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[–]TheOGJammiesRuthless Strategist[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (2 children) | Copy Link
AITA for refusing to give my friend my embryos and having a spite baby?
My husband and I ended up freezing some embryos years ago due to medical issues. We used them to have our now 4 children, and we now feel that we have enough. At the time of this conversation, we still had three left over, and we had been debating what to do with them.
Her husband is horrible. They got married before my husband and I met. He's done so many horrible things both in general and to her. I've had so many talks with her about how she deserves better and how unacceptable his actions are.
We're all now in our late 30s, and they are now trying to have kids and can't (because they waited too long at HIS insistence). They're now looking at donor material, and she came to me. Absolutely not. This man shouldn't be a father and definitely not to my at least biological children. I was vague and tried to avoid a real answer. But they pushed too hard on why "we deserve to have all those extra embryos" and I lost my temper a little.
I ended up telling him that I/we think he's a terrible person, in no way should he have children, and she would only get my biological help if she "dropped him" like a diseased fish. Honestly, I hate him so much. This whole thing and the knowledge that we would only get more and more requests for them led us to the decision that we needed to use them ourselves. It worked and we had a single pregnancy.
We've been getting some comments from friends and family that we had a child out of spite and we're not better than anyone we have problems with. I don't know that that's true. We just couldn't destroy them and also couldn't trust anyone else.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points (0 children) | Copy Link
AITA is such a garbage sub. I don't understand the people saying ESH or accusing the OP of having a fourth child out of "spite." What the hell?
These are the same people who'd criticize someone for letting their friend walk off a cliff because "you should say something."
[–]Yianna_FFDS Disciple 58 points59 points60 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't unread this...
I just want to bleach my eyes! I'm so happy she called him out for everything and for being the LVM that he is! Her family and friends are disgusting and enablers that are a big part of the LVM pandemic! 👎
[+]BasieSkanks8 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
I have extremely little pity for women who choose to breed with degenerate men. When you’re shopping for a life partner, you’re also shopping for the future father of your children. Your children don’t get to choose their parents, so you better make sure that you make an informed choice (people can change, and we can’t forsee that, but it seems like this woman knows her friend’s husband is a POS).
[–]Ka_Tetof99FDS Newbie 17 points18 points19 points (3 children) | Copy Link
This is the thing I wish I could hammer through their heads more than anything. Just because some can handwave and make excuses for his behavior and put up with the abuse and awful treatment doesn’t mean extremely vulnerable kids can also do the same thing. Not only will you have to coparent with a shithead for life, your kids will have to deal with having a garbage dad for life too.
[–]BasieSkanksRuthless Strategist 16 points17 points18 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. It’s selfish to expect your children to put up with his depravity, just because you can. This is also a big reason why I’m not sure I want kids. I know I’ll be a badass mother, but I am terrified of having kids with a man. Many men, even the “liberal” ones screaming about equality, still see raising kids as the women’s responsibility. Men want to have children, but many of them are not interested in actually raising them.
[–]Ka_Tetof99FDS Newbie 10 points11 points12 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m starting to believe that men don’t actually want children. They want the ego boost of having “their seed” ( 🤢 ) out in the world but want absolutely none of the work or consequences that come with that.
[–]DallasOMalleyFDS Newbie 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This. A disturbing number of them seem to be looking for a walking, talking toy that makes them feel special. It's easy to pick these men out when you see them interact a kid. The don't treat the child like a human with fears and feelings; they treat the child like he/she is just a toy to be manipulated for their own entertainment.
[–]MagicAte_8FDS Disciple 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
But but but but but but but he said he'd CHANGE!! 😟🥺😫
[–]PurblWaspFDS Newbie 29 points30 points31 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Im saddened that she felt that she NEEDED to use them herself though when she already has 4 kids. No one should judge them for getting rid of them or just. not giving them away to this friend.
[–]desertedstreetsFDS Newbie 16 points17 points18 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. While I commend her for calling out her friend's husband, why did she feel the need to use the embryo herself given she already has enough children just so that her friend would stop asking her for it? Makes no sense. It's like having extra money and using it because you don't want to give it to someone else although you don't need to spend it. Why not give it to someone who actually needs it? She could have donated the embryos to a deserving couple if she really wanted to put them to a good use. Or do nothing at all, they are hers and her husband's property completely. They didn't owe them to anyone. How about standing up for whatever she chose to do with them? How will the child feel when they are old enough to understand the reason they were brought into the world?
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I think it only makes sense of you've gone through infertility or infertility treatment. I'm sure she went through hell and back to get those embryos and as her other children were conceived the same way she may seem them as little potential people and the thought of destroying them seems wasteful. And with no options of anyone to donate to that they are happy with she decided to use them.
I dont think they used the embryos because they felt they needed to to justify not giving them to her friend.
[–]desertedstreetsFDS Newbie 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Her post clearly says she used the embryo to get her friend to stop asking for it and that people are judging her for having a baby out of spite - which is really what she did. It doesn't say she had plans to destroy it nor does it mention they had looked at options of donating them to others, they were debating what to do with them. I'm just saying donating could have been a viable option to putting them to good use i.e. give someone who would make a good parent the gift of a child given she recognized they've had enough kids. Having said that, I do understand how difficult it is to obtain embryos and why she would do what she did. However, I don't agree with the reason she did it which was to get her friend to shut up, and not because she wanted that baby for the same reason she had her other kids.
[–]ShieldMaidenLagerthaFDS Disciple 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m over looking across the street and seeing the same LVM who has been breaking quarantine for a month now accept custody of his children. Not everyone should have children.
[–]GraveyardH2020 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I saw this this morning and my face was horrified. The LVM man also kept kicking the can down the road on having children, and this woman’s friend went along with it and is now struggling because she followed his wishes. Not hers. Ladies, if you want children and a man doesn’t want to follow your timeline for completely reasonable, biological reasons, he’s not the guy for you. He should understand and respect your goals and needs.
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[–]kwallioFDS Newbie 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone sucks here. Her friend for asking for embryos (seriously, I would never), her friends husband for stringing her along, and OP and her husband for not sticking to their orginal plan and having another child just to use up the embryos (wtf).