Something had to be done...

mrmensplights · 2019-01-29T13:47:02+00:00

Except there are an infinite number of Toxic Masculinities because no one can agree on a definition. It's just a smear word for men.

themolestedsliver · 2019-01-29T18:10:00+00:00

It would amuse me if it wasn't justifying a sexist slur. Like the amount of mental gymnastics people go to in order to justify "toxic masculinity" and how it doesn't inherently mean masculinity in general is toxic is quite high

Like someone just yesterday said "well if we have a red crayon that doesn't mean all crayons are red" as if that point is relevant in any way.

My favorite way to prove toxic masculinity is a sexist term name is considering if we were to call all rotten and or fruit that has gone bad "bad apples" despite it being a moldy pear lets say. It puts unfair negative association on apples while also not being indicative to the true problem.

Though stupid is as stupid does, when i mentioned this to the person who brought up the crayon metaphor they started on "bad apple has a societal definition so you defeated you're own point" as if that makes sense in the context i gave for it at all....

ReasonItOut · 2019-01-29T18:22:43+00:00

Toxic masculinity isnt a real thing. It's just a way for people to slander men and excuse women.

Not a single usage of that phrase has ever been referred to something only men do. Anyone can be an asshole.

factsd0ntlie · 2019-01-29T14:59:57+00:00

Update us on that thread if he/she replies.

CryingHappyMonkey · 2019-01-29T18:12:59+00:00

If you say "toxic water" it means you have water that is toxic. It looks like water, people think it's water, but it's got something in it that made it poison.

But if I take cyanide and rat shit and call it "toxic vitamins" then it does not make sense! Vitamins are good for you and contain things you body needs. Your body does not need cyanide and rat shit. So calling that pill a 'toxic vitamin" is wrong... it is just a "poison pill".

The stuff people call "toxic masculinity" is not masculinity. Masculinity is a the positive ideal of male behavior.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2019-01-29T19:30:39+00:00

To the person who wrote the original article: do you freak the fuck out and scream bigotry when someone asks you to describe a burger that isn't a cheeseburger?

tenchineuro · 2019-01-29T20:43:55+00:00

You can order a cheeseburger or a hamburger, but you don't use the more generic 'hamburger' to order a cheeseburger. Today all you see is talk of "toxic masculinity'. and many (like the APA) insist that there is no other kind, so what we have above is a distinction without aa difference, and hopefully a side of fries.

Chemicalit · 2019-01-29T16:37:19+00:00

Is it Naïve of me to agree with both the post and the comment? Dont spam downvotes, I am genuinely curious as to why you guys believe that Masculinity can’t be toxic but Feminists can. I know that feminists can be on the more extremist end of the spectrum, obviously we have all seen that, but are there not men who take there masculinity too far (as an extremist) to enforce their beliefs of “dominance as a male” on others? What do you guys think?

PleasantHuman · 2019-01-29T22:18:14+00:00

Lets talk about toxic humanity.

dontpet · 2019-01-30T03:37:45+00:00

I learned through some bitter experience about 20 years so that a significant indicator that someone is in a toxic relationship if that the ratio of praise to criticism is less than three to one.

I extend that to gender relations. If you can't say the good things about men for every bad thing then you have a toxic relationship to men. And you are also the toxic one in the relationship.

orangeLILpumpkin · 2019-01-29T15:10:52+00:00

If you have one cheeseburger that kind of tastes like crap, that doesn't mean all cheeseburgers taste like crap.

If you meet one guy who is a bit of an ass, it doesn't mean that all men are asses.

carmyk · 2019-01-29T15:07:42+00:00

But if you fall on the hard rocks, the adjective is there to emphasize the property of rocks that is most relevant (because it hurt). All rocks are hard.

romulusnr · 2019-01-29T19:26:39+00:00

Hamburger: There is a version of a burger that has ham. Wait, no there isn't.

elebrin · 2019-01-29T20:04:37+00:00

I am willing to buy that there are some aspects of what is often attached to masculinity that are not so great, but I also feel like I'm not much going to like the things they have decided belong to masculinity and are in that category.

Gigaplex1 · 2019-01-29T20:35:39+00:00

Man = A Man

Woman = A Variation of a man? /s

Or better:

Paper = A paper

Toilet paper = Ther is a version of a paper that is toilet. It is not a statemant, that all papers are toilet, but that 1 variation of paper is toilet.

marcooni1 · 2019-01-30T14:21:09+00:00

So what was the answer to your statement?

summonblood · 2019-02-05T03:23:15+00:00

My best counter to this 'version' point is to bring us back to the debates about radical Islam during 2016.

Today, the rhetorical arguments of why men get upset about toxic masculinity follows exactly the same rhetorical arguments of why Muslims got upset when there was a focus on radical Islam. But this time, feminists are using the same rhetoric of the Anti-Muslim side.

Otherwise, why would the Huffington Post feel the need to write this article?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html

His #4 point literally mirrors the male perspective of Toxic masculinity and perhaps we should take a lesson from these rhetorical arguments.

Could you imagine the outcry if the response to this article was, if you have a problem with people talking about Radical Islam, you are part of the problem.

If you want to talk about 'toxic' masculinity, you have to acknowledge that repeating negative stereotypes leads to discrimination.

NotKnownHinson · 2019-01-29T10:42:25+00:00

Nahhhhburger got cheese on it. Burger ain't got no cheese it's just a dry piece of meat on stale bread.

Rocketma_n · 2019-01-30T02:09:58+00:00

You’re both right. You can take anything innocent and add an aspect of toxicity to it; you can take anything too far.

Title	Something had to be done...
Author	HypernervZ
Upvotes	273
Comments	58
Date	January 29, 2019 10:30 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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