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Why are TV baddies always weird white men?

JohnKimble111

January 12, 2017
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Title Why are TV baddies always weird white men?
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JohnKimble111

Upvotes 54
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Date January 12, 2017 12:10 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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[–]Settlers6 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

When I saw this, I immediately thought of Uncharted 4. SPOILERS follow, you are warned. You start off with 2 villains, a rich white guy (Rafe) and a black, strong, independent woman (Nadine). Seriously, she is the leader of a mercenary band and highly skilled in martial arts and kicks the asses of our main character(s) several times. Whereas Rafe is your regular rich, white douchebag with no real skills or nuance.

Nothing wrong so far, but around the end, Nadine is shown to be a 'sympathetic villain' that is beaten and forced by Rafe to do his bidding when she wants to make the right decision, while Rafe is a douchebag character with no redeeming qualities. So to reiterate, Rafe is a one-note douchebag with hardly any nuance to his character, Nadine is a strong woman that has good reasons for doing what she does. At the end, Nadine betrays Rafe to solidify her role as 'sorta good villain'. 'women can't ever be truly bad, it's just their environment that makes them bad. Oh, but white males can be.'

Now, this message might have been coincidental, but you see these types of stories so much nowadays, that some of them are undoubtedly influenced by SJWs. And it gets tiring. We get it, women, especially black women are nuanced people that are morally superior to males (usually white) in similar roles. But wouldn't it have been much more surprising if the black woman turned out to be the real douchebag, moustache-twirling villain? For once? Because this outcome was really predictable and 'safe'.

[–]SchalaZeal01 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

At least in Kingdom Hearts, Maleficent and Ursula are shown to be definitely-evil, with no valid excuse for how they turned that way.

Maleficent is green, and Ursula is blue. They are both wearing way too much make-up, so much that it contributes to the uglyness.

[–]myrpou 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering they're based on characters from films from the late 50s and 80s which are at the same time based on stories from the late 17th century respectively the 19th century, it makes more sense.

[–]Cyborg_Genos 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Square Enix games are very masculinist, I'd say. I'm waiting for KH 2.8.

[–]gchase723 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Kingdom Hearts also has Aqua. God, I can't wait for 2.8

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Out in Japan today, out in the US in 12 days.

[–]gchase723 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And my god, is it hard resisting spoilers.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm still busy with World of Final Fantasy and FF15. I take my time on both, playing only 1-2 hours a night, unless its a raid night in DFO.

[–]gchase723 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I finished ffxv but I've been playing Titanfall 2 so I've got something to do at least.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm at chapter 8 with 58 hours in FF15, and now will switch to WoFF for a bit until the carnival thing is ingame of FF15. Then back to WoFF until the next season pass DLC I guess. I should be done with WoFF at some point, then start KH 2.8 HD.

I started WoFF when I got it and played until FF15 was out. So I'm not just starting it. I wanted the Sora champion DLC (won't buy the 30$ worth of new pokemons though).

[–]Cyborg_Genos 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Naughty Dog is really bad in this regard, you shouldn't support them.

[–]mwobuddy 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Because if they were attractive men, that'd be problematic. If they were minority men, that'd be problematic.

Culturally, we define goodness and badness in physical attractiveness. Its called Halo V Horn effect, and women get it in pussy pass a lot (the more attractive, the better they can avoid punishment or critical judgement), but men also get it if they're attractive.

Physical attraction has a lot to do with rating a person's intent and morals. A highly attractive male of any color is a "good guy" by automatic, which is why women lower their guard for them so easily (think Jeffrey Dalmer, among other attractive male serial killers that very capably lured tons of women of all ages).

Ugliness is next to sinfulness for males.

[–]SchalaZeal01 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Because if they were attractive men, that'd be problematic.

