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Next time a woman says we need more girls in STEM, ask her what she studied. She will say not STEM.
[–]DeepConfusion98[🍰] 88 points89 points90 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Social "sciences"
[–]KaitouNala54 points55 points56 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
oh she will, they just call it "gender studies"
[–]Ficon15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Communications....
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
I’m a woman and I think we need more girls in STEM. I’ve been in school for both astrophysics and physics engineering.
[–]Jcart10526 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Why is there an absolute NEED for more women in STEM? The only thing that should matter is that you have the proper qualifications and skills to perform the job.
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
We need more people in STEM in general. It seems like girls are often discouraged to pursue STEM, and anyone being discouraged is a bad thing.
[–]Jcart10523 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Evidence that women are discouraged from STEM? If anything, the existence of the abundance of scholarships dedicated for women to pursue STEM thoroughly debunks this.
[–]amd64-4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There is actually evidence of the opposite: https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/
[–]Chaos_Eclipsed4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The article in question doesn't mention women in gender-equal countries being 'discouraged' despite lower rates of women in STEM in those countries compared to less equal countries.
Instead, it suggests that the extended economic opportunites are what is driving women away, despite the stability and succes STEM fields often bring.
"STEM careers are generally secure and well-paid but the risks of not following such a path can vary. In more affluent counties, where any choice of career feels relatively safe, women may feel able to make choices based on non-economic factors."
"Conversely, in counties with fewer economic opportunities, or where employment might be precarious, a well-paid and relatively secure STEM career can be more attractive to women."
It does mention that "Despite extensive efforts to increase participation of women in STEM, levels have remained broadly stable for decades" as well as “It’s important to take into account that girls are choosing not to study STEM for what they feel are valid reasons,”
Whatever the cause of the gender discrepency is, it's not women being discouraged from STEM. They are actively choosing other paths in life. Unless you want to go full totalitarian, you can't change someone else's choice. You might not agree with their choices, but you can't make the choice for them.
Whatever is going on with women and STEM fields, I'm afraid you are the exception and not the rule.
[–]amd644 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's what I meant when I said "evidence of the opposite", as in opposite of "Evidence that women are discouraged from STEM" in the parent comment -_-
[–]Chikubakidon1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I don't know whats with the downvotes, I think people misunderstood your comment.
[–]NetoIncognito8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes that is why there are a shit ton more scholarships given to women in stem.
They are literally giving free training to women...
[–]holmes20209 points10 points11 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There is no way that girls are discouraged from STEM. Maybe that was true decades ago. Now it's the complete opposite. And it's a good choice for women. Companies will currently fall over themselves to hire female scientists and engineers. Where I work, given two roughly similar applications, we would hire the women, even if she's slightly worse than other male applicants. It would help our gender ratios.
[–]DarwinianKEKistani2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Di3. Imbecile
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Huh?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have been in STEM for 35 years. I have literally never seen or heard a woman discouraged from pursuing STEM. Quite the opposite. We have endless debates on how to encourage more women into STEM.
Already back in the 80s my college physics department had a formal system in place to interview women who left the department to try and figure out how we could prevent it from happening.
[–]BetweenOceans14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree. Women were responsible for putting a man on the moon.
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lol well done with the subtlety
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There’s a chance you’re right, however I don’t know how myself or one of my female colleagues would even meet a guy like that since we’re around nerds all the time. And anecdotally, I know many non-chads in relationships with smart girls and a lot of smart girls in relationships with non-chads.
[–]SovereignSoul763 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I know many non-chads in relationships with smart girls and a lot of smart girls in relationships with non-chads.
Well that settles it then: NAWALT
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s why I said “anecdotally”.
[–]Chikubakidon0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There’s a chance you’re right
FIFY
I know many non-chads in relationships with smart girls and a lot of smart girls in relationships with non-chads
Dont pull that "we are individuals" bullshit argument. Pointing out individual examples doesn't negate the big statistical difference overall. If someone said "most people like music", youd be an idiot if you responded "some people don't like music" in an attempt to rebuttal the claim that most people like music. Sure, there are some people that dont like music, but that doesnt change the fact that most people do indeed like music. Similarly, you pointing out a few relationships where smart girls are with non chads doesn't change the fact that most smart girls (and just girls in general) prefer chads.
