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But women are oppressed in india right ? Many such cases are false but ruins the life of men and his parents and siblings... more men suicides due to false cases in india... but all media is interested to project how women are oppressed....and men as criminals

chakamaki

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Title But women are oppressed in india right ? Many such cases are false but ruins the life of men and his parents and siblings... more men suicides due to false cases in india... but all media is interested to project how women are oppressed....and men as criminals
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Date August 19, 2020 3:10 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
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[–]iainmf[M] [score hidden] 5 years ago stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

Please include sources for screenshots of articles. Posts without sources may be removed.

The source for this is here:

https://www.mensdayout.com/in-the-news/dowry-harassment-case-on-dead-father-in-law/

[–]RyansPutter 192 points193 points194 points 5 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

How do you sue someone who's been dead for 11 years? I guess India has joined Clown World.

[–]Pinakin-sama 130 points131 points132 points 5 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link

Hey, a guy who's in India here. Though I'm not SUPER into the exact laws and all, we can definitely say that there is a HUGE disparity between what goes on in urban areas vs villages. These laws are essential in villages where old traditions still dominate and women really do require empowerment while in urban areas we see a lot more cases of ABUSE of this power granted to women by the government. It's such a tricky situation and I personally believe the way to go about this is spreading education asap in the villages so that we can then remove these laws. Btw, in India a man can not even be 'raped' because of the legal definition of it.

Edit: sorry I dont have any stats on my hand and if I'm wrong about anything I'm happy to delete my reply :D

Second Edit: My (uneducated)opinion for laws to be enforced in certain conditions is flawed and hence been removed from the main text.

[–]devilidol 65 points66 points67 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I hear everyone saying that we need more laws for women in india, because they are oppressed and all that, but quite honestly all we need is gender neutral laws. With severe punishment in cases of abuse of such laws. Laws should really not be variable to gender, caste, religion, ethnicity or whatever.

[–]Pinakin-sama 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most definitely. There's a line between laws to protect and straight out special treatment. There gendered laws lead to identity politics having a part in shaping our , People are individuals, their caste,gender, religion does not determine their ability to commit evil acts.

[–]The_ZMD 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminist NGO won the case against making rape laws in India gender neutral. https://m.timesofindia.com/india/Activists-oppose-making-rape-gender-neutral/articleshow/15049606.cms

Not the onion

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If that isn't one of the biggest evidence of how radical feminists try to only victimize themselves. *sigh*

[–]lazycringer420 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude if we educate the villages first and then try to remove these laws it won't work we must do it gradually as we educate them

[–]Pinakin-sama 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright then, if that's what will work the best, sure. As far as the media fails to shine light on what men face, people will have a perception of it being extremely rare and will treat it that way :/ . I remember that attempts to make rape a gender neutral crime was quickly shut down my feminists claiming that men couldn't be victims of rape

[–]n3xtm0v3 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I live in the UK. During COVId men were dying yet the news channels were talking constantly about how this virus affects women.

Feminism makes women victims and men perpetrators. Neither is true.

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, they have things like "1 in 5 deaths are women(example)" YOU MEAN 4 OUT OF 5 DEATHS ARE MEN YOU TWAT.

They keep saying that "generalization" is bad until it's in their favor. And when you call them out for it...they blame patriarchy for instilling those ideas in them xD

[–]n3xtm0v3 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it’s all business - women are huge consumers as are homosexuals. This is why everything is about women and LGBTQ etc.

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but it does play a part in the subconscious mind of women being ALWAYS portrayed as the victim. It just feels wrong from my perspective, but this is not to downplay the fact that India is obviously behind the world standard of how women should be treated as a whole.

And btw, what's your opinion of Piers Morgan? xD sorry, a bit random but I wanna know.

[+]VulgarGenes3 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Dude speaking of cities/civilized society it’s still untold law that you’re supposed to give lots to the girls when she’s getting married because they forgo their inheritance rights, atleast that’s what my friends from Hyderabad or Haryana have said. Their sisters or cousins were given a minimum of 5kg of gold among other stuff

[–]Pinakin-sama 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh wow! I remember the amount of gold that was given from our side of the family to the wife too, it was a heck ton of gold. I'm in karnataka btw.

