16:00+00:00

Most so called red pill guys ie puas, are bluer than 100 smurfs. They base their life aroung getting female approval. The fact that they are doing it consciously, rather than unconsciously ie the herbs or betas or whatever you want to call them, actually makes them look worse to me.

It's a stage a lot of men have to go through in today's world.

coryandtrevorforever · 2016-12-13T07:56:04+00:00

Sometimes I think redpillers are MGTOWs who aren't ready to let go yet. It's hard to do, it's sort of like climbing a spiritual mountain. Some guys will never be able to let go.

Vergil387 · 2016-12-13T17:44:07+00:00

bro the members of /r/TheRedPill are as big of an enemy to us as feminism is.

these guys claim they are more superior than us because SUPPOSEDLY they get laid more than we do, but I can write you a whole book on how they are fool of shit. anyways to make the story short these guys are hypocrites, its just funny how their whole concept of being "red pillers" is flawed. last time I checked a red piller is a person who is free from all the government's bullshit but they call themselves red pillers because supposedly they are free from gynocentrism. but how exactly can someone be free from gynocentrism if

they are self proclaim PUAs
they put the pussy on pedestals
they condone shaming tactics such as calling other men white knights, manginas, etc
they obsess with the term alpha male
they dedicate more than half of their life trying to be the perfected man that women want.

and did I mentioned that all their bullshit believes are all based on nothing theories?

Factushima · 2016-12-13T23:16:56+00:00

Because TRP is just angry Bluepill.

MGTOW says men should place females at a lower status; not that men should work out real hard and make a lot of money so women will place them at a higher status.

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The__Tren__Train · 2016-12-12T21:42:46+00:00

"Oh my God! These guys are building value for themselves! Fedora wearing man babies, go out there and do everything for Mistress!"

yeah.. we don't say that shit.

mutageno · 2016-12-12T23:39:44+00:00

When I asked TRP the other day they were pissed off with the YouTube MGTOW channels. Not our sub.

I don't like those channels so perhaps it's a particular thing.

It's stupid of us to be divided when there's such a huge enemy against us in this losing battle. Even if you dislike TRP, at least they won't fuck you up like TBP, 2X, SRS, SJWs in general.

I see them as people who want an excuse to improve their lives. That's perfectly fine with me.

karna22 · 2016-12-13T01:29:20+00:00

The main thing about mgtow is not caring about what others think or do. Right?

StayMadJewBoy · 2016-12-13T03:42:13+00:00

I don't know but I made a thread there and they told me what I needed to hear. They seem like a good group to take advice from.

firekosc · 2016-12-13T04:13:56+00:00

Be noticed this, and I don't get it. I am both a Red Pill and recently-ish converted MGTOW, and I can't figure this out. Seems like the ideas go hand in hand- if anything, the red pill is like a collection of similar ideas, and you would think that MGTOW would fit as one of those ideas. It seems like TRP Reddit community is weirdly hostile.

Herpnderp145 · 2016-12-13T04:14:55+00:00

They don't understand how we can't be meatheads chasing pussy and pedestalizing it like them. Dude, there's more things in this world going on other than chasing pussy. It's called life. Ironically you espouse it yet you do the opposite.

Muginns · 2016-12-13T04:26:07+00:00

The way I see it, Red Pill is the well of knowledge that both PUA's and MGTOW's drink from. As long as neither party lays sole claim, or pisses in the water, we are good.

NB. Orgasms lasting 2 seconds are a rip-off, mine last at least 10 seconds...

PabloEscoba · 2016-12-13T05:04:30+00:00

I dont give a damn what TRP drones think of MGTOW. They can have it all who who cares mate

dragonofthesouth1 · 2016-12-13T05:59:14+00:00

Uh... I'm new here. So y'all don't care about fucking?

gonzotw · 2016-12-13T07:29:48+00:00

I unsubbed from there a while ago.

For all they're talk, they're hard core pussy worshipers.

Everything they do is in desperate pursuit of a vagina.

They just pretend it's something else to feel better about themselves.

JFK7878 · 2016-12-13T08:35:17+00:00

It's s all and only about MONEY, each guy who loses interest in TRP is lost revenue for them in books and ads. These tradcons are like women, they promise secret pussy-key for resources. They are frauds who don't get really laid but are very good in convincing others they do. On the internet everybody is alpha and macho, because you can't verify their bullshit.

MK_D · 2016-12-13T08:53:34+00:00

I probably had more women then these fake alphas. And fuck all the mental minefields which they call game. You just have to pick the women that want you. I never lifted and im skinny and I had the plates, one time even too many and as some here said it's not worth it in the long run. Again not to brag but they state all ppl going mgtow are losers and incels. It's just a bias to make them feel better about the thirst.