Btw, you repeated your claim. "Non chads in relationships with smart girls" and "smart girls in relationships with non chads" both mean the same thing. Your point was so weak that you had to make it sound like you had two counter points when you only had one.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not really. Smart girls typically prefer a smart chad in my experience.
[–]CreatrixAnima2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a masters in math and I’m also a woman. I think we need more women in STEM. But women tend to opt out of working with guys like those in this thread.
[–]Varrick20161 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for improving the fate of humanity. I’m being serious. Each extra person in STEM pushes our civilization forward.
I also guarantee the easiest way to dramatically increase women’s participation in STEM is to get rid of bullshit majors like feminist dance therapy etc. the rate of women in engineering may only go up to 10%-15% but that’d be a 500%-700% increase.
Would also dramatically improve the overall academic health of American higher education.
[–]Jcart1053 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women don't so STEM, because the grand majority of them simply are not intelligent enough for it — not necessarily because they have too many options given to them and/or they have no interest in the topic.
[–]Varrick2016-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m saying that the smaller percentage that are intelligent enough for it but who waste their talents on basket weaving majors would largely be forced to choose a STEM majors and therefore dramatically increase the number of women in STEM.
Overall STEM enrollment might only increase 10%-15% but due to the extremely low number of women right now in STEM the percentage increase would be 500%-700% and due to network effects on information sharing and compounding the positive effect on the STEM fields would be huge.
Better yet the rapid drain and destruction of the humanities departments would dramatically increase the overall academic health of the American higher education system. Could you imagine major America universities with massive STEM departments and nary a humanities major in sight? This is an achievable dream.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for the compliment! I’m trying to do my best!
I’m not sure if that would be the easiest way to increase women in STEM. I would imagine that the people who would be in the majors you mentioned would find other things to pursue, with those things not necessarily being STEM.
Of course there’s not an easy answer, but I think that it’s our culture’s attitudes towards woman in STEM that’s the problem, whether intentional or not. For example, women in STEM majors are shown to view themselves as less competent at what they do than men who are just as successful. Also, it’s shown that there are an equal amount of young girls and young boys who are interested in science, but girls become less interested when they are older, which I think implies that there is something in our culture that is discouraging them to pursue their scientific interests vs. them not having a natural curiosity.
[–]Pellaeon_redpill0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also, it’s shown that there are an equal amount of young girls and young boys who are interested in science, but girls become less interested when they are older, which I think implies that there is something in our culture that is discouraging them to pursue their scientific interests
Women's self-worth isn't judged by how much money they make, so there is less incentive to overcome the difficulty. Hot guys don't give a fuck about their degree, so extra effort in a challenging degree is less effort spent on attracting hot guys(Ugly guys don't care either but that's not relevant to women's decision making). Women fiercely compete for the hottest guys, so they find anything they can use sabotage each other's self-confidence - labeling them for purusing a male dominated field is one of them.
These are all contributors. Concluding "it must be the patriarchy" is wishful thinking.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
there is something in our culture that is discouraging them to pursue their scientific interests vs. them not having a natural curiosity
Yes, there is. Other girls.
[–]Chikubakidon1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
We need more people that are passionate about stem, not people that have had stem shoved down their throat by others that have a fetish to meet some arbitrary quota.
Youre an idiot and probably incompetent in whatever stem job you landed, if you even stuck with stem that is. If you did, I'm sure you were a diversity hire.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women don't want to do STEM. They want other women to do STEM.
[–]Nezborn020 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this hypocrisy astounds me.
[–]RK2100137 points38 points39 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Now it's not STEM anymore. It's STEAM. The A is for Arts. The Womyns couldn't handle tought subjects like math or science, so as usual we've now lowered the standards to include the "Arts". Cuz hey man Calculus and Painting is equally hard you know?