[+]VulgarGenes2 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Then I’m sure nothing less than a kilo, South Indians follow this tradition more strictly. I’m not indian, but desi.

[–]Pinakin-sama 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely not less than a kilo. It's seen more of a tradition now (it was a christian wedding with the main wedding in the usual suits/gowns at church, but the bride changes into a traditional red saree when accepting the gold). I'm pretty sure it's a bit of hindu culture that rubbed off on our traditions throughout the generations. I've been living in india for the past 2 years, was born and brought up in the UAE :D

[–]Matt_the_Alien 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That makes a lot of sense, thank you

[+]Frosty-Gate-8094 -10 points-9 points-8 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

So, you are suggesting we should have different laws for Village and cities? And different for men and women. People like you are the reason 100s of men commit suicide every year due to false cases.

Things aren't great in villages, but you know where things are even worse in our country? It's in the laws itself....

[–]Pinakin-sama 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Claiming I'm the reason for 100's of suicides is something I will not tolerate, how dare you. I gave a disclaimer that my opinion is not highly educated. I did not ask for it to be enforced, and even said I'd delete it if it was truly out of line.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't say, I said ppl like you.. Sorry if you aren't Indian, I thought you are...

The issue is not of village vs cities... Women have problems in cities too. .

But the blatant gender biased laws are used for Harassment and extortion..

There is no punishment for false cases....

It's impossible to have different laws for different ppl in a civilized society. If they are made gender neutral,, and appropriate punishment for false cases, a lot of issues like the above case can be avoided...

It's not too much to ask is it?

[–]Pinakin-sama 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am HIGHLY in favor of the laws being made gender neutral. I definitely did not intend on it to mean the opposite. I am in favor of the punishment against false accusers to be greatly increased.

secondly, yes women in cities face just as many problems, but I said that the laws are ABUSED there a lot more.

[–]Pinakin-sama 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that the laws are stacked against us. But it's the same laws made to protect women from negative effects of caste/religion/ideas that seem to be necessary and outdated at the same time in india. I'm genuinely scared for how helpless I'll be if even one woman falsely accuses me of anything. The crowd here will leap on anything to beat men up while if the roles were reversed, the woman would be innocent until proven guilty...sometimes even after.

[–]chintan22 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

India has a different set of personal laws for muslims, dictated by a separate Sharia board, AIMPLB. They are allowed 4 wives, divorce is easy, underage marriage and wife beating are legally permissible (including cort precedence for the same), etc basically Sharia law.

Different laws for different areas wouldn't be shocking.

[–]Pinakin-sama 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's the issue, India's laws consider the religion/castes etc BEFORE their individuality. I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN,MALE,BROWN, CIS-gendered whatever. I am a thinking, feeling HUMAN first, and treat me like one.

[–]chintan22 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying that AIMPLB and other shit is good in any way, just stating a current fact. The problem is also that while there are many who think human first, there are many others who see the surrounding traits too, and that becomes your only identity for them

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes exactly, I'm not disagreeing with you, it is a fact. I personally feel like we need unbiased education with 0 propaganda behind it to tell these people their true worth. What you said is entirely true, these surrounding traits become their identity. Choosing parties in India is also more about choosing the RELIGION of the majority of the party. eg: BJP-hinduism. India being secular is a joke anyway.

[–]chintan22 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's more like BJP-Modi. Nobody really voted for bjp, it was for modi and shah, and this includes some muslims who aren't goats in a herd, because I genuinely believe they want to work towards India's best interests. Many "secular" hindus, still vote for congress

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ahh, I guess I would have to respectfully disagree. Though I don't have any numbers and it's purely anecdotal, the religion of a person tends to have an effect on their candidate from everyone I've seen/heard talk about it. But I think we could agree on the fact that religion, has to do atleast 50% of the opinion an politically 'uneducated' person would form.

And our news channels are so biased(imo) xD they all favor one or the other party and none truly looks at things objectively.

