80% females go for top 20% of males.

seancj133 · 2013-12-10T22:14:25+00:00

I have a source from the mouth of Kate Bolick, the post wall woman who was a real hottie in her day and rode the cock carousel without settling down before she was post wall. She's been discussed in this subreddit before and she's the woman who wrote the popular article in The Atlantic titled All the Single Ladies. In her article she points towards a female researcher when referring to the 80-20 principle. It's so fucking funny when women are actually the ones that parrot Red Pill philosophy yet when people in this subreddit parrot it they get called misogynists. Here's what Bolick said in her article about the 80-20 principle:

Last year, a former management consultant named Susan Walsh tried to dig a little deeper. She applied what economists call the Pareto principle—the idea that for many events, roughly 20 percent of the causes create 80 percent of the effects—to the college dating market, and concluded that only 20 percent of the men (those considered to have the highest status) are having 80 percent of the sex, with only 20 percent of the women (those with the greatest sexual willingness); the remaining 80 percent, male and female, sit out the hookup dance altogether. (Surprisingly, a 2007 study commissioned by the Justice Department suggested that male virgins outnumber female virgins on campus.) As Walsh puts it, most of the leftover men are “have nots” in terms of access to sex, and most of the women—both those who are hooking up and those who are not—are “have nots” in terms of access to male attention that leads to commitment. (Of course, plenty of women are perfectly happy with casual, no-strings sex, but they are generally considered to be in the minority.) Yet the myth of everyone having sex all the time is so pervasive that it’s assumed to be true, which distorts how young men and women relate. “I think the 80/20 principle is the key to understanding the situation we find ourselves in—one in which casual sex is the cultural norm, despite the fact that most people would actually prefer something quite different,” Walsh told me.

I became aware of Walsh this past summer when I happened upon her blog, HookingUpSmart.com, and lost an evening to one of those late-night Internet binges, each link leading to the next, drawn into a boy-girl conversation to end all boy-girl conversations. A frumpy beige Web-site palette and pragmatic voice belie a refreshingly frank, at times even raunchy, dialogue; postings in the comments section can swell into the high hundreds—interestingly, the majority of them from men. I felt as if I’d stumbled into the online equivalent of a (progressive) school nurse’s office.

A Wharton M.B.A. and stay-at-home mother of two, Walsh began her career as a relationship adviser turned blogger six years ago, when her daughter, then a student at an all-girls high school, started dating. She began seeking counsel from Walsh, and liked what she heard, as did her friends when she told them; in time, the girls were regularly gathering around Walsh’s kitchen table to pick her brain. Soon enough, a childhood friend’s daughter, a sophomore at Boston University, started coming over with her friends. Walsh started thinking of these ’70s-style rap sessions as her own informal “focus groups,” the members of one still in high school, those of the other in college, but all of them having similar experiences. In 2008, after the younger group had left home, Walsh started the blog so they could all continue the conversation.

In July, I traveled to Walsh’s home, a handsome 19th-century Victorian hidden behind tall hedges in a quiet corner of Brookline, Massachusetts, to sit in on one of these informal roundtables. I came of age with hookup culture, but not of it, having continued through college my high-school habit of serial long-term relationships, and I wanted to hear from the front lines. What would these sexual buccaneers be like? Bold and provocative? Worn-out and embittered?

When Walsh opened the door, I could immediately see why young women find her so easy to talk to; her brunette bob frames bright green eyes and a warm, easy smile. Once everyone had arrived—five recent college graduates, all of them white and upper middle class, some employed and some still looking for work, all unmarried—we sat down to a dinner of chicken and salad in Walsh’s high-ceilinged, wood-paneled dining room to weigh in on one of the evening’s topics: man whores.

“How do you all feel about guys who get with a ton of girls?,” Walsh asked. “Do you think they have ‘trash dick’?” She’d run across this term on the Internet.