[–]Scatre25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I remember they were trying to push that shit in my college; some steam club started and they invited a bunch of stem majors, probably because they want a piece of that STEM glory. I decided to show up for the giggles. Weird how I was one of the only stem majors (and male) there.
They argued "stem needs more art, and we could incorporate more stem into art!". Yea cause I'm sure all the art majors are excited to take signal processing and differential equations when the most math they've done is a pre-calc class (MAYBE, I'm not even sure if they're to do even that).
As if mathematics and engineering has 0 creativity or "artistic" aspects about it. Shits already art, it's just a sophisticated form of art that actually has value. But yea, it's not drinking and smoking everyday, seeking inspiration to finally make that painting or a song that will totally change the world. It's trying to understand things that giants before you have already mastered, trying to create something that requires hours of tedious bullshit. It's spending all night alone at your desk while everyone else is out partying.
Nah, I'm just fucking with ya, I would get hammered like every other day; dog-shit gpa, but hey, at least I'm not working at starbucks with student loans up the ass you fucking retards. Imagine taking out a loan to get an ART degree, how deluded would anyone have to be to do that?
Anyways, I was pretty triggered.
[–]kyledontcare9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Imagine taking out a loan to get an ART degree, how deluded would anyone have to be to do that?
Happens more than you know. And they are the ones at Starbucks making coffee and waiting tables paying back 80K or more in loans.
[–]Scatre0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I can't feel bad for them. They literally have all the information in the world at the touch of their fingertips.
[–]kyledontcare2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nowadays, yes, totally true; it is the Information Age. All you need is a decent smart phone or tablet computer and what you can find out is truly amazing.
[–]FreshNothingBurger0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Common sense, don't forget the common sense. They sure did, that's why we're talking about them.
[–]quckquackduck12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Someone has to paint them integrals.
[–]RK210018 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I LOLed. Literally.
[–]TheJoestarDescendant3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let's not put A for arts there, because arts are powerful weapons for communication/propaganda. While I don't encourage taking arts degree, I encourage learning arts - as a hobby or a tool to make memes or something.
[–]GIfuckingJane1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What's your degree in?
[–]RK210010 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bidness
[–]CreatrixAnima1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They put arts in there because of the well-known association between art and excelling in math. Whether it’s the geometry of some visual arts, or the connection between doing well in music and doing well in math, putting an emphasis on the arts helps students to achieve in mathematics. It’s nothing to do with gender at all.
I think that's pretty narrow-minded of you, I don't care if it's STEM or STEAM or whatever but art is hard and I think it's important. If you have the right drive and intellectual capacity you could make the most out of a degree. It's not just painting and sculpture, I personally couldn't give a shit about most gallery exhibitions but film, illustration, computer graphics, typography, music... these aren't things you're just born with, it takes a long time to learn how to do them.
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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Funny how dykes hate the same men they try to emulate. The hypocrisy
[–]Rydia45002 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was thinking "Makeup" for M
Pretty sure 100% of women at least minor in it
[–]KennySempai13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Do girls really hate men ?
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To answer your question Kenny they only hate the ones that have nothing to offer them. After their done using the ones in their current life theyll go onto hate these men aswell.
[–]DeepConfusion98[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Only feminists
[–]PorkBomber3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes they do. It is every girls wet dream that men vanish from this world (except chads maybe).
[–]throwawayfucking900016 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
/r/justneckbeardthings
[–]donvito0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/8gp0nm/problematic_ai/
[–]throwawayfucking900013 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Lol I'm a hardcore conservative, just about the furthest thing from a feminist. But I call bullshit where I see it, and you guys believing that you're the only gender capable of doing math is just about the most neckbeard thing I've ever heard.
[–]donvito2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
your virtue signaling still won't get you laid
[–]Emsogib16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And your hatred of women is getting you action? Lmaooo
[–]GreenMile838 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Gotta post it to r/feminism someone. I would but I've been banned forever for posting something about men not wanting fat chicks.
[–]Rangers10344 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The deed has been done
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[–]BoobToArmRatio8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Medicine is a combination of the first three!
