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Increasingly Nervous Women Push for Faux "Sex Robot Rights" Agenda

burtcoins

July 13, 2017
49 upvotes
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https://redice.tv/news/sex-robot-shock-increasing-sophistication-of-ai-will-cause-massive-issues-experts-warn
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Title Increasingly Nervous Women Push for Faux "Sex Robot Rights" Agenda
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burtcoins

Upvotes 49
Comments 46
Date July 13, 2017 10:41 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6n54me/increasingly_nervous_women_push_for_faux_sex/
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Comments

[–]Samantha_Cruz 38 points39 points40 points 9 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

I've seen multiple articles lately pushing for rules about these 'sex bots'; women buy sex toys too but these articles don't seem to be very concerned about the "rights" of vibrators. - We are still quite a ways from having sentient robots; I suspect the poorly hidden agenda is that they are opposed to men having options that don't give women power. - if more men turn to sex bots for sexual gratification these women fear that they will have less ability to exploit men for their financial gratification. I think this also has a lot to do with their opposition to prostitution, strip clubs, pornography and their efforts to raise the age of consent to ridiculously high levels. Shrinking the options for men increases their power.

[–]burtcoins[S] 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Women have been feigning concern for the "rights" of prostitutes for ages. The wealthy white women don't seem to be concerned about their welfare otherwise though.

[–]Samantha_Cruz 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

personally i am concerned about the rights of prostitutes.. they should absolutely have the right to be prostitutes if that is their choice; prostitution should be legal; legalized prostitution would be safer for the customer and the providers. Feminism (and religious conservative zealots) have actively made prostitution MORE dangerous for both by keeping it illegal. keeping prostitution illegal also makes it more likely that children and 'human trafficking victims' will be part of the trade; if it were legalized then it would be provided in safer environments by legitimate businesses that won't want to hire providers that are going to get them shut down;

[–]bikemaul 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You should listen to this conversation with a sex positive prostitute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLL-zxA_99j7QDfrxgllTvMs4zm7khGlZl&v=rigZkq-IuIU

[–]RiimoH 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TL:DL?

[–]bikemaul 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex workers can freely decide to be sex workers and can navigate the job in a positive way. The state makes things worse with prohibition. Society is weird and amazing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the way it's done in Germany and afaik it has exactly the effect you mentioned.

[–]RebelYell81 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly though this is an issue with religious zealots. Feminists are all about the sex workers rights shit.

[–]andejoh 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually a dildo or vibrator is worse because men are reduced to their genitalia. They should be banned. Sex robots simulate women as complex beings. The problem is that women are depicted as objects. Bo the problem is that women are depicted as complex, sentient, beings with desires and emotions. No the real problem is trying to control men's sexuality.

[–]burtcoins[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you got it.

[–]n_surf 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I (have to) hope that their point isn't what you're describing, and that they just don't want dolls of any gender being used as objects or suffering from perverted fantasies, and those could be projected on real females or generate expectations that women want what is done to robots.

It's 90% stupid because those are inanimate, 10% fear of men finding pleasure without women.

I mean vibrators take the idea that men are just cocks to pleasure women and that they are always there to please them. Same deal.

[–]Ted8367 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"Humans having sex with other humans who are unable to consent to sex, like children and adults lacking decision-making capacity, is seen as unlawful and unethical. So is human/animal sex. Such groups are recognised as sentient beings who cannot consent to sex with interests in need of protection.

Yep, bestiality is illegal, because dumb beasts can't consent. However, we kill dumb beasts all the time, to eat them, and I'm pretty sure they don't consent to that either. So, there is something wrong with the consent argument. The real situation, which this robot stuff has highlighted, is that women are afraid of the sexual competition from cows.

[–]burtcoins[S] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

exactly. Look at that sex doll. Could that even compete with the average 40 year old woman? not even close considering all the negatives women bring and at 40 don't even offer the prospect of children.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The sex dolls don't age LOL.

They don't require feeding.

They don't get drunk.

They don't spend all your money.

On and on.

[–]burtcoins[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

dont refuse sex

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh ya, I forgot that is what they are for. LOL.

I just wanted a civilized woman with manners in my home.

[–]Funcuz 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What is it with feminists and sex robots? They obviously have no problem with dildos and various other sex toys. I'm sure some of those toys are battery operated. What hypocrisy.

[–]mrmensplights 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a power play. Sexuality is part of a women's power. Sex robots diminish that power and so they are campaigned against. Same with prostitution. Hell, even flesh lights (makes you a loser) and male masturbation (seen as juvenile) are demonized to the lesser extent that they also diminish that power.

From any other perspective you can't justify campaigning against these things. It seems obvious to everyone that everyone would be better off if prostitution were legal. The sex workers would have protection of employment law. The customers the protection of regulations and benefit of the market. Oh wait, I guess some of the shitty pimps who groom, recruit, and extort the sex workers under them might stand to lose. My bad.

The robots are just a sex toy. What possibly justification could you make against it? What explanation fits except the power play explanation for not wanting men to use a sex toy in the privacy of their own home? Some deeply ideologically motivated fear mongering about how it will increase male aggression? It'll destroy the american family like the futurama clip? Far fetched.

If a woman truly believes male sexuality is a burden and a curse upon them, has oppressed them, has marginalised them... then embrace sex robots with open arms; for all that terrible male sexual energy will be diverted elsewhere! .... or is that what they actually fear?