Because beauty equals goodness

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeautyEqualsGoodness

And viewers are morons

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ViewersAreMorons

And that leads to executive meddling

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExecutiveMeddling

And here we have color coded for your convenience

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ColourCodedForYourConvenience

Basically, being attractive makes the public more likely to sympathize with you, thus root for you. The people financing the thing (movie, TV, game) think the viewers are too stupid to know which to root for without clear cues. So they force the issue (meddling) and color code everything.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Its not that they think it, its that they know it. Humans ARE stupid. They are often led around by their dicks or clits, gender depending.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Most viewers are not Homer Simpsons level of stupid and unable to understand stuff without people spelling it out for them. They can understand Mega Mind that the 'evil guy' is not really evil. For example.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're talking about a cartoon.

In the real world the pussy pass exists for a reason, and more attractives males can get far more evil shit done in life because their looks give them a pass as well. If you've ever looked at male teachers arrested for statutory rape, can you find a single one that looks like the hunchback of Notre Dame?

[–]SchalaZeal01 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you've ever looked at male teachers arrested for statutory rape, can you find a single one that looks like the hunchback of Notre Dame?

Because in real life, you're either a 10 or a 0. The vast majority of people who are more around 5-8 don't exist. Right?

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Basically. In fact, I think there was some OKcupid graph floating around which showed women consistently rate men who are average in looks as below average. e.g. 80% of men are ugly, the rest are attractive.

Knowing how bell curves work, that's simply not possible, but its perception and not reality.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay so you're agreeing that there's a ton of hunchbacks and supermodels, and the rest don't exist? I don't. And it never was in the context of dating.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the minds of people, yes.

[–]cranktheguy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

4 links to tvtropes.org? Dude, you might be the villain. You could kill thousands of productive man-hours with this single post.

[+]RunsInJeans points 9 years ago [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link

Star Wars Rogue One is a great example. The protagonists looked like a fucking add for Benetton.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03481/benetton-races_3481677b.jpg

Whereas the bad guys were exclusively "stale, pale white males" . Fuck Disney.

[–]Saerain 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

(Author's note)

[–]myrpou 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Why? that seems incredibly forced. It doesn't make sense in such a developed universe where many different races and species have proven to be great in different ways alongside with even droids and the sith has a long history of sith lords of different species.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely.

That Chris Weith took the Empire to mean White Supremacist shows he can't get his head out of 20th century nationalism and racism, even though the Star Wars universe is an entire galaxy of humans of every type, aliens of every type, and the whole mess works right alongside each other.

Its structure (authoritarian) and methods (centralized control) are arguably shared by any movement looking to take over a larger collective, but the motives were nothing at all alike. Where was there any mention of race, in any capacity, in the movies as the motive for the Empire? It's completely ideological (Sith vs. Jedi) and political, not racial.

[–]Call_Me_Clark 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a hokey (but interesting) fan theory here: www.maxgladstone.com/2013/10/star-wars-a-long-time-ago-in-a-hive-far-far-away/ that asserts that all the characters in star wars are actually human actors playing characters who are hive insects.

[–]Murbah 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Empire is actually really anti-alien though haha I guess that might have been thrown out with legends though I'm not sure..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But The Empire IS human supremacist, maybe not white, but they're definitely anti-nonhumans.

[–]myrpou 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok explain how.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you seen any non-humans(any non-whites even) in the Empire?
At all?
They go out of their way to show the alien diversity in every other scene(Rebels, cantinas, etc) but in every Empire scene it's white men.
People want to sympathize with the Empire, but they fail to realize the Empire is supposed to be Evil. They're supposed to be ruthless, uncaring, completely devoid of mercy.

[–]myrpou 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you seen any non-humans(any non-whites even) in the Empire? At all? They go out of their way to show the alien diversity in every other scene(Rebels, cantinas, etc) but in every Empire scene it's white men.

Unlike the rebels.

This point is very bad anyway, it's like looking at the lead of a big company, seeing only white people and assuming they're racist.

If you include the whole Star Wars saga (not just the movies) there have been a lot of non-human imperial leaders and they also eventually produce non-human stormtroopers.

