60 Minutes Australia story on the gender pay gap, including Jordan Peterson interview | Yes, it's every bit as dishonest as we expected.

EricAllonde · 2018-04-29T12:09:13+00:00

If you watch this segment, notice how they conflate "same pay for the exact same work" with stats showing a gender earnings gap for different work. It's constant bait-and-switch throughout the clip.

A few other things that jumped out:

"Australia's gender pay gap stands at 15.9%". No, that's the gross earnings gap for all men vs all women. It is not a comparison of pay for the same work, instead it's comparing pay for different work. When we look at what men & women are paid for the same job and same job function at the same company, the Australian gap is just 1.4% - which is likely due to women taking more vacation days per year than men, on average. Each extra day of vacation taken creates an earnings gap of about 0.5%.
"Iceland has now legislated to make it mandatory to pay men and women the same for doing the same work". No, you just fell for Iceland's PR stunt. The country already had equal pay laws - they've had them for decades, just the same as Australia, the UK and most other western countries have had equal pay laws for decades.
"The biggest gender pay gaps are in male-dominated fields like finance and real estate". No, those are earnings gaps again. The show deliberately omitted the fact that those are sales-based industries, where people make most of their earnings in the form of sales commissions. They are very meritocratic industries: men and women are paid the same base salaries, but on average men make more sales than women and they earn more commission as a result.

There's more, but I'm fed up. The mainstream media constantly pushes these feminist lies, without any shame at all. Fake news indeed.

The good thing is that people are slowly waking up. There is more and more pushback on this nonsense these days. 60 Minutes isn't taking any chances on being called out - they've disabled comments on the video. I think that's a sign that the media is on the back foot more than ever now.

Lindenforest · 2018-04-29T14:59:02+00:00

It is very telling that they never show the question being ask to Jordan Peterson, but only his response to something that may very well be totally out of the context of the issue they are bringing forth.

fengpi · 2018-04-29T13:16:34+00:00

"But some people... (Creepy music plays)... and perhaps we use the word "people" undeservingly... think that the Wage Gap doesn't real... (Grainy black and white telelense footage of a skeezy-looking person stepping out of a building and into a black car) ...and these people are invariably...... MEN!" (Record scratches. Video freezes and turns blood red and twists into an obtuse angle, its edges growing dark.)

"For instance, here is Jordan Peterson. (Quickly displays a still picture of Rudolf Hess) As you can see, he has a penis. He is a professor of psychology (Quickly displays a 15th century woodcut of Vlad the Impaler) and Youtube celebrity (Quickly displays a picture of bug-eyed Charles Manson with prominent swastika on forehead). He can be seen here at a lecture (Quickly displays a still picture of Osama Bin Laden with a microphone in hand and an AK-47 across his lap) Let us delve into what this sick potential rapist of women and potential murderer of many has to say..."

Wisemanner · 2018-04-29T12:52:06+00:00

I suppose the strategy is: tell a lie often enough. But fewer and fewer people are being fooled. Still, that doesn't stop some companies and universities paying their women employees more to make up for the fictitious underpayment. So, it's paying off in one sense.

Lethn · 2018-04-29T16:44:41+00:00

Of course they disable the comments page to prevent any backlash to their outlandish claims. I was barely three minutes in before the stupid reporter claimed along with the guy from Iceland who interestingly they didn't even name, would appreciate it if somebody could point him out so I know who exactly he is.

It make zero economic sense to fix the gender pay gap, the reason being is because feminists know, they must know that the reason women are being paid less than men is because they either work less hours or are less experienced. Why should women get paid more when they work less hours? It's that fucking simple, I couldn't even make it through the video because I got completely stuck on this point.

This kind of shit is why I always struggle to past tests because I read something or hear something so stupid my brain gets fixated on it because they just claimed it like it's nothing, it makes no fucking economic sense whatsoever. Now, paying women who do actually work the same hours as men, yes, that makes economic sense, because they're going to be outputting the same as men for the company or employer in question and making them profit.

I am so fucking tired of these rich entitled white women making these kinds of bullshit claims about society and economics. I mean for fuck's sake, the first thing they do is show a woman slipping into some high heels and applying makeup as if to make some kind of statement about her. Here's a radical thought, maybe if she spent less time trying to make herself look pretty and work longer she'd get paid more.

ralphswanson · 2018-04-29T18:18:06+00:00

This is the favorite feminist lie. It is very appealing to middle-aged women who didn't develop their careers much, perhaps because they focused on personal development, and now want rewards they have not earned. It also benefits male professors who have secure positions and want their inexperienced wives to earn high wages as they enter the workforce after raising children. However, it is clear that these feminist claims are simply lies. Men earn more as a group because they produce more. Closer examination shows that women as a group are even slightly overpaid. Yet this 'gender wage gap' lie persists.