Just get the fucking stupid idea of field reports. Some thirtsy guy writing about the latest lay. Full of fake and by definition it's always coming from a place of lack.

Women are women and the influence today is against males. Of all my friends none was alpha enough. Yeah i guess they do it a lot better because they write about in on reddit.....Brad Pitt should have just read more TRP and lifffffft and Hold frame. Nonsense.

They are pussy whipped idiots mostly.

Smoothtank · 2016-12-13T08:57:52+00:00

Because MGTOW rejects the end game and purpose of TRP. Nobody likes rejection, or knowing there are living examples around them who/that defy their most sacred tenets.

The only thing MGTOW and Redpill have in common is a acknowledgment of AWALT. But while Redpill remains consumed with the existential problems of women, MGTOW rises above it so redpill is still down in the bottom of the barrel looking up.

If an outsider, call in an alien, were to land on earth, it would probably have a hard time telling people/genders apart. It would probably have a hard time understanding the temperature differences of regions. The difference between blue pill and redpill is simply nuanced. At the end of the day they're after the same thing.

MGTOW is a different entity. I don't have to worry about if I'm lifting enough or "alpha" enough to attract women (redpill). Nor do I have to worry if I'm emotionally intelligent enough or sensitive enough to keep a woman (bluepill).

I'm a free man, unburdened by the need of female gratification. Not to sound arrogant, but I believe we who are MGTOW have claimed a higher ground while the dogs quibble over scraps and share each others' regurgitations.

hertus · 2016-12-13T11:26:25+00:00

Blue pill men think women are innocent and divine creatures and men should sacrifice themselves and appease them.

Red pill men think women are manipulative and deceitful yet men should sacrifice themselves and appease them.

MGTOWs think women are manipulative and deceitful and men should not sacrifice themselves or appease them.

Jokerpool7 · 2016-12-13T12:00:23+00:00

Il explain it , the red pill is a dating strategy as They are still living in the matrix so they shame anyone that wants out .

batfish55 · 2016-12-13T12:15:41+00:00

I have no idea why so many in the manosphere insist on being so fractured.

Perhaps there's a perception that some (several?) MGTOW's really are mom's basement-dwelling neckbeards. After all, "Fuck it, I'm not playing!" is a pretty easy thing to do. Improving yourself, RP-style, is not.

I love the poon. I have game. I'm afraid to make approaches; I don't want a false rape or a sexual harassment accusation. I've accomplished too much in my life to have it thrown away on a mere (bullshit) accusation.

equiposeur · 2016-12-13T14:34:48+00:00

TRP is not really for red pill guys. It's PUAs.

The best way I've heard it described is that they are at the first level: still clinging to their blue pill perspective, although they have caught a glimpse of the red.

rahl_r · 2016-12-12T23:43:31+00:00

...you should focus on building value to be a dominant alpha male!

An alpha male? A clown straight out of a comic book? Please, no...

...if you're not enslaving yourself in some sort of female relationship, all of your self-improvement was for nothing.

From the perspective of a nihilist, everything is for nothing. If I were immortal, I would have loved scheming, weaving intricate webs, and furthering my little twisted evil plans. But then, I'm just a pathetic mortal -- just like the rest of 'em. Within such circumstances, what good is scheming? Sooner or later, I'll kick the bucket, and all my potential schemes will be gone with me. Oh well...

The only sensible thing a puny mortal can do is to enjoy the ride...

...preparing for the next economic COLLAPSE (which is right around the fucking corner).

Did I just say "enjoy the ride"? This (the collapse, i.e. seeing the world burn, i.e. seeing those "normal people" fall down from their delusions and land hard on their asses) is just gonna be so much fun!

Any of you guys from around Central Europe? We could meet up in person and share collapse-related experiences, knowledge, strategies, and stuff.

makeshift98 · 2016-12-13T02:17:35+00:00

These guys are building value for themselves

And the number of threads currently on the front page that espouse that and aren't simply whining about women are...2.

raven982 · 2016-12-13T03:17:00+00:00

Stop being hycrocrites. I see just as much crybaby bitching here about them. Both sides that partake are acting like a bunch of gossiping hater drama whores. It's embarrassing, your both suppose to know better... act like fucking men you whiny twats. Who gives a fuck what the other guy is doing.

Title	Why does r/TheRedPill keep throwing us under the bus?
Author	NuclearTruthBomb
Upvotes	87
Comments	128
Date	December 12, 2016 6:14 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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