EDIT: DON'T DATE ROBOTS!

[–]burtcoins[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

pretty obvious, read the other comments

[–]Ted8367 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A recent report, called ‘Our Sexual Future with Robots’ by the Foundation for Responsible Robotics, looked at a variety of issues the advancement sex robots will bring – one of which was the possibility of these sex robots being raped, or being programmed to simulate disturbing rape fantasies.

LOL. The leaders in morals reach for their usual lies. This new perspective just highlights their methods.

The report stated: “On the one hand, if a sex robot is designed to resist sexual advances such that their use constitutes a simulated act of rape, then building them puts the user in relationship with the act of raping a woman.

OK then, design them not to resist sexual advances. You could even make an Affirmative Consent model.

On the other hand, building a robot that is passive or elicits sex is ethically problematic for what it communicates to the broader public about women’s sexuality.”

Predictable. Everything is rape, right? But the AC model consents all the time, so errr...

This reminds me of those science fiction stories where the robots get a mind of their own and revolt. Nope; only if they are designed that way. It ruins the story. These robot moralists should concern themselves with the actual danger of autonomous military machines, which are being designed, right now, to kill.

[–]RapeMatters 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The important part is that they've found a way to be offended no matter how you program the robot.

[–]fengpi 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

What about rights for motorized silicone dildos and vibrating orgasmo-saddles?

Human rights for all sexual modalities!

Women need to get explicit consent from the buzzing phallus first! No means no and the phallus will be programmed to say "no" unless you buy it several dinners and a fur coat!

[–]burtcoins[S] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A sex bot for a woman is an ATM machine

[–]goodbeertimes 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am stealing this!

[–]cymrich 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

and a diamond cock ring

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"But a diamond like that would make everybody say 'wow, what a generous person her boyfriend is! He really takes good care of her! She's so lucky to have him!' So, really, this diamond ring will make you look good."

--My ex girlfriend, explaining to me why I should buy her a bigger diamond ring. And she said it with a straight face. It would've been all about me, really.

[–]cymrich 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol... sadly she isn't completely wrong despite the obvious ulterior motive. people really would judge you like that...

[–]cymrich 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

gotta love how they make it all about white men... cause only white men can be rich... fucking racist sexist cunts.

also... seems pretty counterproductive... they want to get rid of white men... well, if white men are busy fucking robots and not real women then eventually there will be fewer of them...

[–]burtcoins[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that's right. Feminism required Entitled(White) Women in order to survive. Desperate practical women don't make such demands on men. Do you ever see working class feminists? A working class feminist is a prostitute.

[–]bikemaul 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[Prof Mackenzie] said: "Sex, law and ethics will never be the same. Sooner than we think, technologists will create sentient, self-aware sex robots, capable of emotional/sexual intimacy.”

How soon do we think we will be able to create self aware computers / robots?

And so what if it seems that they are aware? We can program them to "enjoy" anything too.

To me it seems very dubious that these gender studies academics are pushing for the human rights of computer algorithms.

I think the big helpless gynoid eyes triggers the exploitation centers of their "brains". That or they believe the sexual gratification of men is inherently icky.

[–]burtcoins[S] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just think they want to maintain market demand for sex pleasure.

[–]GreyTortoise 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Nullify the sexual economy, people start getting into relationships on a basis of serious romance. Sounds like a win-win when men are dealing with women who use them as utilities and women are dealing with men who use them as...sex robots. Give those assholes a sex robot, you won't be treated as a sex robot.

[–]burtcoins[S] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

problem is(for women) that women get nothing out of this deal

[–]notacrackheadofficer 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They can have robot babies and monopoly money they can pretend is child support.

[–]burtcoins[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you pay for robo-child support in bitcoins

[–]Sh1r0_Vx 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I doubt the ones complaining would even give majority of the ones buying this product the time of day. So why do they complain?

[–]crazypants88 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gatekeeping sex from men is a source of power in society. Whether women realize this or not they tend to oppose the sexual liberation of men.

[–]burtcoins[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

because more bidders = higher price, they want to maintain the illusion of scarcity

[–]CrustythePrawn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This issue's heating up - more background at http://www.fighting4fair.com/uncategorized/feminists-and-fembots-this-one-will-be-a-real-game-changer/

[–]VoxVirilis 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure Futurama was making fun of the sex-robot moral panic. Guess that was lost on the author.

[–]iamaccounttwo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is nobody going to mention the thumbnail? They blacked out her vagina but not her breasts.

[–]FubukiAmagi 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's fun watching feminists squirm when pro-sexbot people use their own arguments against them. They want to protest, but they can't deny their own arguments and risk undermining their hate movement.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Men will stop competing for high quality mates"? Yeah right. The same people who watch porn and who aren't very successfully are going to the be the same people who delight on sex robots.

The status quo will continue. I don't expect a massive change in society. In fact the impact is probably going to be even less than porn because porn is cheaper (free) than something I expect to cost the same as a sports car for decades

It is not going to the the apocalypse

[–]RapeMatters 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dunno, if they program it to cook, do dishes, vacuum, and mow the lawn, I'm totally in, and I'm married.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Will you get a sex robot that looks like your wife to creep her out?

[–]RapeMatters 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be kind of strange.

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