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While the story of female suffrage is taught at school from a young age, few people today know the long and gruesome history of how men won the right to vote

Imnotmrabut

October 8, 2015
234 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11509811/Why-has-everyone-forgotten-about-male-suffrage.html
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Title While the story of female suffrage is taught at school from a young age, few people today know the long and gruesome history of how men won the right to vote
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Imnotmrabut

Upvotes 234
Comments 43
Date October 8, 2015 9:48 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3nybqk/while_the_story_of_female_suffrage_is_taught_at/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/969813
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Comments

[–]ChaosOpen 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Does the story of female suffrage include the bombings suffragettes carried out?

[–]doomsought 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They also drove the woman that INVENTED the very concept of offering shelters for the abused out of the Brittain. I'll give you one guess as to why they sent her bombs.

[–]ABC_Florida 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Her name is Erin Pizzey. They have someone even killed her dog. She had to move to Canada.

[–]goodfoobar 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Erin Pizzey's dog was shot at and injured not killed. It is not known who the perpetrator was or the motivation. It was likely related to her openly challenging the common gender narrative. The shooting was when she decided to leave England for a while.

[–]ABC_Florida 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the end it will turn out that like men women can be good and bad too.

[–]Imnotmrabut[S] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course not. History can't be polluted with facts and reality when there is Whale Bone Corset Burning to be done!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the bombings that set the universal suffrage movements that were fighting for both male and female, some even black, right to vote by a few decades.

[–]FrigOffCyrus 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And people forget how the ERA wasn't passed due to the efforts of one woman, Phyllis Schlafly, not some patriarchy seeking to keep women down.

[–]bitchessuck 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and she did it because she found that the ERA would take away most of the privileges enjoyed by women up to this day. And that's a fact, not some speculation.

Schlafly became an outspoken opponent of the Equal Rights Amendment during the 1970s as the organizer of the "STOP ERA" campaign. STOP is an acronym for "Stop Taking Our Privileges." Schlafly argued that the ERA would take away gender specific privileges currently enjoyed by women, including "dependent wife" benefits under Social Security and the exemption from Selective Service registration. source

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is a terrible, terrible name.

[–]FuzzyBacon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For an equally terrible person. Her son is the mastermind behind 'conservapedia', which is every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So basically rich white women had the right to vote before most men, and men today are still subject to military slavery.

[–]fuck_sjws13 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Because god forbid people celebrate the achievements of men for once. Fucking feminist education system. The worst part is that women wouldn't have even gotten the vote if it weren't for the men who handed it to them.

[–]geniice 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because god forbid people celebrate the achievements of men for once. Fucking feminist education system.

The writer ignores the earlier spread of the franchise. The idea of giving any real percentage of the population the vote wouldn't have taken place without events in 1832. And well the man who got the reform act passed is so highly celebrated he even has a popular type of tea named after him.

He's also failing to talk about another group of men but well I doubt he's too concerned about northern Irish Catholics.

The worst part is that women wouldn't have even gotten the vote if it weren't for the men who handed it to them.

That's like saying that no one would have the vote if Edward III hadn't handed it to them.

[–]AcidJiles 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have to remember all men have always had all the power all the time. /s

The reality that the overwhelming majority of men were just as downtrodden and controlled as women would break a narrative that they are not willing to break from.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Selma

Uh, that's more about how he was an asshole and she was super crazy.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men simply being in a film doesn't have any relevance to what is being discussed.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are not underrepresented in film.

Which is irrelevant to what the poster stated.

[raging about the sub now]

Try your desperate strawmen somewhere else.

Edit: I see you're a one month old account with very few posts (not even a page), most of which are downvotes, in which you constantly rant that /r/mensrights is a hate group and attack the movement. It's pretty clear where you've always stood on the subject.

[–]galtthedestroyer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are two more films that are about jobs and Wozniak. Can't remember titles.

[–]Spoonwood 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Men (and women) in prison in the U. K. still can't vote.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men in the United States also don't yet have the right to vote.

They have to sign up for Selective Service or they are disallowed that right. Women get it the moment they turn 18.

