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Girls in California are latest to seek to become Boy Scouts

casusbelli1

November 22, 2015
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Title Girls in California are latest to seek to become Boy Scouts
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casusbelli1

Upvotes 43
Comments 51
Date November 22, 2015 6:48 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[–]pnw_diver 56 points57 points58 points 10 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Can't the Girl Scouts arrange a camping trip?

Why does every space reserved for boys and men have to be taken over by feminism and turned into a mechanism for demonstrating female supremacy?

Can there be no space in society where men and boys are together? It's as if the goal of feminism is to insure that men and boys are fractured as a group, that females are prioritized in every quarter of society, at every moment in our lives. It's as if the feminist agenda is to very deliberately destroy every interaction between men and boys that helps boys grow up to be strong and successful, and to replace those interactions with the total prioritization of females no matter what.

I repeat: Can't the Girl Scouts arrange a camping trip? And don't the women who lead in the Girl Scouts think of the Girl Scouts as a space where women and girls can be together? Why is such a space suddenly invalid the moment it is provided to boys and men?

[–]xNOM 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I repeat: Can't the Girl Scouts arrange a camping trip?

That would require agency. Much easier to just take what other people already have.

I'm sure there's a "grass huts" joke in here somewhere as well, but I'm too tired :-)

[–]RagingNerdaholic 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's tough to break though the grass ceiling.

[–]Pantsyr 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Especially when the campfire keeps burning the hut down.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What makes you think Girl Scouts can build a hut?

[–]Pantsyr 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I'm fairly sure an obliging white knight would build them one.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Can't the Girl Scouts arrange a camping trip?

Yes, actually. The Girl Scouts actually have far more breadth of activities. Its the individual troops- chapters, or whatever they call their informal communities- that decide what is actually done. Some really are just window dressing to become stereotypical women. Activities include selling cookies and shopping.

Other are actually outdoors oriented- which the girl scout leadership asked in the article confirmed.

Can there be no space in society where men and boys are together? It's as if the goal of feminism is to insure that men and boys are fractured as a group, that females are prioritized in every quarter of society, at every moment in our lives. It's as if the feminist agenda is to very deliberately destroy every interaction between men and boys that helps boys grow up to be strong and successful, and to replace those interactions with the total prioritization of females no matter what.

I can't tell whether it's political show boating or an issue of place and circumstance. You can just live in an area in the US- yes even California- where there's two scout chapters; one for boy scouts, one for girl scouts. If the girl scout chapter sucked, you'd be SOL. But then the issue would be, "So why not form your own?" or "Did you really need the approval of an organization to do what you like?"

You can buy the boyscout handbook. You can buy the merit badge guides. There is nothing stopping these people from forming their own informal group. I suppose it is possible they're after the "prestige" of the eagle scout rank, but that kind of got dragged through the mud in the 90's and the 00's.

[–]pnw_diver 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It just seems like it would be so easy, if this particular group wants to go camping, to simply do so, and if the local Girl Scouts aren't into it, so be it. You don't need to have a Christian-conservative boys & men organization to go camping. Further, given that whoever the parents of these girls are, they are presumably not Christian-conservative men (else they'd respect the Boy Scouts) and so it seems bizarre that they would try to force themselves into the Boy Scouts.

For my part, if I was raising a son, I wouldn't consider the Boy Scouts for him - precisely because it is Christian-conservative programming. However, I would certainly seek out an equivalent secular group that was exclusive to boys, and encourage his involvement in that group, and I would certainly resist any demand that the space for boys and men to maintain our heritage cease to exist as such as a consequence of the overweening zeal of feminists to seek out and destroy any such organization as a part of their social engineering experiments and ideological hatred of men.

And if I was raising a girl, I'd hope that my wife/her mother found an appropriate venue for girls, as outdoorsy as the daughter found interesting. I wouldn't force her to do it though if she didn't want to just to "defy gender norms" for the sake of it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't consider the Boy Scouts for him - precisely because it is Christian-conservative programming.

It really isn't. Boy scouts is the sort of thing where troops are really microcosms unto themselves. My troop honestly didn't give a crap about sexual orientation when the scouts still barred homosexuals and religion was always left on the periphery because it was an odd mix of protestants and Catholics.

[–]pnw_diver 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And that's cool. The official charter organization however is pretty seriously right wing with certain religious affiliations. That's fine; we just need more than one scouting organization for boys.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet ironically it's precisely because it's so far to the right that the left hasn't attempted to co-opt it.

