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I am Cassie Jaye, the director of the documentaries: DADDY I DO, THE RIGHT TO LOVE, and the upcoming THE RED PILL. AMA! : IAmA

Staph_A

October 23, 2015
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/r/MensRights
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Title I am Cassie Jaye, the director of the documentaries: DADDY I DO, THE RIGHT TO LOVE, and the upcoming THE RED PILL. AMA! : IAmA
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Staph_A

Upvotes 88
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Date October 23, 2015 8:58 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
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Is it always so dry in here in terms of actual activism?

20 upvotes
October 12, 2015
/r/MensRights

Just a few thoughts from a newcomer.

5 upvotes
October 5, 2015
/r/MensRights

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[–]SilverHoard 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very good AMA. Worth a read, lads and lasses.

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[–]baserace 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why does it take a feminist, making a documentary, for other feminists to engage their brains and their hearts? The level of indoctrination is truly frightening.

[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

but then I stumbled upon AVoiceForMen.com and thought ‘these are the rape apologists I’ve been hearing about!’

I wanted to know "who ARE these people?". I was absolutely terrified of the idea of meeting Paul Elam, and when I did meet him he's like 6'5" or something like that.

It was intimidating, but my protection was having a camera with me at all times

Totally. I mean, someone who is painting men's rights movement people as dangerous rapists is completely worthy of seeing.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And if you listen to the full interview she did with Paul Elam available on youtube, you can totally hear how she is still terrified of him and her views weren't changed whatsoever. /s

[–]SlashS_Bot -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I'd never have guessed you weren't serious until I read that /s at the end!

[–]ghebert001 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess her saying she is questioning her beliefs and all that is just lost on you...

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[–]iainmf 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I also chipped in to the kickstarter.

[–]EvilPundit 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just kicked in too.

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[–]yoshi_win 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The MRM is growing with or without this documentary, but it sounds very promising. After thinking about the dumb games and stuff I waste money on I decided I've got a moral obligation to help. Donated.

BTW for those who don't know, Kickstarter only charges you if the project gets funded. We have 121,000 subscribers (way more than /r/feminism) and probably many of us, like myself, are only now hearing about this movie. Just 4,000 of us donating $25 each will more than get us there!

[–]bertreapot 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i chipped in $25. only $76,000 to go!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I backed it as well.

[–]SilverHoard 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't look very promising. 18 days left and not even 200 backers yet.

[–]ghebert001 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

224 at the moment.

[–]ghebert001 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been spending most of my day yesterday and today posting the kickstarter link in as many subreddits as possible and tweeting it to as many prominent people as I could think of such as Joe Rogan, Milo Yianopolous, The Rebel Media (Lauren Southern), and many more...the more exposure we can give this thing the better.

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering that AVfM and the Honey Badgers are in the freaking movie I doubt that alerting them of the existence of this movie is going to make much difference.

[–]baserace 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is all small fry stuff that's very unlikely to raise the goal amount.

A small number of large investors are required. She needs to make some better and sympathetic connections.

[–]HotSauciness 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The title of the film sucks,

Any chance we could get her to change the name? It really is a mistake, our critics already lie about our association with TRP enough as it is. MRAs obviously don't want that title and TRPers don't usually like being associated with us either. The phrase "the red pill" hasn't been used by MRAs much since TRP became popular, it might have once been a good title but it's a pretty poor choice now.

[–]beardvault 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm honestly glad it's named this.

She makes it clear in the AMA that she distinguishes the differences between MRAs and TRPers. What this suggests to me, then, is that if people decide to critique the documentary due to it advocating for the latter, they haven't given the movie its fair shake. To me, it's just a great way to catch people who judge a book by its cover before diving in.

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

If anything, the term "red pill" needs to be "taken back" a bit from that subreddit anyway.

TRP are actually the ones I think who need to come up with a better name for their leg of the manosphere. "Red pill" should just be used as a term for that "red pill moment" when someone realizes something is not right in the world of men today. The individual then decides to become MRA, MGTOW, PUA. If TRP doesn't want to be lumped in with PUA, then the self-improvement and sexual mastery wing of the manosphere needs to come up with a new name.

