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Young, Male and Anti-Feminist – The Gen Z Boys Who Hate Women

DigitalisEdible

June 10, 2021
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyv7by/anti-feminist-gen-z-boys-who-hate-women
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Title Young, Male and Anti-Feminist – The Gen Z Boys Who Hate Women
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Date June 10, 2021 4:52 PM UTC
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[–]AppleJuicePro 89 points90 points91 points 5 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

Good for those boys. They've been saturated in feminism all their lives, from their (overwhelmingly female) teachers and mothers, as well as the anti-male popular culture and media. Boys are being brought up by people who hate them. It's no wonder many grow up to hate feminism.

If society is raising a generation of "misogynists" women only have themselves to blame. Ladies, this is your mess. You wanted men out of the family and away from "your" children, you are responsible. Not the boys, not men, YOU.

[–]Luck3y-P0rk 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Alright but instead of pointing fingers and being bitter wouldn’t it be better if we worked to undo the bad?

[–]who_dis_bichh 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And how exactly do you "undo" years of men demonization culture?? Genuine question, not trying to challenge your idea or anything

[–]Luck3y-P0rk 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s about winning the culture war I guess… keep trying to make radicals understand that what they see on the media isn’t representative of the real world anymore and sit people down to have discussions.

I’ve lost really good friends when discussing things like this and it hurts. But it’s what needs to be done if I can just change 1 persons mind I’ve made an impact. Stop looking at what society should be doing and you should start doing small things and encouraging those in your circle to do the same

[–]j0k3ricu 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would rather let it play out. morality will win at the end.

[–]Luck3y-P0rk 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s optimistic

[–]j0k3ricu 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

We might a battle or two (metoo). But, we will win the war. Men's rights has tried its best to shine a light on misandry. But, we are being called misogynist, white supremacist 😂, etc.

Following stoicism and facing the battle that we can win is the solution. That's my 2 cents.

[–]Glum-Pen-728 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but instead of pointing fingers and being bitter wouldn’t it be better if we worked to undo the bad?

Lmfao.

lets not put blame where its due, because some of the guilty are women.

[–]Rhum-runner 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not my fault the government made it so easy to get rid of him tee hee!

[+]Astw101 -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Cmon guys, as if society was better to women https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/25-outrageously-sexist-vintage-ads-you-wont-believe-existed-d9e6e234a625

Also, what about the old greeks and the Pseudoscientific evo-pschs with this penis envy theory or women are less intelligent, or as if people like Alphonse francois de sade weren't already extremely anti-women. Feminism did not emerge for hating men. According to this logic men have nothing to blame but themselves?

[–][deleted] 109 points110 points111 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

"Half of young men in the UK now believe that feminism has “gone too far". How did it get this bad?"

I hope by 'bad' they're talking about the feminist movement.

When the media constantly demonises men and presents them as some sort of evil rapists that want to harm women and encourage women to carry weapons or keys whenever they go near a man for self-defence, can you blame young men for feeling that it's gone too far?

[–]ReverseShell1337 48 points49 points50 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Feminists try to lie that women's rights and feminism are the same thing, THEYRE NOT.

feminism believes women are oppressed, but at the same time more powerful than men, with no legal basis backing it up

Women's rights movements want to give women and men the same rights (usually found in third world countries)

Vice wholeheartedly believes that half the UK population believes women's rights have gone too far, the article is fucking stupid

[–]Mahameghabahana 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean why would third world countries have women's rights movement when many of third world laws are already against men?

[–]ReverseShell1337 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah true, and also, the people who have to go to war, feed their families, and work are men.

[–]Mahameghabahana 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]ReverseShell1337 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey which countries have subscribed to the third world woke program? (Idk what it is or why but so many woke programs in third world countries that benefit women)

Is there a list? Can I start with what?

[–]DavidByron2 85 points86 points87 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

written by an old woman who hates men.

[–]Shiiroun 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't need to be old sadly, the new generations of feminists are as vicious when it comes to spewing hate and false information

[–]schmadimax 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup she's a young one alright.

[–]connzerjeeass 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've actually found that older feminists are nicer because they lived through oppression

[–]alclarkey 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, Vice, the words "feminism" and "women" are not interchangeable. Therefore loathing of feminism =/= loathing of women. The title of your article is cancer. And apparently the content.

[–]DigitalisEdible[S] 64 points65 points66 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thought this was worth posting. Vice once again peddling the notion that recognising the social disaster that is feminism means you “hate women”, while conflating recognition of their nonsense with incels and dangerous extremism.

[–]IronJohnMRA 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well sure, it's always good to review the free advertising that's available to the public. Heck, this article alone might bring in a few hundred MRA's. What is Vice's readership like again?