[–]rollerskatinghal 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i think feminists blame girl scouts for "failing" women.

[–]casusbelli1[S] 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here is a link to the BSA national office contact information.

I will be calling them to say that I am an Eagle Scout and that scouting was an important part of my youth. A key component of that was the all male environment, in which I learned from older boys and men lessons about how to comport myself as a man in our society, lessons that I firmly believe would be difficult if not impossible to impart in mixed gender groups. Given the declining opportunities today for boys to be around boys and just be boys, I will respectfully request that the BSA decline to admit girls into scouting.

[–]jimmywiddle 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

agree completely

[–]skepticalbipartisan 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what happens after they let girls join?

Mothers will insist that the troop leaders be female because they aren't comfortable leaving their children alone with men.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Freud asked the question, "What do women want?" Feminism has made the answer clear -- women want everything.

[–]xNOM 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But they face stiff legal obstacles: Among other factors, Title IX, the federal law that prohibits discrimination by sex, carves out an exception for the Boy Scouts, allowing them to exclude members based on gender.

Did not know about this. How on earth did BSA manage that?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They are private, they could disallow jews as long as they didn't receive government money

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I see. They still disallow atheists though, right? Or has that changed.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They still disallow atheists.

Of course I was never asked about it till I was becoming an Eagle Scout and even then they'll accept deism or a vague sense of a higher authority and source of morals as a stand-in.

[–]FastFourierTerraform 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Got to write my "religious" statement on my personal morals and a vague justification that a demigod moral authority would probably agree.

[–]iandmlne 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if only

for the common good of a shared humanity

was a good enough response.

[–]iandmlne 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not exactly

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What about our safe space?

[–]pnw_diver 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It was farcical, the social justice warrior bullshit that someone got their 10 year old daughter to repeat in front of a reporter. The goal is not to go camping. The girls can go camping already. The goal is to destroy any space or context in society that allows men and boys to connect and retain any sort of male heritage.

[–]iandmlne 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that and funding; they think things happen without planning apparently, and no guns or knives, someone might get hurt.

[–]igneel77777 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't you know every place is a safe space for men? /s

[–]pnw_diver 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has pissed me off. Personally, I don't even like the Boy Scouts (I was one) because I see them as eerily close to the Mormon Church and really just a conservative programming vector.

With that said, they are still a space for men and boys to maintain our male heritage.

The Girl Scouts have the word "Scouts" in their name and therefore, are presumably 100% entirely capable of going camping. Do they need boys to go camping? No. They can do it themselves.

This attempt to get girls into the Boy Scouts is an attempt to destroy one of the last few spaces in our society in which male heritage is maintained.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Alkomb[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad, but true.

[–]btmims -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, "trans girls" are admitted

[–]Rethgil 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's be clear here. When we say "girls seek to become boy scouts", what we really mean is "awful aggressive toxic mother's looking for trouble" since they are the ones pushing. There are few, if any little girls who desired to join the boy scouts without being pushed by such mothers, fewer still who then said, "right, Im going to campaign to change the basic status of this group". They are little GIRLS. Guaranteed this all happened thanks to such awful parents, and perhaps a few White Knights and adopting Gay and Lesbian couples. This is typical parent pressure, pure and simple. What's really sad is that both the campaigners kids, nor the boy scouts will only be made miserable by this. So pathetic that they couldn't just live and let live and instead had to meddle as bitter men-haters looking for trouble.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just another hilarious development in the "lets make headlines with faux outrage" one billion percent chance these poor girls had no part of this stunt and their parents are using them as pawns for their 15 minutes of tumblr fame. If anything, the girl scouts need to modernize their curriculum and add some non home ec type stuff

[–]The_Def_Of_Is_Is 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Boy Scouts has all manner of co-ed programs. Girl scouts refuses to work jointly with them despite many calls and invitations. BSA has problems but it would demolish what little value my Eagle rank has left to kowtow to feminism. The co-ed venture scouts meetings were a nightmare and a constant parade of people pulling in their current date and dropping out when they broke up.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, there's lots of clubs for women and girls but none for boys. Women can't stand men being sociable independently of women.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why do girls want to be boy-scouts?
Well, I guess whatever the feminists have to do to get more attention.

[–]kyaj21 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

my sister was a girl scout for a while, while I was a boy scout. We both had to go to each other's meetings, because we only had one parent and we were young so we couldn't be left alone at the house at the time. She also had to go on all our camping trips, and she said she liked camping better.

