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UK: Middle-aged father, 50, wins £7,500 payout after being rejected for £40,000-a-year NHS job as he wouldn't fit in with 'millennial' women who worked there

furchfur

January 13, 2021
394 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9142401/Father-50-wins-7-500-payout-rejected-NHS-job-millennial-women-colleagues.html
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Title UK: Middle-aged father, 50, wins £7,500 payout after being rejected for £40,000-a-year NHS job as he wouldn't fit in with 'millennial' women who worked there
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furchfur

Upvotes 394
Comments 40
Date January 13, 2021 3:30 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/kwipdi/uk_middleaged_father_50_wins_7500_payout_after/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/uk-middle-aged-father-50-wins-7500-payout-after.836121
https://theredarchive.com/post/836121
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Comments

[–]IronJohnMRA 157 points158 points159 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

he was told it was because his would-be boss felt she would be uncomfortable giving instructions to someone old enough to have an 11-year-old daughter.

Any employer who actually told this to a job candidate deserves to be sued, and probably fired. I'm glad they did not get away with their prejudice. At least this time.

[+]SokalDidNothingWrong42 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It seems like it was the team (rather than the manager) who had a problem with him, the managers gave him a high score on the interview then for some reason changed their minds after introducing him to the team:

After the interview he and the other top ranked applicant - a woman in her 20s - were introduced to other members of the team, including a woman named Rose, the tribunal was told.

They were then asked what they thought of him as part of an exercise to see who would be the 'best fit'.

As part of the evidence the tribunal were shown tweets from Rose's twitter account.

'(She) described her interests as including 'social justice, inequality feminist',' the panel said. 'Many retweets shown to us were of a feminist or gender equality theme.

'One retweet read ''London is the most diverse city in the UK but women are still paid less than men and there are too few of them in leadership roles''.

'We were also shown (Dr Lee's) Twitter account where she described herself as a 'millennial'.'

Comments made by the team included questioning whether Mr McClements was too experienced, whether he was too senior and how he was 'very different' to the woman he was replacing.

The following day, after deciding to appoint the other candidate, Dr Lee called Mr McClements, from Spalding, Lincolnshire, to tell him his application had not been successful.

The whole "11 year old daughter" thing seems like Dr Lee just coming up with some weak excuse after an unidentified team member had a problem with him.

[–]destarolat 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She says she values diversity, but he is too different.

[–]higgs456 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My line of work is 80% women and people in it still promote and hire women for diversity, it's insane, I'm the only man on most of my projects and never at any point is my maleness seen as something that contributes to the diversity of the team

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's 50. He's old enough to have a 30-year-old daughter.

[–]IronJohnMRA 85 points86 points87 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Others were known to support social justice causes including feminism and gender equality 

Boy, did he dodge a bullet.

[–]empatheticapathetic 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly yes.

[–]IronJohnMRA 72 points73 points74 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now the panel, headed by Judge Tony Hyams Paris, has ruled he was the victim of both age and sex discrimination.

Absolutely right. Correct decision by the judge.

[–]IronJohnMRA 62 points63 points64 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We concluded that the point (she) was making was that she would find it difficult to manage someone who was much older than her

Thats her problem, not his. She was the unqualified employee, not him.

[–]SPLUFFT 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, people uncomfortable with managing people older than them have no right to a leadership position

[–]Apellosine 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

When I was at university in my early 20s I worked at a subway to help pay my way and one of the shift managers was a 16 year old girl who was brilliant at what she did. She was confident, got people organised and had the store running well for the shift.

[–]cld8 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

16 year olds can be managers? I thought they weren't allowed to work more than a very limited number of hours in most places.

[–]Apellosine 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shift manager, not really a manager just a title for a shift leader.

[–]cld8 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah okay. But don't you have to be working for a while before you become a shift leader? Did she start working at 15 or something?

[–]helix427 46 points47 points48 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

7,500 Pounds for a 40,000 a year job? That is an insult and a mockery of the man and his case. He should be getting 7,5 million pounds.

[–]IronJohnMRA 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. I wonder how much his lawyer charged him? Hopefully, not more than 7, 500 pounds.

[–]planned_serendipity1 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That was my thought too, there should be punative damages to keep them from doing it again.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

to keep them from doing it again.

Its the taxpayer who pays for it isn't it? So why would this stop them, they'll just continue doing it but keep their mouth shut next time. If anything they would do so even more because they will view this as an "exactly why we didn't want to work with him" type of thing.