[–]chintan22 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Religion has a very tangible effect on voting choice, but bjp-hindu is not an accurate correlation.

[–]PolicyWonka 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can sue the estate of a deceased individual.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hOw DaRe YoU sAy ThAt AbOuT mY hOmElAnD, yOu StUpiD fUcK.

[–]dogmashah 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

copy paste of probably an different case by the attorney.

[–]NekoiNemo 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What's "dowry harassment"?

[–]d4m4s74 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Requiring a dowry in order to marry (illegal) and harassing the bride and her family to get it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Asking money from Bride before or after marriage. Its was tradition until IPC 498A was launched 30 years ago

[–]Shakuni_ 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well because after marriage the women will be living with the husband and tge husband will have to bear all her expenses the Family of the bride is supposed to pay an amount of money which is called dowry. It is not illegal to ask for ir give dowry, dowry harrassment is when the family of the groom harasses the bride demanding more dowry.

[–]jello_maximus 85 points86 points87 points 5 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

It's insane to infer that women aren't oppressed in India.

There are rotten cases like this in any aspect of life. This sucks, but it's not a result of systemic oppression and literal slavery.

Posts like this make the other side look at the MensRights movement and have their criticisms affirmed. This reeks of "insecure, angry little incel"

Please just stop. And btw I'm by no means a feminist in the modern sense of the word.

*edit: here's something else to think about - how ironic is it that certain radical leftists would agree with your post. The same radical leftists that refuse to acknowledge systemic oppression of women in other countries to affirm their "cultural woke-ism" narrative would love to see this post and high-five you in solidarity for continuing to downplay reality

[–]Autofrotic 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Am living in India, what you said is absolutely correct

[–]SiPo_69 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for saying this. I got downvoted to hell on another post when I said this in agreement with a dude who literally lives in India.

[–]jello_maximus 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We have to be rational. With all the insane noise on both radical ends of the political spectrum, I am confident that logic and reason will prevail. I would like to be on the right side of history, in that regard

[–]Lethn 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Posts like this make the other side look at the MensRights movement and have their criticisms affirmed. This reeks of "insecure, angry little incel"

You lose credibility entirely when you resort to using incel in your post otherwise I would have agreed with you only feminists do that kind of thing and you're entertaining their bullshit. This kind of shit is what makes it impossible to have a conversation about anything on reddit and why I'll celebrate when this site dies.

[–]jello_maximus -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude, do you not see the point I'm making? I didn't say I agree with the term. I'm saying that term is used to describe angry anti-women men. Men that OP seems to be on par with. Because only an angry, bitter, probably lonely person would proclaim such ridiculous things such as the non-existence of oppression in India

[–]Lethn 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When you entertain their bullshit you give them credibility, if this sub has a problem it's caring way too much what feminists think of them who are just going to attack them anyway. I bring it up because what you're doing is an equivalent of "Let me start off by saying I don't hate women".

You're pandering to them instead of focusing on the points you're trying to make. I believe the term is feminists are living in your head rent free and it shows I think too many people are like that and letting these idiots get to them.

[–]jello_maximus 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, okay. If you want to argue with me over a single word I used, when you admittedly said you agree with every other word I used, then I don't understand your gripe. Either you agree with my comment or you don't. Don't virtue signal to me because you're upset by a word. I thought the other side were the snowflakes

And fyi: incel is not a toxic word. In fact, it's a real word with real usage. Just like any word, it can be overused by people with ill intentions. When used properly, it can certainly describe a tiny amount of men on the internet taking their anger and sexual frustration out on women. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water

[–]TatManTat -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

only feminists do that kind of thing

You don't sincerely believe this do you? Only feminists use the word incel in a derogatory manner?

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure I guess you can find one or two tradcons and the like who try and shame men using that word. So I should maybe use mostly if you're going to be a pedant I've only ever really seen feminists do it though.

[–]TatManTat 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My point was more incel is a derogotary term in most other circles regardless of feminist tendencies.

