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CUNY Prof Accused of Sexual Harassment Because His Syllabus Says Effort Is 10% of Grade

DaneWhitman

October 13, 2016
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http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/13/cuny-prof-accused-of-sexual-harassment-b
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Title CUNY Prof Accused of Sexual Harassment Because His Syllabus Says Effort Is 10% of Grade
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DaneWhitman

Upvotes 36
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Date October 13, 2016 3:17 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]BDMR_lurker 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

there was no record of anyone actually complaining about the syllabus. The university had apparently launched this investigation on its own.

Some bitter cunt at the Title IX office has decided to take over the univeristy.

"all constitutionally protected speech is welcome." But the director eventually conceded this was fine.

Wow. The director eventually bowed down to the bloody Constitution. Is he aware the Constitution is not optional. It's like, law, even. Kid you not.

triangles. Seidemann has a habit of using them instead of quotation marks "when referring to foolish PC terms,"

OK, thinkcrime there. Off with his head.

"I got zero information from the college administration about the complaint, investigation, and findings," he said. "CUNY is a First Amendment and due process free zone."

We call them "safe spaces".

[–]mwobuddy 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wow. The director eventually bowed down to the bloody Constitution. Is he aware the Constitution is not optional. It's like, law, even. Kid you not.

Constitution only applies to government funded or run areas.

Any private institution of education or lap dances does not have to abide by freedom of speech.

I'm assuming that private institutions are doing it and public ones are trying to follow suit hoping people won't fight back.

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair point.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

CUNY is run by the City of New York.

[–]Lord_of_Skulls 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

CUNY is a public institution. It's funded by the state and a sister set of universities to SUNY.

[–]whelponry 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. The director finally bowed down to the bloody Constitution. Is he aware the Constitution is not optional. It's like, law, even. Kid you not.

True enough, but remember that the people behind all of these SJW rabblerousers and their insane policies are the same ones that want to cement state control of every aspect of a person's life. They will reinterpret the constitution as they see fit, equal protection and due process be damned. Make the process so difficult and time consuming to navigate that you obtain compliance because of the personal cost in time and money from defending this nonsense. All a slow slide into 1984-style information and opinion control as you suggest. Doubleplusungood in the extreme.

[–]ThirdTurnip -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some bitter cunt at the Title IX office has decided to take over the univeristy.

Well not necessarily. Complaints can't only come from students. Academics and admin staff are able to identify what they see as problems and try to get them fixed before they become a problem. That's entirely normal.

And honestly, I find the section in question extremely suspicious myself.

"Class deportment, effort etc……. 10% (applied only to select students when appropriate)."

What the hell is he teaching? Where deportment and unspecified effort could earn some students extra marks. Assessment is supposed to be a clear and unbiased representation of a student's learning. This doesn't sound like that at all. And yes on the face of it it does sound potentially creepy.

The bigger issue was triangles. Yes, triangles. Seidemann has a habit of using them instead of quotation marks "when referring to foolish PC terms," he wrote.

Hello. Nazis. Pink triangles for gays. Again I don't know the full context so perhaps he's not using them in an offensive fashion. But it's a little bit concerning.

"I got zero information from the college administration about the complaint, investigation, and findings," he said. "CUNY is a First Amendment and due process free zone."

Yeah the good old university kangaroo court is a problem. It's definitely a problem when these issues can't be dealt with an open and transparent manner.

[–]DoItLive247 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The professor refused to meet with the Director of Diversity Investigations, preferring to talk via email so that the conversation could be documented. This eventually caused the director to abandon the investigation: the matter is now officially closed, according to Seidemann.

Smart move.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This should be SOP for dealing with such people.

[–]aokusman 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good man. Guys this is how you do things. He was wise to correspond by email only to have everything documented. Emails don't lie.

[–]ThirdTurnip 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. And if someone insists on talking about it, insist on recording it.

[–]HotDealsInTexas 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, my first thought on the "effort" grade was that it's almost totally subjective, and therefore a perfect way for a professor to knock a full letter grade off a student for, say, expressing unpopular opinions in in-class discussion.

But sexual favors? What?

[–]Treeclimber3 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am so glad I'm done with college. I graduated at the perfect time, right on the cusp of when all this shit became so wide-spread.

I know the article was missing information because the uni wasn't forthcoming with information during the witch hunt investigation, so if there's anyone here who can explain the triangles, I'd appreciate it.

[–]monty93 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm agree with there is not a fully objective way to measure effort, but sexual harassment? really?

[–]dude-meister 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not so sure about this one. Does anyone else think it is strange that a geology professor is putting in his syllabus things about "PC culture" and "safe spaces?" I would expect this in the humanities, but not in geology class.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Mark for effort? This has always been idiotic, wherever and however applied.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As a former professor, I disagree. Students who come prepared to every class and participate in the discussion deserve a higher grade than those that dont do the homework and show up drunk/stoned and refuse to participate in the discussion

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Your position is immoral. The purpose of the classes is to train students who should be qualified on the basis of what they know, not how they learnt it. Quite honestly, (for some courses), the need to attend classes to learn material which is available just by reading the course books indicates a lack of ability, and should not result in said students getting a higher grade than students who can learn the material without attending classes.

The only fair way for qualifications to be assessed is by assessors who do not know the students. The current system allows for all kinds of bias to take place, and it is not unknown for female students to use their charm to grades to which they should not be entitled.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is not simply about reading the material. It is about bring able to discus it in class and participate an exchange of ideas. Iagree with you as far as blind grading papers or finals. That is why participation grade is limited to 10%

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It is about bring able to discus it in class and participate an exchange of ideas.

This is just a means of further centralising power in the hands of those who already have a conflict of interest by awarding degrees and selling the training (which always is bundled with the right to be assessed). It is immoral, unethical and wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They will get him on something else. He is now on their undesireables list.

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