One of Walsh’s pet observations pertains to what she calls the “soft harem,” where high-status men (i.e., the football captain) maintain an “official” girlfriend as well as a rotating roster of neo-concubines, who service him in the barroom bathroom or wherever the beer is flowing. “There used to be more assortative mating,” she explained, “where a five would date a five. But now every woman who is a six and above wants the hottest guy on campus, and she can have him—for one night.”

The new world of porn is revealing eternal truths about men and women. By Natasha Vargas-Cooper As I’d expected, these denizens of hookup culture were far more sexually experienced than I’d been at their age. Some had had many partners, and they all joked easily about sexual positions and penis size (“I was like, ‘That’s a pinkie, not a penis!’”) with the offhand knowledge only familiarity can breed. Most of them said that though they’d had a lot of sex, none of it was particularly sensual or exciting. It appears that the erotic promises of the 1960s sexual revolution have run aground on the shoals of changing sex ratios, where young women and men come together in fumbling, drunken couplings fueled less by lust than by a vague sense of social conformity. (I can’t help wondering: Did this de-eroticization of sex encourage the rise of pornography? Or is it that pornography endows the inexperienced with a toolbox of socially sanctioned postures and tricks, ensuring that one can engage in what amounts to a public exchange according to a pre-approved script?) For centuries, women’s sexuality was repressed by a patriarchal marriage system; now what could be an era of heady carnal delights is stifled by a new form of male entitlement, this one fueled by demographics.

Most striking to me was the innocence of these young women. Of these attractive and vivacious females, only two had ever had a “real” boyfriend—as in, a mutually exclusive and satisfying relationship rather than a series of hookups—and for all their technical know-how, they didn’t seem to be any wiser than I’d been at their age. This surprised me; I’d assumed that growing up in a jungle would give them a more matter-of-fact or at least less conventional worldview. Instead, when I asked if they wanted to get married when they grew up, and if so, at what age, to a one they answered “yes” and “27 or 28.”

Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/?single_page=true

Manuel_S · 2013-12-10T23:06:44+00:00

The 80-20 thing is very often based on a common guesstimate of likelihood that the pareto principle applies to a case.

This principle is a case of the pareto distribution with a well known parameter for the formula, there are countless others.

Unless there's data, consider it anecdotal and/or guesstimate.

-Fony- · 2013-12-10T19:21:37+00:00

human history, and every single microcosm of society you can think of(work, school, social circles). i believe there are several studies of STI's among college students citing that nearly half the females have certain infections while only 10% to 20% of the males have them.

also an exact, perfect 20% example....OKcupid.com the big dating site, 80% of males on the fucking dot are considered to be undesirable to the women on that site. yes, 20% of men on OKC are desirable.

Clauderoughly · 2013-12-10T20:01:47+00:00

Women would rather share and alpha with other women, than fuck a beta.

That's pretty constant across societies

ss_camaro · 2013-12-11T11:07:15+00:00

If you're in the top 5% there are no rules.

The lower 80% see only flaming hoops, whips and leftovers.

FemtoG · 2013-12-10T21:49:51+00:00

Quote is not accurate.

The ESSENCE of the quote is as follows:

100% of females would settle for nothing less than top 20% of males. The other 80% females who don't get the top 20% of males will live unhappy or in denial.

Maybe 2% can fall into the unique niche called "love"

Because_Patriarchy · 2013-12-10T22:58:52+00:00

This is just the Pareto Principle, no?

[deleted] · 2013-12-10T20:20:34+00:00

There was an OkCupid report done that supports the statistics. I'm at work so I can't access the website (not sure if I can see the study without an account either).

johnnight · 2013-12-11T01:11:01+00:00

Like this one: http://alphagameplan.blogspot.fr/2013/07/why-feminized-societies-will-fail.html

trplurker · 2013-12-11T01:26:30+00:00

Your going to find very little evidence directly supporting it, no study would get published due to academia being what it is.