Unless you meant that but you're ascribing a huge chunk of the worlds population as feminist, which I wouldn't necessarily disagree with.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, whenever I've confronted people who use incel they often agree with feminist ideology. These people use these buzzwords almost as a coded way of communicating with each other and virtue signalling. You have to use this language in order be considered as one of them otherwise you aren't 'woke' enough. It's like for example if you see somebody trying to talk about how men need to cry more. It's almost inevitable they're batshit feminists who believe toxic masculinity and patriarchy is real yet they genuinely think they're moderates and different from the others.

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are definitely oppressed in india because of the societal and cultural shackles. I guess the title of the post makes it seem like there's no case in which women are oppressed, but there are very high false rape allegation rates in india, in delhi which is notoriously known for the rape cases, the percentage was found to be as high as 41%. And this tends disparity is really weird because in villages, the chances of a rape accusation being false is pretty low. And that's pretty troubling to solve.

But it is true that media coverage seems to turn a blind eye when it comes to sufferings of men. Even if the stats aren't show that men aren't being abused nearly as much as women, the fact that it's covered on the news reassures the sub-conscious mind that men can be victims at the hands of women. I call myself a feminist because condition of women in India as a whole, but the negative western radical feminism ideas seem to be spreading in the urban areas (spreading the idea of false victimhood etc). My elder sister is one of the strongest girls I know, but also one of the most toxic. She calls herself a feminist and says she was treated worse when she ruined my teenage years by calling me gay in front of my friends in school because I had gynecomastia and I never had the courage to do anything, my parents would always side with her.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indians in this sub, please be vocal in demanding

  1. Purush Aayog (National Commission for Men)
  2. The definition of rape to be made gender-neutral including male victims and female perpetrators
  3. False accusations punishable equally as corresponding conviction
  4. Ministry for Men
  5. Definition of modesty to include protection for men

[–]daandedodl 47 points48 points49 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Just because there are a lot of wrong cases does not mean women are not oppressed. Its important to look at womans issues as well, we want equal rights for everyone, not just men imo. Woman can be oppressed (violence based on gender is stupidly high over there). And we should support woman as well who are oppressed, just like we should help the poor men that get falsely accused, its not one or the other in my opinion.

[+]chakamaki0 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely love if you really want equality in India... because right now it's not...

My wife filed fake cases on me, my parents (mother and father) and sister along with her husband. my wife is an Electrical Engineer by education and I paid for her Master degree after our marriage. I helped my father in law (my wife's father) half amount of house they are currently living in right now. I helped her brother to get Job and I helped her mother in difficult times. I also paid approx. 10K/month medical expenses of her father when he was admitted in Hospital and they didn't had money. Just to mentioned you that I have documental evidence for all these including bank statements. I had never took dowry from my wife... infact while she was earning she never shared her salary with me but I used to do all expenses of home including helping her family.

after doing all these for her family, she accused me of false cases, due to which my mother and sister is also suffering.

basically, she is a Professor in Engineering College and we have a son who will become 7 years old this year.. I have not seen my son since 4 years because my wife complained against me and my family and accuse me as I was beating my son.... even my son is one of the complainant in application who was 4 years old at that time of filing the complaint.

Now, by this case setting example to my mother that she could misuse this law against my father, my sister learned that she could also misuse this law against my brother in law and my niece also learned the she can live with her parents on her husband's money forever without doing anything....

So yea... if you really work on equality it will really help.. because more than 80% cases are wrong...

one of the link for you: https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/around-80-of-the-cases-we-get-turn-out-to-be-false/article6266926.ece

let me know how can you help ?

[–]daandedodl 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, that sucks bro, its very important to support victims like you and similar cases. I personally still think its important to support both issues. As my initial issue with your post was the first sentence of your title. These cases like yours should definitely get more western media attention. But claiming that females are not oppressed at all in your country feels like taking it a bit light, still. Just because i think some woman are opressed does not mean men cant be oppressed as well. I wish you good luck with your life and the horrible events you have witnessed. I also appreciate that you take your time to respond properly.

Take care and lets fix men and woman issues together!

[–]cheesycheesling 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A singular example doesn't prove the cause wrong.

