Initiate or not initiate. Can't get my head around it.

johneyapocalypse · 2021-06-13T04:50:08+00:00

This is awful:

But I can't do equation work on myself and still initiate often. When I get denied I have no problem to go do something else, but if I hadn't initiated I could do that earlier.

Don't write that shit, don't think that shit. The trees are flying by, there's motion, it's frenetic, the energy is crackling. Thing is, you're driving along that highway, wind in your hair, with the car in neutral.

You're doing the same damn thing you've been doing all along, just reading a bit more, lifting a bit more, and blah-blah-blahing a bit more, christ, this joint needs some new perspectives.

The paint-by-numbers approach has you painting by the numbers, and you're staying within the lines, and you haven't even mixed any colors together. Thing is, you never turned on the light and you're actually painting your garage door.

Stop looking for real-time absolution. These are not x's and o's, this is not a playbook, and you are not tom brady.

You want to win? REALLY? Or just whine. And pretend. And commiserate with the guys. And plan. And plot. And do equations.

Fuck that.

Choice is easy:

Simply get out of your comfort zone. Tomorrow. At 11am. Leave the house. Talk to 20 people at random. Climb a hill. Go to the zoo.

Monday, Schedule a trip for next weekend.

Tuesday, before you leave on your trip, pick a random name from your contact list, call 'em and take 'em for a drink.

You're full of so much fear over things that are stupid and insignificant but you're so caught up in equations and that other silliness you penned to paper that you're losing site of the larger target - life itself and the power you - like every fucking asshole - have within, hibernating. Yours far, far away, beyond syberia, likely buried under the frozen tundra with nanook of the north.

Are you planning to wait a million years for your carcass to be thawed so that your future descendants can bring you back, recombine your DNA, and make you the man you keep reading and writing equations about?

What do you think dudes did before books? Before equations. You think they just went online and complained and conspired and collaborated with other ancient assholes?

Fuck no.

I promise you that if you follow my prescription to a 't' - you will leapfrog every other newbie asshole mongoloid retard in this shitty hellhole of a fucking joint and you will - in so doing - desensitize yourself from that bogeyman who haunts your dreams but actually lives at the base of your skull. It's like he was programmed into your head to ensure you do everything in your power to avoid being attractive at all costs. After all, he must be the one who got you talking about equations, right?

Everyone around here constantly throws out the word "validation" and I've come to believe no one even knows what it means. They think validation is "if my wife or other whore fucks me I will be validated," when instead, it equates to "I fear each and everything there is, even life itself, and especially rejection, but most of all women. Why? I don't know, but I do. I cannot intellectualize it because this fear is not designed to be solved with an equation, instead, I feel it, deep in my gut, and it is for that reason that I fear it most.

Deep in the gut. Like your forefathers when hunting brachiosaurs for their next meal. Sure that instinct, that specialized gut, served him well then. But it was not designed for each and every silly, pointless, insignificant interaction with -----> a woman <----- that you have.

How lame.

The validation is really the smallest glimmer of something different than outright indifference or worse, disdain. Did she sneer? Sheesh, day ruined. Did she turn away. God, the humiliation. Did she laugh at me? Oh jesus mother mary and joseph

But why?

How on god's green earth did you empower someone, so many, anyone who is not you? What demands that validation?

Who cares? It's all fake. You could run down the street with your tiny penis tucked between your flabby thighs, your white, pasty ass - probably covered with pimples since you spend so much time indoors on your equations - flying down the street captivating all who watch. So you think. Chances are 50 wouldn't notice. 40 would forget by tomorrow. Nine might remember a week. And one will like you all the more for it.

Why were you always so afraid of that bully anyway? Don't you know bullies are rarely tough? They bark and bark and bark but their bite is forceless and weak. Why all the chest pounding if you can hand out a beating and do so quietly, calmly, and collected. Cool hand luke baby.

Once you either get hit by the bully, or hit him first, you've won. You've powered your way through and you've conquered your fear. And to do that, you at least had to take a shot, usually a cheap shot.

But with the fairer sex? A disapproving glance, a smug scowl, a simple "no."

Fact is, the only reason it's a problem is because you're a pussy, you live a sheltered existence, you have lost your power to be an adventurer, but most of all, you have not heard enough 'no's''.

Try this plan of action. That comfortable inner voice will find 40 reasons not to do each one of the things I suggested.

Overcome that voice. Do it. I'm certain that takes you light years beyond every tom, dick, and harry reading the next dumbass book, watching the latest retarded fraud, or blowing smoke up everyone's ass about lifting a fucking cinder block over their head.

It's all very simple. You've allowed the word 'no' to hold sway over you. It has enslaved you. It punches you in the gut and sucks the wind out of your lungs. Just like the first really intense HIIT session of your life. Make it to the 20th and what happens, always? You acclimate. The gut doesn't sting, the lungs don't burn, and the validation you no longer need strengthens you more than any single tool in this retard's toolbox of retard tools ever could.

You're the only tool you'll ever need.

Just take action.

I bet you $100 you won't.

BobbyPeru · 2021-06-13T06:42:46+00:00

Alright kid, listen up. I like you so I’m gonna give you a decent answer. First off, get the fuck out of deadbedrooms- it’s a cancer that will keep you stuck. Secondly, you’re wife isn’t attracted to you, so I’m guessing you are either fat or skinny-fat.

But, I digress. Here are the answers I promised:

First off (for real this time), you are misunderstanding some basic concepts of MRP.

For example:

This—

This has been really successful to the point that shittests are very rare nowadays

Doesn’t jive with this:

The thing that has not been effected is my dead bedroom.

