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Judge says woman (33) might or might not be jailed after "having sex with" (AKA raping) a 13-year-old boy

HeForeverBleeds

July 27, 2017
363 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/hull-woman-nicola-fox-33-227590
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Title Judge says woman (33) might or might not be jailed after "having sex with" (AKA raping) a 13-year-old boy
Author

HeForeverBleeds

Upvotes 363
Comments 43
Date July 27, 2017 6:51 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6py3j4/judge_says_woman_33_might_or_might_not_be_jailed/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/judge-says-woman-33-might-or-might-not-be-jailed.917024
https://theredarchive.com/post/917024
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Comments

[–]HeForeverBleeds[S] 60 points61 points62 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

There's no guarantee as to your sentence; I'm making no promises, but it's likely a custodial sentence will follow.

Jail shouldn't even be a question for a grown woman who fucks a 13-year-old child. It sure as Hell never is when it's an adult man and a 13-year-old girl

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Jail shouldn't even be a question for a grown woman ADULT who fucks a 13-year-old child. FTFY

[+]LoicyT -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I think it should be. Some can act or look pretty mature. Plus we should figure out if the adult was coerced.

[–]FiveMagicBeans 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

13 year old children do not look nor act mature, this isn't an issue with a 25yo fucking a 16 year old that lied about their age.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ariel Winter had decent tits at 13. From http://www.thelist.com/32397/stunning-transformation-ariel-winter/ see http://img4.thelist.com/img/gallery/the-stunning-transformation-of-ariel-winter/taking-on-the-teen-years-with-class-1481301428.jpg

There are certainly 16 year olds who look like that too.

[–]FiveMagicBeans 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

At 13 she might have passed for 14, but she certainly couldn't have passed for 16 or older.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure she could. There are 16 yearolds who look like that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Plus we should figure out if the adult was coerced.

That is pretty much rape.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree if a teen girl forces a man to fuck her she has raped him and she should be punished.

[–]splodgenessabounds 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some can act or look pretty mature.

To a 30-something year-old? I think not.

we should figure out if the adult was coerced

I wasn't there at the trial, but I would wager that that hypothesis was explored in some depth.

[–]LoicyT -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mature as in "she couldnbe age of consent" not "she could be my age"

[–]kaliwraith 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This comment seems to reflect what we see in news articles on the subject.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish that were so but such reflection seems rare. More often I see non neutral reporting.

[–]checkontharep 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its apples and oranges.. Our society is fucked

[–]Mode1961 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is it apples and oranges, why is it so different when a man fucks a teen girl and a woman fucks a teen boy, hell screw that , what is so different when a woman fucks a teen girl.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It should be a question. The lack of question for the latter is the real problem.

[–]Proteus_Marius 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Hull Crown Court is in dire need of an external supervisory review.

The people of Hull are certainly less safe when their courts will not protect all children vigorously and equally.

[–]UDT22 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If that were a 33 year old man and 13 year old girl, they'd throw the key away

[–]furchfur 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are rarely jailed, Remember this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3295537/Attorney-General-review-sentence-babysitter-Jade-Hatt-21-sex-11-year-old-boy-spared-jail.html

[–]shill_account47 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As usual, just switch the sexes of either party

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

http://www.kcci.com/article/big-change-in-iowa-law-when-teens-turn-16-years-old-1/6906757

You may be surprised to learn it would not have been a crime for him to have sex with the girl, but it was a crime to send her nude photos.

Officials with the Iowa Attorney General's Office, which is not involved in the case, explained that under Iowa law if a potential victim is 16 or older, there's no possible abuse charge under the code section as it is written now.

Beth Barnhill with the Iowa Coalition Against Sexual Assault said Iowa law needs keep up with technology.

"If you're 14 or 15 years old, it's illegal for someone four or more years older to have sex with you even if you consent. However, one you become 16 not of that applies," said Barnhill.

While 16 is the age of consent, it is a crime to text nude photos to anyone age 18 or under, which officials said is an inconsistency in the law.