[–]NibbaFromQuora 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Over 99% of dowry cases are false. Over 90% of rape cases are false. It's not a singular example. It's a widespread scam. There are gangs running extortion rackets.
1. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-ncr-gang-threatening-fake-rape-cases-busted/story-nKtJo4Xl6vXOWoj3Vt6LQL.html

  1. https://www.timesnownews.com/mirror-now/crime/article/haryana-man-honeytraps-friend-for-demanding-money-back-tries-to-extort-rs-10-lakh-to-settle-rape-case/636276

  2. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/noida-extortion-racket-busted-women-would-ask-for-lift-then-threaten-fake-rape-case-5776023/

  3. https://www.hindustantimes.com/noida/4-cops-among-15-nabbed-in-noida-for-extorting-men-with-fake-sexual-assault-cases/story-rXAwnrHMadGxcxGQW2xhHM.html

Next time. Don't bark without any idea of reality

[–]NibbaFromQuora 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And you are downvoted because ITT

  1. White Rich men denying the oppression of Indian men without any idea of ground reality what so ever on the basis of biased western media.
  2. Indian teenage simps agreeing with their white masters.

[–]ayushmanranjan 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude this kind of stuff happens very often in india As soon as the woman files a charge you can be arrested without any kind of investigation. Brides threaten their husbands using this .the bride and her family very often misuse this law

[–]ThatMakesYouWonder 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Directed at the clickbiat title:

27% of girls in India are married before their 18 birthday and 7% are married before the age of 15.

​

#1 childbride country of the world

Nothing to see here people......move along....

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A peculiar thing about india is that if you see the distribution of these numbers on a map, there's a high chance the rural areas would make up a majority of these numbers. The legal age for marriage is 21 for men and 18 for women, and these laws are more easily enforced in the urban areas. I really hope education spreads farther towards the villages to break the issues there.

And there is something to see here. Due process is often a joke in india as the people oh so righteously take justice in their own hands to beat a man naked on the streets w/o knowing whether the accusation is true or not.

[–]mynameisoops 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It may be true that developing countries doesn't have too much women rights, but men aren't privileged as well. If you want to know, you only need to watch some of these very violent videos in the deep web of people being killed in countries such as Brazil, Pakistan, India, etc and almost all of the victims are male.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I really don't know what the propaganda against India is for, but this is the second post about India in 2 days.

Women don't have the exact same lives in India compared to the west but come on, I don't think it's helping anyone comparing rape to men's issues. Also India is up there as being one of the largest rape capitals of the world.

[+]chakamaki1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Can you prove it with data ?

[–]TaDaLaw 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Here is some data as well as here.

Like it was said above, the goal is equal rights for everyone, and tearing down women is not going to achieve this. We need to avoid bashing women. Also there’s no argument that men are oppressed in India.

[+]chakamaki-2 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

You are depicting things that are highly biased... I never said there are no rapes ... but calling india as rape Capital is something you are trying to educate yourself

[–]TaDaLaw 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok how about this, or this. I’m trying to remain unbiased here but the facts are clear that women are oppressed in India.

I’d also like to add that false cases are bad because they delegitimize real cases and ruin lives of men. Women and men need to work together on this in India. Not fight each other about who has it worse.

[–]Morellonomiconas 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's just dumb, dont waste more time with him. That's because of people like him that people hate this subreddit

[+]chakamaki0 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

According these statistics it's different than what you said....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Please educate your self first

[+]dikbum-1 points 5 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

No educate your self and read the wiki, lmao are you kidding me? https://katehon.com/389-top-10-countries-with-highest-rape-crime.html

[+]chakamaki-1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you know that study ? Do you know how many women were been participated? Man... am I talking with a feminist here ?

Also the post is about false DV case and not rape case:.: typical women behavior when they can’t prove their innocence they complicate things ... can’t stuck with what we are talking about

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I asked you why you're talking about false cases when it's a country that is one of the fucking leaders in rape?

Yeah false cases suck, but imagine getting raped. What are you even trying to say?