People want to sympathize with the Empire, but they fail to realize the Empire is supposed to be Evil. They're supposed to be ruthless, uncaring, completely devoid of mercy.

Completely irrelevant.

[–]runner557 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's all of Hollywood. The entire film and entertainment industry has been taken over by social justice warriors who look to push an agenda. A lot of celebs don't even agree with this agenda, but they have to play along to get roles.

That's why SJWs are absolutely FURIOUS over the results of the election. Hillary Clinton was supposed to win with this new coalition of women and non-whites. This election was to prove that Democrats and liberals do not need white men anymore. The fact they lost mainly because of whites is what's literally driving them insane.

[–]imthewiseguy 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The patriarchy!

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What can you expect from writers who tried to draw parallels between the rebel heroine and Hillary Clinton?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A good bad guy needs to exhude confidence, competence and determination.

That means it can only be played by a white man, duh.

[–]BobMcGeorge 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or the Force Awakens. Every villain was a white guy (except Phasma who has literally no importance in the film in any sense), and the only Stormtrooper who turns good is a black guy.

[–]Alakazam 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about the rest of the article, but for the most recent Sherlock episode itself, the big bad was literally based on Jimmy Savile, who was a serial child molester instead of a serial killer. The episode before that was a british woman.

[–]rg57 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it's socially approved (not just acceptable) to hate white men. By definition, we're all weird.

[–]DerangedGinger 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Darth Vader, one of my favorite villains, is a white guy in black armor voiced by a black man.

[–]myrpou 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The character is fully white though.

[–]cymrich 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

really? given the ending of that same episode of Sherlock that this is trying to use as an example, I would say it kinda disproves the title! even saying that much is giving spoilers some people may not appreciate so that's all I'll say for now.

[–]IronJohnMRA 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are TV baddies always weird white men?

They are the only minority group that remains unprotected. No one will complain, protest, boycott, shame, sue or utter a peep in their defense. In other words, it's a safe target.

[–]belil569 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe because we are a majority of the actors out there?

[–]FultonPig 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archived, but there's still a paywall.

[–]NOChiRo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Kingsman did this great. Hoping they'll keep it up for the sequel.

[–]Cyborg_Genos 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing, the final fight was against, gasp a woman! Loved Samuel L Jackson's character, though.

[–]zfighter18 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kingsman was so wonderful. Even though Valentine was kind of weird, he felt like a legitimate villain and I could be scared of that guy in real life.

Gazelle was honestly a scary chick. I wouldn't feel safe fighting her

[–]Captain_Yid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like extra acting opportunities. Let them have their fantasy. I'll take the reality of making bank.

[–]Tmomp 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Has anybody else noticed how sexist and racist most TV crime dramas are?

Yes.

Why is no one working for diversity and equal representation?

[–]Archibald_Andino 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason they are all white men is ironically a compliment. It means producers know we can handle it like adults. It means we can portray a wide range of characters of every background. When feminists and SJWs hold a gun to their heads and demand only positive portrayals, it is a patronising insult.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, the wicked witch in Emerald City was a black woman.

[–]Santaball 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most protagonist and antagonists in movies are white guys. What do you expect?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you guys seriously getting triggered over games? You're the same as SJW's.

[–]zfighter18 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, I feel like Idris Elba was born to play villains. He looks like a younger version of my dad

[–]mysecondattempt -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow um, there not? there are tons of movies where the white dude it not a bad guy. Also as a white a dude, who fucking cares? If the actor is good a playing a creepy bad dude, and so happens to be white, than so be it. Jesus this sub is fully of whiny dudes.

[–]majortom22 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're half right. But you can't deny the validity of the undercurrent they're talking about.

Think Rogue One's writers: The resistance is a group of "brave multicultural women" fighting against a "white supremacist organization".

If you think that mentality is their's alone, you're mistaken. If you don't see how said mentality permeates the majority of our pop culture and media, you're either: lying to yourself or to us, or just not paying enough attention.

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