[–]jacksleepshere 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He wasn’t going to be working there for 200 years.

[–]BumpHeadLikeGaryB 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But he was probably gonna work longer then a couple months haha I mean maybe not, considering the hiring process, but still.

[–]Throwaway_Old_Guy 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He should have gotten at least one years wage, and all costs covered.

There also needs to be a review of the NHS hiring practices.

[–]TigPlaze 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hurrah. For once a smidgen of justice. This kind of crap goes on all the time, and most of the time they get away with it. It happened to me. I was fired for my gender alone.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What happened? Please share.

[–]TigPlaze 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was hired to work for a weight loss company where thus far only women worked. The woman who hired me thought I would be a good fit and could help people. Which was true. I knew my stuff. However, another woman was angry that they would no longer be an all-woman crew. One day I was in charge of making a bank deposit. I went to the closest branch, which was absurdly busy. It would have been about an hour wait, so I drove to the next closest one, which was only about 10 minutes away and could do the deposit just as well. So I took care of that and came back. Then the one jealous woman used that as an excuse to fire me because supposedly driving that extra 10 minutes put the deposit at risk. It was total BS, of course. I made a logical choice that worked. But she got me fired so that the place was an all-woman crew again.

[–]Ren_Yi 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is insane... imagine how these woman would feel if a man told a female applicant they didn't get the job because they had a child! These feminist would hit the roof! Yet they thought it acceptable to do it to him.

Why are gender obsessed feminists for all their talk of equality the most sexist people?

[–]Apellosine 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry but this millenial woman doesn't fit in with this group of middle aged men in this office, we can't have women here, especially that young....Hmmm, that sounds great to them right?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"equality for me, not for thee!" - real feminism.

[+]S2ocho6 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Nowadays it's more about female superiority rather than gender equality here.

[–]SamwoiseGenji 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah idk about that I feel like the people who are actually fighting for women’s rights are not the ones saying that.

[–]TalosGB 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A joke. If a female NHS worker sprained her wrist, she'd get £250K.

[–]furchfur[S] 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archive link, reccomended if accessing from a phone:

https://archive.is/wip/tRxs9

[–]JazzPhobic 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hold up.

Justice? To men? In the UK? About Sexism?

WITCHCRAFT!

[–]Astavri 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

7.5k worth....

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When 'diversity' = young women only.

[–]dungeonmonkey69 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Jobs for my girls"

[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should be sacked and he should get her job. Hopefully, he would be very different from the person he would replace.

[–]rahsoft 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this issue of people feeling uncomfortable "giving" orders to someone older than them has been covered on the net including linkedin

Ive already pointed out that the issue is that person lack of confidence because it sounds like a person who is both patronising and a bully.

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Most of us have dealt with people who have the attitude that they can bully people younger than them because of age, and now its seems the same mentality applies to gender( eg I can bully him )

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.. and for a group of deluded people who like to chant diversity. they were as diverse as the huff post team( middle class, white women).. who also demanded diversity.

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Now I'm left wondering why does the NHS waste so much public funding in this attitude instead of going for merit.

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Now i think its time the NHS started publishing gender breakdown of individual units and dept. Lets see which one are predominately women..

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Plus how stupid do you have to be for a millennial in order to publish damming evidence of your bias.. on social media..

[–]SultanSaatana 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remind me again how women are "oppressed" here in the UK?

[–]ianwagoner 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its Soooo ironic that these women and thousands like them claim to fight for diversity and equality. However, they have become the embodiment of the very thing they were fighting against. They DO NOT want diversity and they DO NOT want equality. Their ACTIONS are the proof.

[–]autotldr 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)


Despite being the best-performing candidate in an interview and scoring highest on all the tests, Neil McClements, 50, was rejected for a project manager post after potential colleagues at Guy's and St Thomas' NHS trust in London were consulted on his application.

The hearing in Croydon, south London, was told Mr McClements - who attended business school at Cambridge University - was interviewed for the job as project manager at the NHS trust in July 2018.The tribunal heard that during his presentation Mr McClements, who was 47 at the time, used visual aids including a Minion backpack featuring the yellow characters from the Despicable Me film series.

Supporting Mr McClements' claims of age and sex discrimination, the panel concluded: 'We were concerned that both conscious and unconscious bias were at play and that their focus on finding a person who was the 'best fit' led them to take into account factors which were discriminatory.


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