[–]irrelevantmoniker 86 points87 points88 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You know. I like how everytime they hear "half of young men think feminism has gone too far" the thought "maybe we've gone too far" never even crosses their minds.

[–]AppleJuicePro 38 points39 points40 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong."

[–]Pencil-lamp 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m not insane, you’re insane!

[–]rabel111 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So young men have not been cowed and humbled by the feminist shrills blaming all men for any woman's hardship.

The constant demeaning of men and boys, the shaming of boys in schools and in the media, the casual misandry of feminist forums, authors and academics, none of these hateful misandrist behaviours have won over hearts and minds of young men and recruited them to the feminist cause.

Reality disproves the ideology, facts dispell myths, and more young men reject feminism as an extremist movement.

[–]Maviarab 31 points32 points33 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women speak, and men listen and are able to understand their masculinity through this outpouring.

Says everything really /s

[–]FewWeek0 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

More of the same patronizing bullshit from the mainstream media. Any opinion that falls outside of the media's perverted, woke, morally bankrupt ideology is considered "extremist" and invalid. Even when opposing views are thoroughly supported by empirical evidence. The article is, as usual with the media, totally out of touch with what actually goes on online. The article reads like it was written by some boomer who has done nothing but watch Rachel Maddow for the past 5 years.

The article reminds me of the movie “Cuck” for those who don’t remember it:

https://youtu.be/YO3ud8McShc

[–]EMPIREVSREBLES 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In other words "why aren't young men blaming themselves for every problem to exist? It's their fault." Wouldn't men blaming themselves for problem go under "toxic masculinity". So what the fuck are they on when they want men to blame themselves for problems out of their control? Fucking dumbasses...

[–]Shiiroun 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah right, I forgot being anti feminist obviously meant being against women's rights and hating women... Because god forbid we don't support a movement that demonizes us and actively work against us, right?

We should make a "Young, Female and Anti-Male - The Gen Z Feminists Who Hate Men" article unlike we wouldn't even need to make strawman arguments like they do to prove our points since they're not even trying anymore to pretend they don't hate us (#menaretrash, #killallmen, #yesallmen...).

[–]DavidByron2 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's pretty hard to find any data from the survey itself but they select a few other pieces of data to reveal to the public in their summary. It looks like the organization behind it is a feminist hate group. Anyway among other things they say,

Hold a positive view of feminists? Women 36% yes Men 20% yes

Hold a negative view of feminists? Women 5% yes Men 18% yes

So there has been a lot of movement against feminism, especially in terms of people being brave enough to admit it to an on-line polster.

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/youth-fear-and-hope-2020-07-v2final.pdf

[–]BloodyTamponExtracto 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Didn't read the article. Does the author ever address what being anti-feminist has to do with hating women?

[–]mikesteane 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, she appears to work on the assumption that feminism is good for women and therefore to oppose it means that you must hate women.

[–]reddboy1981 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the UK feminism became increasingly about a small elite of rich white women getting top jobs at big companies and nothing to do with the working class woman it became about university educated snobs that became increasingly detached from reality feminist doctrine is simple remove the male figure from the woman's life ( husband father boss ) and replace it with femanism role model one way of doing this is by planting the seeds of fear in their heads by telling them all men will rape you I'm glad young men a rejecting this nonsensical bile

[–]lestratege 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has never been anything but a way for upper class women to gain power by painting the real discrepancy between upper class men and upper class women as a discrepancy across the board between men and women.

Since women are so hypergamous, they only consider the men at the top and completely ignore the others. That's why feminism is about gaining positions at the top for upper class women, and not sharing the burden of lower class men.

[–]DavidByron2 24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Again the similarities between traditional conservative and feminism is clear here. Look at the way this woman expresses herself and what she decides to invent as language to attack the male. The prudery of having conniptions over a kid playing a video game, just like a few decades ago the tradcons would blame video games for everything bad, or else rock and roll, or cannabis.

He didn’t acknowledge her when she placed the mug next to him

Tut tut! Children not respecting their elders. Another key tradcon bugbear.

Along with slurs and typical internet 4chan slang she knew like “triggered” and “cuck”, she noted a few she didn’t

Oh the youth of today! With their strange words! So disrespectful!

Marie told their mother what she had learned about her brother

Snitching is good.

[–]Loud_Telephone_8924 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is left wing

[–]lasciate 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Those with real power laugh at the idea of categorizing anything as strictly "left-wing" or "right-wing". For example, Feminists helped trick the largest population in human history into thinking it was a privilege to be cheap labor for global capitalists. Feminists have been also been present to distract and derail in every major left-leaning social movement in the West in the past century. Most recently they helped drown Occupy Wall Street with a deluge of intersectional sludge so thick not even the simplest message of "99%vs1%" could get through.