SUSPICIOUS CHAT AT MCDONALDS:

A man is facing charges of dissemination of obscene material to a minor after a citizen reported a suspicious conversation between an adult male and a teen girl at a McDonald’s.

Officers found 29-year-old Jonathan Lee Yates, of Virginia, in a vehicle with a 16-year-old girl at the 401 South Ankeny Boulevard location around 5:45 p.m. Tuesday.

KCCI got a chance to speak with Yates after he bonded out of the Polk County Jail. He told KCCI’s Laura Nichols that he doesn’t think he did anything wrong.

Yates said he sent a few photos to the girl “two or three maybe.”

He said he met the girl online five months ago on a site called Chat Hour and drove 15 hours from Virginia to Iowa to meet her in person for the first time Tuesday. Yates told KCCI he knew the girl was 16 before he sent the photos and drove to meet her.

“I love this girl tremendously. She loves me,” Yates told KCCI. “We are planning to be together when she turns 18 years of age.”

Yates said he doesn’t consider himself a pervert.

Yates said there is a no contact order against him. He also said he still doesn't think what he did is wrong.

“So do you think what you did is a crime?” Nichols asked.

“In my opinion, no,” Yates said. "I just think it's messed up how you can get in trouble over sending a picture."

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What was it a picture of? He is charged with obscenity but that is pretty vague. Was it a nude?

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The story said it was nude pictures.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Quote plz.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it is a crime to text nude photos to anyone age 18 or under, which officials said is an inconsistency in the law.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right so they imply it but still dont actually state he did it.

[–]one7rainbow 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...nice

[–]Random_Name_Dave 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think that we should have equality. However, as someone who did not have parents in his early teens, my relationship with a woman in her mid 30s was very healthy for me. I am not familiar with the literature on this type of thing, but I am 38 now and am very grateful for that relationship. I don't have the answer, but I am confident it requires way more complexity than comparing peoples ages.

[–]splodgenessabounds 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am confident it requires way more complexity than comparing peoples ages.

I'm certain there is a lot more to this than mere arithmetic. I'm also confident that the trial investigated much of that complexity.

[–]foxyramirez 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The number one constant of these sorts of articles is the fact that it's coming out of the UK.

[–]Atheist101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is it always UK with the worst pussy pass offenders?

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are no claims that any rape (other than by expanded definition) occurred here. In fact, the article is devoid of nearly any information about the accusation at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

so they are not plastering her face but the face of a bald white guy.

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/d2p0E

[–]LoicyT -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Great another one of those "men fucking teen girls is regularly mislabeled rape so let's mislabel women fucking teen boys as rape too, so as to punish completely different women than the ones at fault for the original problem" threads.

[–]KalebMW99 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No 33 year old person should be fucking a 13 year old. I think it's safe to say that's rape

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not safe at all. Unlawful sex with both parties agreeing isn't rape.

[–]KalebMW99 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A think age is a valid barrier. I mean, you can probably get a 6 year old to touch your dick if you offer them candy or money or something. They don't know what they're doing. Age is used as a restriction to keep anyone who doesn't know what they're doing, or doesn't know the gravity of what they're doing, from having sex with someone who would take advantage of that.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Should just do a hard test like driver license. 6 year olds can't even write.

[–]KalebMW99 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A hard test actually isn't a bad idea. Though it would probably be best to make it mandatory, such that parents cannot refuse to let their kids take it. Likewise, at 18 they should be exempt from needing to pass.

[–]LoicyT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about exempt at 30? A lot of people are acting stupid. Isn't just teens getting STDs or babies they cannot feed.

[–]splodgenessabounds 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Great another one of those "men fucking teen girls is regularly mislabeled rape..."

Where, exactly? Please point to the arseholes who say/ have said this on this sub so that I can abuse 17 types of shit out of them, and then get the mods to ban these smears from Satan's anal sphincter from reddit forever.

[–]LoicyT -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No time to dig today.

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