Anyhow it's supported by our biological imperatives. Women want the absolute best DNA for their children and she will only fuck the best male that she perceives is available. I use the word perceives and available because to women it's all an subjective emotional judgement. If a fat frumpy 28yo hamplanet feels she can get George Clooney, then she'll only settle for what she feels is George Clooney level maleness.

Modern globalism has created the a false feeling of access amongst women, they feel they have access to a much higher level of male then what they actually have. When coupled with the BS entitlement that is feminism you get a whole population of entitles females who think it's their right to fuck high alpha males and for someone else to provide for that lifestyle.

I would think the modern ratio would me far more like 90/10 considering the sheer amount of ass I've gotten in the past few years compared to my beta coworkers / friends and I know there are guys who are even more promiscuous then me. Stop and think about it, the average guy fucks what, one girl a year if that. How many guys is she fucking on the side, and when she deems him to be holding back her access to more alpha cock how long will he be incel for? Add it all up and the only logical conclusion is that a very small minority of guys are fucking a majority of all the girls.

baroncuttlefish · 2013-12-11T05:04:38+00:00

The 80% 20% rule is a concept that didn't start here, I first heard it in business terms that "20% of your customers will bring you 80% of your wealth". It is a trend that people try to apply to other parts of their life, and if we apply it to the idea used here (Hypergamy I think is what it is called when women go for men with high Sexual Market Value?), it would state that "80% of women will go for the top 20% of men in terms of perceived SMV."

[deleted] · 2013-12-11T12:13:58+00:00

It's Pareto's principle extended to TRP. The actual figures would not be far off, let me see if I can get anything to support this.

[deleted] · 2013-12-10T20:53:07+00:00

Ahhh...the old 80/20 rule.

jmikolash · 2013-12-11T01:32:32+00:00

eighty twenty rule

lookiamapollo · 2013-12-11T03:04:33+00:00

Pareto Principle.

through_a_ways · 2013-12-12T02:59:48+00:00

Some rough evidence

From just a quick glance, it's clear that there's more diversity among female lineages (mtDNA) than male ones (YDNA). Central Asia seems to have great diversity in both, but it's to be expected since the geographical nature of the area made it prone to repeated invasion.

Here's another mtDNA map, with slightly different samples for some of the areas, but still displaying the same trend.

Hell, if you just look at the legend, there are 21 Y markers, and 27 mitochondrial ones.

Even a measure as indirect as a mapping of haplogroups supports the idea that more women pass on their genes than men. It's really nothing different from what you see IRL: men aren't too picky with their women, while women are. As for the 80:20 numbers, I'm not so sure, but I think it's a bit less disparate than that (maybe 65:35 or 70:30).

LaserSoundMusic · 2013-12-10T20:55:22+00:00

I doubt those exact percentages could be empirically verified but in my anecdotal experience it's true(probably a bit more forgiving the 80-20)

Manuel_S · 2013-12-10T23:40:23+00:00

This guys.

"“[Successful black men have] taken these stupid statistics about us to heart and are having the time of their lives. They do not hold themselves accountable to anybody for anything, and they’re getting away with murder … They lie to us without a conscience, they fuck as many of us at a time as they want to.”)"

Just move it some years forward, exchange white for black, and you're set.

Extra points for calling reality stupid.

From article All the single ladies which is actually quite damn good, if too judgmental at times.

trplurker · 2013-12-10T22:38:54+00:00

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djkaleidoscope · 2013-12-11T21:09:15+00:00

Wtf? This seems like some blue pill shit. It's true, we know it's true, and anyone who adheres to RP knows it's true, what documentation would satisfy you because everything that people offer up, you dismiss immediately.

Manuel_S · 2013-12-10T23:13:39+00:00

Men want to get laid, women want to get paid.

Simple as hell. This also explains what goes on in okcupid and such.

Title	80% females go for top 20% of males.
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Date	December 10, 2013 7:11 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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