If you were passing shit tests,

A) she would want to have sex with you

B) She would keep shit testing you

A “shit test” is also known as a fitness test, and women do it because they want to test your frame or mental/emotional fitness. When you pass, it turns them on and they want to have sex with you. If shit tests have stopped or slowed dramatically, it’s usually a bad sign (unless you are very advanced, which you clearly aren’t, no offense). OK, so start thinking of them as fitness tests because that name is a much better indictor if the nature and purpose of the tests.

Next...

In fact I think When I get denied I have no problem to go do something else wife has started to enjoy shooting my initiations down

Nope: don’t kid yourself , she knows you’re butthurt. Why do you think she “enjoys” turning you down?

OK, so obviously you are in a very bad place . You have to decide whether it’s

A) Fixable

B) Worth the effort

So, half the battle is physical and the Other half is frame.

You said you’re physique is much better than last time, but you didn’t give any metrics/numbers, so I’m guessing you gave a long way to go both physically and with frame.

I’m curious about her appearance/ attractiveness. How is that? I’m also curious as to whether or not she could be

A) having an affair

Or

B) Checked out completely

In any case, as someone else mentioned, she doesn’t seem at all worried about losing you or you having an affair.

Why do you think that is?

ReddJive · 2021-06-12T23:16:09+00:00

Having a bad time of it, eh? I mean you could just quit. Stop. I guess that is an option. A man with options is powerful, amiright? Let's see how that works out. Kind of like not lifting, or no longer doing deadlifts. It is just too hard right now.

I get it. Everything feels god-awfully heavy. Odds are you would just go through the motions, counting down the sets until you can leave or go to bed. I don't blame you at all. How can you focus without sex? Or her denying you all the time?

She’s just a monster when it comes to testing you. Hypertrophy, hypergamy, lean diet, whatever. You need this simplified! Just stop doing it. Take a break. Pull back a it.
Well, here’s the first thing that you need to know:

Bad days at home, work, like bad workouts, or the proctologist, are normal. They’re just part of the game, the grip and grind of what we do.
In fact, this, like lifting metal, is supposed to be hard. That’s the point. Easy things are boring things, like shaving your genitals or thumb wrestling. Those are perfectly fine things to do, but they’re not going to amount to much. Porn has never helped anyone summit Maslow’s pyramid.

Why should any of this be easy? Which is why if you aren’t in the gym hitting it hard you really aren’t doing much of anything. This is about sacrificing who you are for who you want to be. So yeah you could quit intiating. That would be the best thing for you. The easy thing. Yet you be missing out. You have to use iron and steel to beat your new form into being. Forging a new you is heat and fire, hammer and anvil, lightning and thunder, not changing your underwear or cutting your nails. It’s a mystical, mystifying, and a mythological act.

So yeah, sometimes it’s hard. Hard as hell. Sometimes you have to leave some blood on the altar. As it should be. As it must be.

Woe is he who believes that things that don’t come naturally and easily aren’t worth doing or aren’t meant to be done at all. We see this all the time. Person tries something new, person flounders, and person immediately brands himself a failure, or declares it doesn’t work, and quits. Back to fondling himself and arguing with strangers on Twitter because he doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get that nothing meaningful happens automagically; that everything takes way more time, effort, and grit than we want to believe at the outset.

Building the body, and the man you should be isn’t hard in the same way other work is hard, though. Nobody’s coming after you. You aren't being hunted for sport. She is there only because you put her there. This is your fault.

You’re smithing a new body, a new mindset, a new identity. Yet here you are wanting to quit. To stop. Why should this be easy?

It takes resilience. It takes sacrifice. It teaches an invaluable lesson: if you have the power to change your body, then you have the power to change your life.

It is what it is. It is what it must be.

GoingOnAJourney · 2021-06-12T22:09:57+00:00

You lack congruence. You state you have yourself as your mental point of origin, and yet follow up with the mentality of your evenings being constructed around sex. You're seeking validation via sex - not just that but sex with your wife specifically.

Your wife knows this instinctively.

She will not fuck you while she can smell your desperate, validation-seeking thirst. She senses your lack of abundance.

You still have a lot of work to do. You're scared of your wife's emotions, and until you can move past that - with congruence - she will hide the pussy.

Rpeeing · 2021-06-12T15:01:10+00:00

Did you try the erection test?

ilove702 · 2021-06-12T22:40:17+00:00

Wife gets right of first refusal then try to close with a random you are attracted to, if it blows your mind how easy it was to close then you got your answer. If it ends in disaster and you are still where no female will fuck you back to sidebar, lift, stfu.

SteelSharpensSteel · 2021-06-12T21:23:19+00:00

There are two appropriate J10 posts about this, one of them is his commentary on dread, the other is his highest upvoted comment.

so_woke_da_wookie · 2021-06-12T17:36:51+00:00

It doesn’t sound like you’ve done your divorce prep or started catch and release. Would that be correct?

DeplorableRay · 2021-06-13T01:21:17+00:00

There's no dread. You aren't attractive enough, yet. What do your numbers look like?

ice_walker · 2021-06-12T16:16:19+00:00

You do something you know yourself is something you shouldn’t be doing and then you ask for advice? How about starting right there instead? And don’t initiate often “because mrp says I have to”, initiate when YOU feel like it, be it often or not.

Kevlar__Soul · 2021-06-12T18:51:48+00:00

Initiate when you want and don’t hold back. If you have anything you want to get done just do it and don’t save it for after you get shot down. This put you in her frame, her shooting you down should have no effect on your day.

I have a few things I do if she passes. I have a few little things I do like read or play the guitar.

mr_Tobbor · 2021-06-13T07:46:43+00:00

You don't have any power to another people. You try to make her do what you want? You can't!

Title	Initiate or not initiate. Can't get my head around it.
Author	beardedbaboon
Upvotes	13
Comments	46
Date	June 12, 2021 2:00 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askMRP
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