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Oxford medical student who stabbed her boyfriend and avoided jail due to judge believing "immediate custody would damage her career" fights her suspended sentence.

NibblyPig

December 7, 2017
116 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-42265869
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Title Oxford medical student who stabbed her boyfriend and avoided jail due to judge believing "immediate custody would damage her career" fights her suspended sentence.
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NibblyPig

Upvotes 116
Comments 30
Date December 7, 2017 1:23 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7i6faz/oxford_medical_student_who_stabbed_her_boyfriend/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

She is appealing that she got no jail time?

[–]mikesteane 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The appeals court also has the authority to increase the sentence and that may well happen in this case.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So...she's clearly not as smart as she keeps getting credit for being.

[–]mikesteane 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She's not smart at all. Under no circumstances are her problems going to dissolve. In the best case (for her), if the court of appeals lets her off completely and orders the prosecution to pay her damages because vagina, she will still be a drug-addicted psychopath with no realistic hope of ever holding down a job as a doctor or take on any other serious responsibility. You can take the kid out of the gutter, but you can't take the gutter out of the kid.

[–]Joemanji84 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She is not from the gutter though, her parents are monied. That's how she got out of jail time in the first instance, expensive QC in a bog standard trial.

[–]mikesteane 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They used to say the streets of London are paved with gold. That may not be true, but there are plenty of guttersnipes from wealthy backgrounds.

[–]KDulius 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”

I've met rich people who were worse than chavs and life long blue collar workers who had more nobility than the Queen of the UK

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I read a lot about this case at the time. Other students quoted by news papers convincingly portrayed her as a bullying shit who used her drug dealer to intimidate opponents and destroy evidence. Cocaine often turns people into absolute shits, also with her background of familial abuse she may have a cluster B personality disorder like narcissism or sociopathy.

I imagine some of that evidence did not get presented to the court due to her habit of intimidating witnesses. I got the impression from the judges comments he didn't realise how bad she is.

She might be a fine surgeon if she can get her addiction into remission.
Medical people commenting on this case have noted good surgeons can be awful people, it is not necessarily a disqualifier considering the shortage of good surgeons is only going to get worse as the baby boomers get ancient.

The judge is required to take the effect on her career into consideration when sentencing, and I'd be OK with him doing what it takes to keep her career viable. Also it is often better to give a suspended sentence in order to get control over things like drug rehab, therapy and drug abstinence for a longer period. That is also the idea behind parole half way through the sentence. They talk about rehabilitation in prison but the reality is voters will not allow politicians to spend even a quarter of what is needed. So little can be done in prison except abstinence testing, which is not the same as treating her addiction and its underlying causes.

[–]NibblyPig 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think her criminal record for assaulting and stabbing her boyfriend means that if she resumes her studies, she will face disciplinary action by the university, whereas if it's expunged then she can continue her life as if nothing happened.

[–]mikesteane 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So where are feminists on this issue of campus safety, eh?

[–]Halafax 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They support her. She was “stabbing up” against the patriarchy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

But stabbing up is more dangerous, you know. More likely to get under the ribcage.

[–]BlueOrange22 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Needless to say, reverse the genders and they'd be in jail as we speak. People ask "what's a female privilege", one answer is the ability to literally stab your partner with a deadly weapon and not only escape significant legal consequences, but possibly escape expulsion from school to.

And how articles on these studies trying to frame it as an example of class inequality, no, the difference is gender. A rich man would be a jail for doing this, as anyone should be.

[–]geniice 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Needless to say, reverse the genders and they'd be in jail as we speak.

Not so:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/supermarket-worker-given-suspended-sentence-9834153

[+]icandrive1551 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't read the article on that online ad cancer website, but from the headline it appears the victim was also male? There's your difference. Men can't be victims.

[–]geniice 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't read the article on that online ad cancer website, but from the headline it appears the victim was also male?

Nope "A supermarket employee stabbed his partner in the arm “in a fit of jealousy” because she talked to another man, a court has heard."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like both cases are fairly similar and would count as category 2 here: https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/inflicting-grievous-bodily-harm-unlawful-wounding-raciallyreligiously-aggravated-gbhunlawful-wounding/

Surprising that either of them got off without prison time, depending on how "custody" is interpreted. I guess a suspended sentence can count as custody?

[–]Lethn 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I think I hate this judge most of all in this case, if it were anybody halfway competent she would be in jail immediately but I guarantee her mommy and daddy had something to do with his disturbingly gentle treatment towards her because his 'arguments' for not putting her in jail are just utterly insane.

[–]geniice -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

If you look at the arguments actually given at the sentencing they are the fairly standard stuff that it was at the lighter end of unlawful wounding and there were a fairly complete set of mitigating factors (big one being lack of any previous).

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee you that argument wouldn't be used if she was a man, men get jailed for less than coming at somebody with knife frequently.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read the statute law on that offense. There are starting points given for sentencing, and a list of aggravating and mitigating circumstances which the judge must consider in deciding the final sentence.

There is room for interpretation but the judge must give reasons for any deviations from the standard sentence. From memory there were no aggravating factors and she had all or nearly all mitigating factors in her favour.

I imagine the judge had not seen the anonymous anecdotal evidence published in the papers, so it had not been legally established that she is an absolute cunt who used her dealer to intimidate opponents. That is normal, the judge is only allowed to work with what is presented in court under the laws of evidence.

[–]geniice -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee you that argument wouldn't be used if she was a man,

What? No previous conditions is the absolute standard argument people make if they can. If you want to "guarantee" something about the legal system you should be at least vaguely familiar with it.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That may be how it works in the law generally but if it was a man involved trying to knife a woman in a similar sort of situation or even beat her then the reaction from both the courts and public is blatantly different. There's what's on paper and then there's what's reality, in reality much of what is being done to jail men is illegal but people just go along with it because they don't want confrontation.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That may be how it works in the law generally but if it was a man involved trying to knife a woman in a similar sort of situation or even beat her then the reaction from both the courts and public is blatantly different.

The courts not to much:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/supermarket-worker-given-suspended-sentence-9834153

The newspapers would probably refrain from publishing their nude pics so yes there is that difference.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is I can find far more examples of men getting harsher sentences for the exact same crime while women get off really easily in comparison.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002

Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, downvoted for knowing about the subject under discussion.

[–]Wisemanner 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is she seeking compensation?

[–]geniice 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats not how criminal cases work.

[–]azazelcrowley 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Notably, the BBC coverage omits acknowledging the sentencing gap, let alone omits attributing it to misandry.

Compare/Consider any time any kind of sexism happens to a woman and whether they would pass up the opportunity to crow about sexism and it being evidence of patriarchy.

They THINK it's everywhere and more common than sexism against men, because they only make a big deal about it and only point it out when it's against women. When you start looking for both in earnest, it becomes incredibly fucking obvious men have to deal with more of this shit.

[–]GGJohnGGJohnGG 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is so much bs. Today is fuckeddddd d xd

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