[–]UseCodeCeedayW2WhyS -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually the rape rate and unreported rape rate is lower than most of the western world

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ShoutOut to people are MensDayOut. Great work there

[–]thisisallanqallan 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is riddiculous!!

[–]Wubalubadubdubbiatch 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's the same bs as midle east where men die saving people from terrorism and everyone in the west loses it over women being expected to cover their body up, cause the men who die are replaceable but that vagina, that is one sacred thing, that has to experince the first world in a third world country no matter how many men are sacrificed

[–]kkwoopsie 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When the gender dynamics in a society are skewed, both sides suffer. These don’t have to be competing issues, they can be complementary, if people are willing to understand that the enemy is not each other. Rather, the enemy is antiquated structures that we can do away with if we decide to as a society. Why does your byline need to be, “look, here’s some discrimination against men, so I’m concluding that women aren’t discriminated against?” You and I are intelligent enough to understand that both can be true.

[–]bebasw 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, because in majority women have it worse there, but then that’s mostly because of it being a shithole in most regions. So yeah, balance of probability

[–]SirFreedom1776 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you sue a dead man?

[–]hazawillie 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What’s dowry harassment?

[–]Mario6416 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have a class about making arguements and I decide to do one on how male problems. I list everything: family court, false accusations, rape victims not taken seriously, and others. You know how she reacts? Says it's ok but it's "biased", focuses on more than one problem, that because there's a higher percent of female domestic violence, and that there is possibly NO male rape victims that don't come out because no one would believe them. The only problem with that is ANOTHER STUDENT DID A GENDER INEQUALITY that focused on more than one problem and was only about women. How is that not biased?

[–]ZoranJovo 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What are they gonna do, arrest him?

[–]Attk_Torb_Main 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's possible for both to be true; for there to be injustices against both men and women in a country of 1 billion+ people. I don't think one can safely make sweeping judgments about India as a whole from this one headline.

[–]NibbaFromQuora 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

ITT
1. White Rich men denying the oppression of Indian men without any idea of ground reality what so ever on the basis of biased western media.
2. Indian teenage simps agreeing with their white masters.

[+]chakamaki2 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

People doesn’t like truth opposite to their beliefs... they want to see women are oppressed and they are white knights being captain saving the hoe....

[–]NibbaFromQuora 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

People get so enraged when their beliefs are questioned.

BTW, I think I know who you are. Are you from Indore?

[+]chakamaki1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Sorry my wife was from indore

[–]NibbaFromQuora 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Okay. It's a blind shot. Did you graduate from IIT?

[+]chakamaki2 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Nope...

[–]NibbaFromQuora 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ahh. My senior from college(IIT) was falsely accused in 498A. He had a similar story as yours.

[+]chakamaki2 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Never mind... I am getting new calls every week from different NRI men complaining same issues and 99% stories are same...

(1) Guy heads down in study never have time to get a GF because he is been conditioned by our Indian families and society that men needs to be well groomed and high earning to get “Right” woman... and women are always delicate angels and never wrong...

(2) He spend his 25 years of life to get good education, career and suddenly he is the most eligible bachelor in town...

(3) his parents and/or relatives show him a girl and almost force him to marry her because again women are never wrong and they “Think” women’s family is good so girl is also good...

(4) Guy happily marries to girl thinking finally he can live the life that what projected to him since 20 years by his family and society that she will treat him like god and he should be luckiest to have her...

(5) he slowly realized all those movies and TV shows are bullshit and something wrong with his wife... all are accusing him that he must have done something wrong to her (Including his parents, friends and relatives) he tried to keep the marriage but wife becomes more abusive and aggressive... either she has a BF outside marriage or she wants the guy to stay separated from his family and friends and embrace (read it be a slave) of her family and becomes a savior of her brother and siblings....

(6) Guy refuses to become a cuck or a slave of her and she gets angry that how her pet (read husband) not do what she orders him to do... she threatens him... he doesn’t obliged and she went to her family...

(7) She tell all the false story to her parents, siblings and friends ... humiliated her husband and his family in society creates the drama ... girl’s father threaten guy and his family for severe punishment... goes and files 498a, CrPc 125, DV 2005, 406, 506 and Rape case on groom’s rather, brother and brother In law....