2018-04-30T00:46:21+00:00

60 minutes? I could tell the story in less than 60 seconds. The gender pay gap doesn't exist, thanks for joining us tonight.

vonthe · 2018-04-29T14:01:13+00:00

I used to watch 60 Minutes (US) pretty regularly, but haven't watched any form of network television in years. 60M(USA) used to be pretty balanced.

Is 60M(AUS) related to the US show in any way?

mrwhibbley · 2018-04-29T14:14:53+00:00

I like how they talk about make "senior leadership roles" as being a reason there is a pay gap. How many positions are there and how big is the difference if they were removed from the equation? Seems like the vast majority of people work in no senior leadership roles. Many of them are paid on an hourly rate based on years on the job. Many are union. Some are performance based such as sales positions. All those positions can be eliminated in the equation because the rate is preset and not gender based. So those few remaining positions must be wildly disproportionate in order to skew the final result 15%.

_Mellex_ · 2018-04-29T19:15:32+00:00

Whenever I tell people organisations and media outlets constantly conflate same work pay with average earnings, and that they are intentionally being misleading, I get laughed at like a Moon Landing Hoaxer. This is just another example to add to the pile.

LabTech41 · 2018-04-30T03:56:15+00:00

I didn't think it was possible to treat Peterson more unfairly than Channel 4 and Cathy Newman, but here we are.

Anyone have a link to the full, unedited version of Peterson's interview?

FatGimp · 2018-04-29T16:30:26+00:00

I agree with you on Wilkinson being denied, but is what they're saying in the news article you posted line up with that?

2018-04-30T08:08:18+00:00

At least social media is taking over TV. And definitely has for young people!! I haven’t watched TV since 2012

Mild111 · 2018-04-30T10:11:53+00:00

Some notes:

They purposefully fail to mention equality laws in the US, Canada, UK, and Australia.... because they want to act like this Iceland law is somehow "revolutionary".... without giving any actual details of how this law is any different than discrimination laws around the world. All so they can play up this "The only place that cares about women is this tiny remote country you'll never even visit" narrative.
Another instance of acting like equality laws don't already exist: having this "Chef" give this anecdotal example of how badly she has been wronged... nevermind that if she had a shred of proof, she could have an easy greasy lemon squeezy lawsuit.
"Why not pay women as much as men, we asked Dr. Peterson"-Cuts to Peterson talking about the dangers of using Equality-Of-Outcome as a measurement. He's commenting on the measurement, not the concept. This is clearly an out of context edit.
"Just because something is difficult is not a reason not to do it"....way to completely water down what Peterson said. While there's no way to tell the context of the conversation Peterson was having, I'd imagine he was actually answering that very question...(based on the earlier clip). I'm sure he mentioned WHY it was difficult, and WHY it being difficult matters. What if your analysis is wrong, and therefore your data is wrong, and therefore your solution is wrong, and therefore you're meddling needlessly in market AND legal forces you don't truly understand? You break what was working fine before, and do so with the tyrranical arm of the law. It's not that it's merely difficult, it's that the risk vs. reward isn't being put in proper context to determine how difficult it is, or why it's difficult. The cause and effect of laws and market forces aren't a simple "We don't like X, so we're just going to pass a law that says 'NO X'" so you risk putting the men, the women, and the companies all worse off than they were.

But hey, Equally impoverished, enslaved, and controlled, is still equality.

NY_working_man · 2018-05-01T12:15:22+00:00

Interviewer: You believe the only reason you have been offered less is because you are a woman?

Barbra Johnson: Why else would I be offered less.

That is not an answer to the question. FAKE NEWS at its best. AND might I add a libelous hit piece on Jordan Peterson.

pontiflexrex · 2018-04-29T16:03:23+00:00

Yes! Everybody lies but us! Numbers can only be interpreted one way and ours is the right one!

Title	60 Minutes Australia story on the gender pay gap, including Jordan Peterson interview \| Yes, it's every bit as dishonest as we expected.
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Date	April 29, 2018 11:54 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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