Feminists are 100% Perfect Form Traditionalists. They want all men to be forced to treat them like wives - coddling, kneeling, protecting, carrying, and providing for them - minus even the lightest strictures of actual marriage. Post-scarcity traditionalists whose selfishness knows no bounds.

[–]RockmanXX 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They want all men to be forced to treat them like wives - coddling, kneeling, protecting, carrying, and providing for them - minus

I mean they're not completely delusional to want that, there are far too many white knights and Simps willing to make that a reality.

[+]DavidByron2 -11 points-10 points-9 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It says it's left wing.

And you believe feminists tell the truth I guess.

Me? I'm skeptical of hate movements and liars in general. I determine if something is left or right wing by what it does and it's dogmas. So feminism is right wing. Specifically it's an off shoot of traditional conservatism.

[–]alclarkey 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is left wing. Find a feminist, start a discussion about something not related to gender issues, IE guns, taxes, welfare, etc. You will find clear left wing biases. In fact, I challenge you to find any feminist that supports firearm ownership, the one thing that does actually level the playing field between men and women, even firearm ownership for women only they are against.

[+]DavidByron2 -10 points-9 points-8 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Gun control isn't left wing. A lot of communists are pro-gun rights because as I keep having to point out to right wing gun nuts what they merely TALK about doing the communists have repeatedly actually done. How do they think Castro overthrew Batista?

But in any case if you think you can make a judgement about whether an issue is left or right wing then you've already conceded to my point that you should judge feminist by what they do and their dogma not what they say they are.

Feminists are sexist which is anti-left. Feminists are racist which is anti-left. Feminists are elitist and dismiss class interests. Feminists are authoritarian. Feminists are prudes. Feminists are moral scolds who are hypocrites.

[–]CryptocurrencyMonkey 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Biden literally ran on it and won.

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Biden ran on everything he opposes.

[–]__Vandetta__ 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When a product Made by Women is toxic and unnatural, and they label the problem with it as Man Made.

Nah love, you've got a legal defamation case coming up for the wrong label plus you're gonna get sued for the product being harmful for the environment we live in... This is how.

P.s Wow, my creativity knows no bounds.

[–]lestratege 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Treating political opposition as a mental illness. Very feminist like. Very Brejnev.

[–]Da_Bagelz 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

BuT tHe NEwS iS alWaYs RiGHt!1!!1!1!

[–]sandiboijamie 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i KnOW RiGHt?

[–]Bojof12 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The first paragraph gave me a headache 🤦🏾‍♂️

[–]drtapp39 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hating feminism does bot equal hating women. This gets spun so much it's funny

[–]Starmind0 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People can deny it all they want, but "misogyny" is VERY low on the dangerous list. Meanwhile misandry killed millions of men's lives. So dumb misandrists like vice need to shut up about privilged people being so "in danger".

[–]Debiuu 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate this title I'm anti feminist yet most my friends are women lol Apparently I hate my friends

[–]apx_rbo -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The bare bone essence of feminism was ok and good for women, as well as very powerful, that's why first and second wave feminists were so effective. Anything after that and their values have deteriorated and it's not about equality really since the wage gap doesn't exist in the way people think it does and the law affords equal protection under the law. Correct me if I'm wrong

[–]sakura_drop 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In 1848, The Declaration of Sentiments, said to be the foundational document of the feminist movement (though it can be traced back in an earlier form before this as detailed in this rather comprehensive talk) was published, which states the following:

"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world."

It then lists a number of ways in which they perceive women to be lacking in rights, then constantly blames men for all of them and accuses them of creating the system that they created for the sole purpose of the oppression of women. There is no mention of the duties, responsibilities and burdens that men and boys had during that time (of which there were many), or the privileges that women were entitled to during that time (of which there were many).

Essentially, the very basis of feminism is anchored in patriarchy theory AKA the idea that men and women are the enemies of each other, that men in power would work in the interests of other men at the expense of women's interests given the chance and that all of the gendered societal norms we see were created for the purpose of privileging men and oppressing women. It's an inaccurate and completely off-base view of society, but this is what feminists have believed since the beginning. [Thank you to problem_redditor.]

Moving forward, have a look at this marriage advice pamphlet from 'A Suffragette Wife'; update the lingo a bit and you've got yourself a typical misandrist screed you might see as a Twitter thread. Then there's their prime role in the White Feather Campaign during the war, shaming men and boys as young as 15 for 'draft dodging.' Then there's the fact that they were basically domestic terrorists who engaged in very dangerous, life threatening tactics.

