Do you reject all of the red pill or only certain parts?

cunningcaring · 2021-08-07T11:10:49+00:00

Be strong, be fit, be confident, be smart, be not red pill.

cdcollector87 · 2021-08-07T11:28:04+00:00

I reject this idea that all women are cheaters/toxic and will ruin your life. Yes there are some women like that. There are men like that too. I guess I would say just live life and enjoy it. Yes you may have to make compromises along the way, especially when it comes to kids, but that's part of marriage/companionship. I totally agree with the parts about self improvement. You have to have hobbies, be happy with being by yourself, etc. But don't be a Ben Kenobi living in some shack in the middle of nowhere like a hermit.

difficultconcept · 2021-08-07T10:04:36+00:00

"You Are What You Think You Are" is a potent psychological tool. The Red Pill gave me a lot of false sense of confidence that I did not have before. I thought I knew how the world was operating, and it was no longer a mystery for me. I've learned I had to go out and make things happen instead of sitting and waiting for some perfect opportunity to arrive from somewhere. Leaving my comfort zone was probably the best and the worst thing that happened to me. If you are into The Red Pill and you leave your area, you will most likely act like a completely different person once you move to another location where no one knows your past. You can fool other people, but you always need to remember who you were and where you came from.

Comfortable_Intern57 · 2021-08-07T13:24:14+00:00

If you want to learn about self improvement and gaining self confidence, the red pill is not the place to start with. There are so many other books, videos and articles on the topic that I'm sure would be more helpful anyway.

JohnMichaelSoBelow · 2021-08-07T10:05:19+00:00

My biggest issue with TRP is that it seems women can do nothing right in their eyes. No matter what a woman does she's doing it for nefarious purposes. The only problems ever faced are faced by men and women are never treated unfairly at all. They face no societal issues. My favorite one is that women are just "parasites".

The thing is I do feel men are treated unfairly in many ways. I do think it's important for men to work on their masculinity. I do prefer a bit of a traditional relationship where I get to be a bit of a leader. I like the dominant role. I also think that if a someone is taking care of another person in a committed relationship that yes, sex is somewhat of an obligation (though I think that door swings both ways).

Women are still human beings with hopes and dreams. Even if you have a relationship where you are the leader that does not mean their role is less important. They need and deserve to be listened to and cared for, genuinely. They're not just there to make your life easier. Hopefully you're both there to make each other's lives easier.

copious_cunnilingus · 2021-08-07T10:26:56+00:00

Self-improvement wasn't created by The Red Pill and is an industry that has existed for a very long time. They merely packaged it up for you in a nice little box to also sell you an ideology, which as you may have noticed doesn't always stand up to scrutiny (hence the reason for this sub) and behaves very similarly to what experts in the field help us see as a "high control group" or... -gulp- a cult.

Plus, the point of "taking the red pill" is being taught uncomfortable truths about how the world really works. What happens when a "truth" is twisted by leaders who hide in the shadows? What happens when you find things about the system they're selling you that seem to not be the whole picture? What happens when you ask questions and are met with "stop being a beta cuck and read the sidebar"? Then what?

The thing with groups like this is that they are predictable because the flaws in which are used to "recruit" people require certain things in a person's brain to be active, like fear, cognitive dissonance, and shame. They focus on breaking down your identity to help rebuild you into an image of their liking, which isn't always bad, especially if you're not that great. But what happens if you're really not all that bad, but they're able to convince you that you're junk by using known brain hacks that most humans fall for? Then what? And why listen to a group that doesn't have any clear leaders? What qualifications do they have to determine who are people that need to be improved and who is kinda awesome already? How do you really know if you're actually taking the red pill or if it's another pill that's merely been painted red?

Both men and women are like flavors of ice cream. There are so many varieties. All with their own hurts, triumphs, dislikes, likes, etc. Men don't all like the same porn genres, so what makes you think that women all find certain things attractive? Some, both men and women, like abusive people because it gives them excitement and normalcy, especially if they were raised in an abusive home and it speaks to their undealt with hurts. Some physically recoil at the thought of falling in love with an abusive person.

The point being, we're not all the same and we like different things. You can find way better and more complete information elsewhere, but they are a good phase to start from when you're lost, but so is /r/Stoicism or /r/AdultChildren. It really depends on where you're at in your path, what hurts you're needing to concur, and what you're currently needing help with.

"Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty." -Frank Herbert

SenorTonto · 2021-08-07T12:29:29+00:00

I'd say "frame" is a solid notion pushed by trp. It stems more from stoicism so it's definitely not a trp original idea but the application towards women has utility

The over generalizing and the hustle culture are my biggest problems with trp. For example, I don't believe that a woman who has slept around is incapable of monogamy

atman714 · 2021-08-07T18:40:03+00:00

Not all parts. I feel like this question gets asked alot, which is fine, because it's a valid question. I'll break it down into parts:

The good: 1. Developing self-confidence. 2. Developing self-worth (leaving someone who disrespects you). 3. Self-care things like working out, hygiene, and working on your own career path. 4. Encouragement of socializing and making friends.

The bad: 1. A toxic suppression of emotion. While controlling your emotions is fine, TRP often preaches a total suppression of emotions. Never crying in front of a girl is a good example that they teach. 2. Use of pseudoscience and pseudoscientific terms. 3. Extreme black and white thinking (men are either alphas or betas), the world is, of course, far more complex than this. 4. The presence of predatory coaches that are only in it to manipulate lonely men and take their money.

The terrible: 1. Blatant misogyny (women can't truly love). 2. Ideas that turn men into incels (AF/BB). 3. Endorsement of manipulative behavior and narcissistic tendencies. 4. Generally discourage men from seeking professional psychiatric help, sometimes goes as far as blatant anti-psychiatry.

Conclusion, it's definitely not worth it.

Greevjacket · 2021-08-07T14:36:31+00:00

I reject everything apart from self improvement which is fixing yourself first, before you let others join the ride and this applies to both genders, because being reliant on others is not going to make you an individual, but some sort of nameless shadow companion.

nationearthdotcom · 2021-08-07T15:32:57+00:00

Idk, good women exist, I found one and I regret all the pain I put her through, I think in a lot of ways I used these ideas as an excuse to mess around with a lot of women and each rejection fueled me more then I had a realization that I’m not hurting the girls who rejected me, I’m hurting the ones who actually saw something in me.

I feel bad about the blackpill stuff in a way, like I’m 5’9, but I feel bad for guys under 5’6, because even though I’m not 6’ tall at least I’m still taller than almost every girl I meet on a daily basis.

Also guys who are really ugly, I don’t think I’m that attractive but I’m at least attractive enough that with proper grooming and dressing in clothes that fit the style of the girls I’m interested in like the whole pop punk/emo thing I can be appealing to them.

I feel a level of guilt about that because looks do matter to an extent

CuriosCara · 2021-08-08T12:05:32+00:00

Just certain parts.

CitrusyDeodorant · 2021-08-09T12:48:46+00:00

There's nothing in red pill books that you couldn't find in any decent self-help book. But you know, without the horrible misogyny.

Title	Do you reject all of the red pill or only certain parts?
Author	Clear-War5922
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Date	August 7, 2021 9:29 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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