Honestly, I can't blame her. The girl scouts are a joke. They have badges for hair styling and for doing sleepovers and stuff, and some girls want scouts to be an actual nurturing experience, where they learn stuff. Again, I can't blame them. Hell, when I was in a troop in NJ, there was a girl that got eagle scout and she had to sue to be allowed in.

Still, I can't blame boy scouts for taking the stance they are, because you have 20-100+ boys running around, and only 5 adult supervisors at best. Adding girls into the mix could cause legal issues for the parents and troop advisors, which might destroy scouting altogether. Especially with this radical 3rd wave feminism, it would make rape cases involving situations like these a lot harder to fight, and destroy troops altogether.

And to top it off, there really isn't a good solution to doing this. If you try separating the girls and the boys via living quarters, they'll try it at some point, and they have a shit ton of land to go hide and do it in. Plus scouting's biggest benefit is being able to experience new things at a very low cost. Adding gender separation into it makes things a lot harder, especially since girls need certain things (like a bathroom) if they go camping.

[–]btmims 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I always suspected that about the gsa. Girls need to step up their game, women aren't 99% married homemakers anymore, just like men aren't 99% woodsmen/soldiers. That's why the trail to eagle is more than just camping and hiking, there are lessons in civics, communication, leadership, and a slew of personal interests you can learn/practice like art, chemistry, astronomy, boating...

[–]Alkomb[🍰] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"They have badges for hair styling and for doing sleepovers and stuff" Really? What a joke.
"she had to sue to be allowed in" That's pretty sad.

But I feel like these girls just want to become boy scouts, not because they want to, but because of attention/"propaganda", or whatever it's called.

[–]xynomaster 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So we can assume they're okay with boys becoming girl scouts then, right?

But no, they'll start talking about safe spaces and all that which is apparently a right that's reserved solely for women and girls. Boys and men don't deserve to feel safe or wanted anywhere, ever.

[–]btmims 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The girl scouts here actually probably wouldn't, they were founded when the BSA first turned girls away, and already accept lesbians and "trans girls". Which is weird, because it went the opposite way in the UK and Australia, the "Scouts" became/were forced to become more tolerant, while the "girls guides" maintained the hard line.

[–]xynomaster 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There's a difference between accepting lesbians and trans girls and accepting boys. Lesbians and trans girls are still girls, so get the privileges associated with being female. Boys are lesser and don't deserve those privileges.

[–]btmims 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"trans girls" are going to, usually, still have male anatomy and hormones, so they already accept males, and the baggage that goes with that (sleeping arrangements and such). but I don't know how third-wave, crazy feminist it is, so who knows?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait, so if they still have a penis they're a girl now?

[–]btmims 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as its a feminine penis.

I wish I made that phrase up, but actually read it somewhere, on tumblr I'm pretty sure (via tumblrinaction)

Actually, maybe feminism is for everyone. Just claim to be a girl with male anatomy that prefers he/him/his pronouns and likes stereotypical guy stuff. but inside, you're a girl dammit! Down with the patriarchy!

[–]ECorell1 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm an Eagle Scout, and it was my experience that the Boy Scouts outings and experiences are exciting and challenging because they are planned and led (in general) by a collective of men doing things that the collective of men enjoy and are challenged by.

I've never been to a Girl Scout meeting, but I imagine that their outings and experiences are planned and led (in general) by a collective of women doing things that they (the women doing the planning) enjoy or think their daughters will enjoy.

Now, call me sexist if you will, but it has been my experience that the preferred exploits of men and women are quite different, and thus, if you want your Girl Scout experiences to be more like those found in Boy Scouting then my advice is to find some men that will plan those outings.

[–]jimmywiddle 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the scouts decision to not let them in. In the UK in contrast they have let the girls join the scouts and stopped the boys from joining the guides.

That in my mind is completely sexist and unacceptable. So if they US is making a stand I completely support it.

[–]IBdeadshadow 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this shit is dumb it's called boys scouts for a reason.

[–]rabidrabbity 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Caitlyn missing the good ole days.

[–]binrobinro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If this happens, they'll have to lower the standards for advancement, just as they do in the military.

Can't they leave anything alone?

[–]SpikeNLB -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hated being in BSA, my brother was an Eagle Scout, think I got like three merit badges, didn't see the point. I'm way more successful then my brother now btw. With that said, at least they didn't make us sell cookies. That's gotta really suck.

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