[–]Emsogib6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wait... Men don’t eat? Y’all 🤔🤔🤔
[–]donvito0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
female low iq brain doesn't understand the joke. news at 11
[–]Emsogib3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was joking, myself... 🤔
[–]crzjkfr2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP can't take a joke lmao
[–]Scatre3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I remember going to a "women in stem" celebration in college. They made up like 20% of the engineering class if i recall correctly. Most were dogshit, but some were actually pretty fucking bright (they usually had other negative characteristics about them though).
They were all patting themselves on the back like they overcame some hardship. I thought "what's the implication, here?". Are they admitting that women have some sort of disability or something? Engineering's hard, even for men. We just do shit that's hard more often than women do.
Whenever a woman starts to brag about her degree I usually just ask which of the soft sciences she majored in. They tend to shut up pretty quickly after that.
[–]festertrimm4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yall motherfuckers need some help
[–]Gamersparadise41 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What?
[–]festertrimm7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yall...motherfuckers....need...some...help....
[–]ManGoingtoTOWn0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Help with what exactly?
[–]doctormaye25 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
shes an art major thinking shes on par with stem education
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Begone
THOT
[–]donvito0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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I honestly finally believe the reason women do STEM less is the effort. Many of the IQ studies show that we are equal in that regard albeit with maybe a different distribution.
My view is that it's effort and they have some predisposition that they do not need to. Men do a lot of "unfun" things because they "need" to be responsible and handle things. While women are quick to tell us it's not that way anymore, I don't agree. Legally we are still required to pay it all, we are still always at fault.
Give people easier options and they will take them, even if they are fully capable. Why wouldn't someone have fun if they could? I get so annoyed at all the comments from these womens groups about how important it is. All they do is talk and damn near none of them have STEM degrees or even fucking work in STEM!
Also, the very few colleagues I have had in STEM that happen to be female actually do something about it. One does mentoring and one does a free school. Not a lot of takers either and those folks don't really complain a lot about it either. They don't have any victim mentality.
So few women take STEM and now we must "do something" well it's fucking simple people, if women want more STEM they can simply do more STEM. EASY!
[–]ManGoingtoTOWn2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men tend to be monomaniacs who get an idea, no matter how crazy it is, and try to see it through.
Women multitask.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If Complaining is not part of a woman's STEM, there's a flaw in the theory.
M is for Moaning?
[–]marsdrogan-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
brilliant!
[–]Ultimat41 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That last one could have been man-eating
[–]slowreezay1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Apologies for posting this again but so relevant to the whole "we must get more women in STEM" argument. The more freedom women have to choose what to do (e.g. In the more gender equal west), the less they choose to go into STEM, paradoxically in countries with less gender equality (India, Middle East etc) far more women in tech. gender equality stem paradox
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you know going into Fiance and not stem because i knew the limits of my intelligence, i was clever never smart enough to conduct science at an acceptable level. There's no respect for the field and that's what's really sad.
[–]Watchingcluturefade0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My assistant is recently divorced and both her and her ex husband have found new partners.
It is absolutely DISGUSTING to watch both of them use social media to try to attack each other and try to make them feel more and more hurt.
She sits in our office all the time crying after reading the crap he posts, yet goes on instagram and posts pictures of her and her new BF with comments like "It is so great to feel what true love is!"
God I hate social media....
OP, you forgot talking on the phone.
[–]DeepConfusion98[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's just feminism
[–]Blogginginvicecity-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okkk haha
[–]GiraffeMasturbater-4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Says the women haters
[–]GiraffeMasturbater1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do you really think I said that to get laid? Who would fuck me for that comment? [email protected]?
[–]donvito0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
yes
[–]GiraffeMasturbater2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I'm just gonna give my address to some random internet stranger who says they want my dick. Fucking brilliant. No wonder you've had shitty experiences with women.
[–]Whymustu-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Like females aren't constantly man hating, sexist, and body shaming.
[–]GiraffeMasturbater5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, not all females are like that. You've probably just been hitting on shitty bitches.
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