[–]ee4m[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Can we all stop about the name?

If this thing doesn't get funded it will mainly be down to mra's being terrified of feminist rhetoric and dishonest conflations.

Which is basically letting feminists win.

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[–]ee4m[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To me this is the AVFM initial mission (breach the mainstream with controversy) coming to fruition .

This is the largest area in the movement, we have largely refused to support AVFM financially and with comments, now there is lack luster response to the movie .

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She stated in the AMA that she is definitely not changing the name.

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[–]Jonesey505 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in for $100. The total is now $24,510, 17 days to go. So there's a long way to go. Come on people.

[–]yoshi_win 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm definitely in panic mode right now. [...] I've tried every other funding option possible: submitting to film grants that never got approved for funding, approaching executive producers who wanted too much creative control and did not want to take a balanced approach, and the only thing that worked (but now does not work) has been exhausting my savings and spending all of my income on this film. 2.5 years later that really adds up. I'm not bitter, it was worthy every single penny for the philosophical journey I went on. So, the kickstarter was literally the last cry for help to get this film made. If we don't reach our goal then it will be a very sad day.

Right in the feels! :(

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. And I've seen people on this sub actually claiming that $97,000 is too much, and that there's no way she actually needs that much money. She wants to make it look professional so people will actually take it seriously. I think that's awesome, and a very worthy cause.

[–]azazelcrowley 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I donated 25 bucks. I'm pretty poor. You can all do it, come on. We don't lose anything if it doesn't reach it's target.

For 25, you'll get a copy of the movie and stuff.

Someone should hit up Mens Rights Edmonton, the honey badgers, and yeh, AVFM, for pushing this to their user bases too tbh.

[–]Vance87 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So what happens if you donate and the goal isn't met, what becomes of your money?

[–]DebatevsNarrative 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys, Donate to this film. If we can't do this then we've failed as a movement. This is a sincere effort and a very good angle with which to launch it - the name does not matter do not worry about it - barely anyone has much of an idea what 'red pill' means anyway and the film is about mens rights not red pill.

We have 120,000 subscribers - if we put in $1 each there would be no issue it would be funded. Please her kind of effort needs to be rewarded not just for this film but as a mark of economic interest for future projects.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

From the Kickstarter page:

"You will have to wait to see the feature film to know the conclusion that the filmmaker comes to, but what we can tell you is that the filmmaker does come to a conclusion; however, it doesn’t mean that the filmmaker’s conclusion will be the viewers’ conclusion."

edit Hmm... well, I trust Milo Yiannopoulos, who has spoken with her.

... why be so coy about it? If this were a sympathetic move, why not just put it out that way?

Since she's left it out for everyone to guess,... my prediction, is that s this turns out to show MRAs in an overall negative light. Feminists might actually be laughing all the way to the bank that she got a bunch of clueless men to pay for it. I predict, she'll let the most absurd quotes MRAs make hang out there for the viewer, because it's just too entertaining not to, and leave out the best and most convincing MRA stuff out, and just fumble around, nudge nudge, wink wink, she's not going to tell you what to conclude outright, but draw your own conclusions based on what she's presented to you and how she's presented it.

I'm not going to fund this kickstarter, and I'm wouldn't suggest anyone else do so either, unless she puts some more concrete men's advocacy out on the kickstarter page for the world to see.

P.S. Any MRA who puts it themselves out there to be included in a production or interview framed and edited by a feminist seriously needs to put a gun to their own head.

[–]yoshi_win 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy handgrenade! This thing tripled today from $21k to $63k. Number of backers went from <200 to almost 750, so it ain't just one rich guy. What happened?!!

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What are you guys going to do when you inadvertently give free promotion to The Red Rill?

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[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get it.

Mine is a serious question (cuz it will be a serious problem for your PR).

Unless you want the attention I'm thinking you're gonna need to put a disclaimer somewhere.

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