(8) Police involves here, try to take bribe from both side and punishes husband and his family on just words or girl...

(9) court cases proceeds for 4-5-10 years... meantime... guy is paying interim maintenance to girl and her family while she is enjoying with her many BFs outside... after sometime they try to settle matter outside court by starting demand of 1Cr...

(10) Either they finish mutually at 50 Lakhs or guy keep giving money to her and lost his child to her ....

[–]NibbaFromQuora 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is so true. The lawyers and the police make a fortune out of these. I loathe the stupid cucks ITT who tries to paint a picture different from what I have observed. In my 25 years in this country, I have seen

  1. 3 friends whose girlfriends were on the verge of filing false rape cases against them for breaking up. One of them was my roommate and I was gonna get dragged in that case too.
  2. 2 friends whose wife had filed a false dowry case against them.
  3. I have been physically abused by my ex-girlfriend and still have scratches in my skin for messaging hi to my female friend.
  4. Never met a single girl who has been raped or abused for dowry.

It is so sad and amusing looking at these fucktards commenting their opinion as facts without any basis or ground reality

[–]SemBerendsen 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean men are oppressed there too just like everywhere but you can't deny women are oppressed in india too

[–]skgody -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I talked to a woman in India who said she was a family court lawyer and she talked about her fear of rape and how much of a rape culture it was in India. Then after about 6 months she admitted it was pretty much a scam against men. Women get so many rights that men don’t get even women only carriages on the train. Education opportunities etc. But realistically the Indian culture is much different than western culture in many ways with things like arranged marriage and nuclear families.

[–]Save_room_for_Jesus -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Bruh women only carriages on trains are a matter of safety and actually really important in some places

[–]mikesteane 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Are there any men only carriages? Why not?

[–]skgody 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not that I know of.

[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So if the women have women-only carriages, the men are getting short-changed. It should work both ways, if at all.

[–]skgody 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be a better way to assess the needs of the people by offering men only carriages and would seem less misandrist.

[–]skgody 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They probably would not be in that position if they didn’t abandon British rule.

[–]lordvig -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn’t this sub about mens rights? Not a gotcha sub against women. Women are opressed in India and so are men.

Edit: anyone downvoting is seriously insecure. This is a place talking about mens rights. Not aiming agression at women. This story is anecdotal at best. Starting the title hinting that women’s opression might not be true is dumb.

[+]chakamaki1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a men rights with the sense that where men after dying also gets accused ....

[–]lordvig 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But why does the title have to question if women are? Just leave that shit out.

[–]catbom -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry mate have to say that women are absolutely oppressed in India, of the Indian women i know who are in Australia (5), only 1 of them is not forced into marriage by her family, 3 of the others are in abusive relationships where there husbands beat them. They can't speak out about it because their culture traps them into staying with their husbands, and they don't want me to step in because they're afraid of the consequences.

Maybe I just know the most unlucky Indian women but 1 out of 5 not forced into marriage and only 1 of them having a good marriage is not good numbers.

[–]Pinakin-sama 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Woah, that is quite rare I would say atleast out of 5 couples. I'm in south india where the literacy rates are comparatively higher. I'd like to think that education throughout generations is the solution to it. So it depends on whether they're the first gen to have formal and modern education, whether they were in a village before, etc. There are also cases where the parents though educated feel the necessity to follow the traditions. The issue is that false rape allegations are very rare in villages while they rise a lot in urban areas. I guess it could be because the laws made to protect the abysmal state of some women in villages are taken advantage of in the urban areas.

And I still have to agree, women in urban areas are not completely safe, but indian media tends to turn a blind eye when men are the victims. Idk why you got downvoted, seems like a valid thing to bring up, but yeah, using such a small sample set to form your idea of a country as diverse as india may not be the right move. Take care ^-^

[+]mechablock -7 points-6 points-5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

u/chakamaki is a complete neckbeard. You make us men look like losers

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus dude. You OK ?

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