This is all 1st Wave stuff. 2nd Wave is where all the radfem craziness comes into play - Valerie Solanas and her S.C.U.M Manifesto, Andrea Dworkin, Mary Daly, Catharine A. MacKinnon, etc. - which was the 60s and 70s, so that's now 50/60 years ago:

 

  • Andrea Dworkin: “Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.” / "I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." / "Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies."

  • Catherine Mackinnon: “Male sexuality is apparently activated by violence against women and expresses itself in violence against women to a significant extent.” / "In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." / "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."

  • Valerie Solanas: "To call a man an animal is to flatter him." / "Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex."

  • Robin Morgan: “I feel that 'man-hating' is an honourable and viable political act." / "And let's put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism--the lie that there can be such a thing as 'men's liberation groups.' Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a 'threatening' characteristic shared by the latter group--skin, color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism--the oppressed have no alternative--for they have no power but to fight. In the long run, Women's Liberation will of course free men--but in the short run it's going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women--kill your fathers, not your mothers."

  • Germaine Greer: “Men are the enemy.” / "Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release."

  • Shulamith Firestone: “All men are selfish, brutal and inconsiderate."

  • Marilyn French: “All men are rapists and that’s all they are." / "As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE." / "The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations...obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign."

 

This was also the era - the 70s, to be precise - in which Erin Pizzey, who opened the first domestic violence refuge in the modern world (Chiswick Women's Aid) in '71, ended up being subjected to a campaign of hate and harassment by various feminists which would go on for decades due to her acknowledgement of cyclical patterns of violence and female perpetrators/male victims, which led to her fleeing the country, having to get her mail checked by the bomb squad, and her dog being killed.

The idea that it's only 3rd/4th Wave or "modern" feminism that has gone off the rails as it were, just doesn't stack up.

There's also a book on this from 1946, Women as a Force in History by Mary R. Beard - an American historian, author, women's suffrage activist, and women's history archivist - which "challenges the traditional feminists' view and argues that women had always been active agents in history alongside men... [and] contends that focusing on women as victims instead of their impact in the world was distorted and inaccurate."

A notable quote from the text:

"It seems perfectly plain that the dogma of woman’s complete historic subjection to man must be rated as one of the most fantastic myths ever created by the human mind."

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[–]sakura_drop 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some further reading:

  • 'The History of Feminism' - a transcript of a talk given at Cambridge University by Elizabeth Hobson (which was protested by feminists, as described in the transcript - there is also a video link)

  • A compilation of evidence debunking feminist historical revisionism. - reddit post by problem-redditor

  • A big compilation of arguments and statistical evidence that I am becoming very tired of having to restate. - reddit post by problem_redditor

  • Feminism and the Duluth Model. - reddit post by problem_redditor. This is an example of feminism having an impact on an institutional level, in this case: domestic violence.

  • Mary Koss, the CDC and when a rape victim is not a rape victim. - reddit post by problem_redditor. This is an example of feminist research, in this case from Professor Mary P. Koss, having a detrimental effect on the recognition of male rape victims; female rapists; and the true statistics behind rape and sexual assault by gender.

  • 'You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.' - a long comment chain in a reddit thread from a few years ago started by a response written by Karen 'GirlWritesWhat' Straughan. The initial comment lays out a summary of the many ways in which feminism has acted in bad faith (in a manner of speaking) for a very long time, and as it's a discussion with other posters you can see more of a back and forth with numerous replies by GirlWritesWhat (which are highlighted, but you'll have to scroll down).

  • Following from that: By denying that the feminist establishment is hostile towards men, the so-called "true feminists" who "care about gender equality" are complicit in helping to defend sexism and discrimination against men. - reddit thread by Oncefa2. Title is fairly self explanatory.

  • 'Why No One Cares About Feminist Theory' - an article on Quilette by James Lindsay, one of the four partipants in the 'grievance studies affair.' Despite the title, this piece contains numerous examples of feminism's influence in academia and its subsequent 'real world' effects.

  • 'Meeting the Enemy': TED Talk by filmmaker Cassie Jaye, who's 2016 documentary on the men's rights movement, The Red Pill was something of a game changer. Jaye was a self-proclaimed feminist before making the film, went into it with ill intentions, but her experiences during the making of and after the film was released changed her perspective. She renounces the feminist label in the above talk.

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[–]apx_rbo 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like it. You proved me wrong. Applause good sir

[+]RandomEqualist -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i think thats bad, that article was pretty scary so was the document

are you trying to show feminist sources? that doesnt help with mens rights at all

[–]Alex-xoxo666 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think there’s a big difference between hating women and hating feminism

[–]Criket 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate arrogance, liar and entitled people... so naturally I generally doesn't like feminists.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They have hated men for 70 years and wonder why this is happening?

The pendulum always swings back.

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