[–]Spoonwood 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The government can convict you of a felony for failing to register for the draft.

Young men convicted of failure to register may be fined up to $250,000, imprisoned for up to five years, or both. In addition to being subject to prosecution, failure to register may cause you to permanently forfeit eligibility for certain benefits. Not registering is a felony.

http://www.armyenlist.com/selective-service/

And in 48 states you lose voting rights when serving time for a felony.

Women don't have to do something in order to not commit a felony so far as I know.

So, yes, you're right (except in 2 states).

[–]Dr_Gage 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

During their sentence or that it carry any restrictions after it? It's my understanding that some states in USA take away your voting rights if you're a felon, I just don't get it.

[–]Spoonwood 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe it's just during their sentence.

In the United Kingdom, prohibitions from voting are codified in section 3 and 3A of the Representation of the People Act 1983.[77] Excluded are incarcerated criminals[78] (including those sentenced by courts-martial, those unlawfully at large from such sentences, and those committed to psychiatric institutions as a result of a criminal court sentencing process). Civil prisoners sentenced (for non-payment of fines, or contempt of court, for example), and those on remand unsentenced retain the right to vote.

The UK is subject to Europe-wide rules due to various treaties and agreements associated with its membership of the European Community. The Act does not apply to elections to the European Parliament. Following Hirst v United Kingdom (No 2) (2006),[79] in which the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled such a ban to be disproportionate, the policy was reviewed by the UK government. In 2005 the Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, stated that it may result in some prisoners being able to vote,[80] and the review was still under way in 2010 following an "unprecedented warning" from the Council of Europe.[81] The UK government position was then that

"It remains the government's view that the right to vote goes to the essence of the offender's relationship with democratic society, and the removal of the right to vote in the case of some convicted prisoners can be a proportionate and proper response following conviction and imprisonment. The issue of voting rights for prisoners is one that the government takes very seriously and that remains under careful consideration."[81]

Parliament voted in favor of maintaining disenfranchisement of prisoners in 2011 in response to Government plans to introduce legislation. Since then the Government has repeatedly stated that prisoners will not be given the right to vote in spite of the ECHR ruling.[82]

In response to the ECHR ruling, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice Chris Grayling produced a draft Voting Eligibility (Prisoners) Bill for discussion by a Joint Committee, incorporating two clear options for reform and one which would retain the blanket ban.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement

See this also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuORTUCHoTw

The only case that makes sense to me for denial of voting rights is when the person has committed voter fraud.

[+]BaconCatBug -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

TBH that isn't a big deal in my eyes. If you don't want to lose the right to vote, don't commit crimes. Pretty simple. The EU has ruled that a total blanket ban on voting isn't acceptable, and I agree with that.

Someone who does 3 weeks in jail for a non-violent offence doesn't deserve the same censure as someone who murders dozens of people.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]BaconCatBug -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So every single person ever convicted was stitched up?

[–]equiposeur 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In the US, also, voting was initially restricted to property owning white men. It was extended to all white men in 1842.

[–]cgwriter 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most people are unaware of the 26th Amendment.

Just like this article, it is an example - on the American side of things - of young men with no voting rights being conscripted into a nasty war.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]DillipFayKick 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The really sad thing is that men in the U.S. still have to pay for the right to vote and drive all the while being told we're the ones with privilege.

[–]baserace 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bookmark this for the coming social media onslaught of anger about women getting the vote, re: the new suffragettes movie.

[–]goodfoobar 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Does anyone know of a decent time line for the progression of voting rights? I've seen lot of disjointed information covering only one country or one gender or limited time periods. Would be good to have a link that I can just refer to when needed.

[–]AcidJiles 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage#United_Kingdom is pretty good.

[–]Imnotmrabut[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's a start

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qVR7AAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA299&dq=Universal%20Suffrage%20men%20uk&pg=PA298#v=onepage&q=Universal%20Suffrage%20men%20uk&f=false

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there an equivalent article about the history surrounding all men fighting for the rights to vote in the US? This article is about the UK

[–]SilencingNarrative 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was a great piece. Thanks for submitting it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But didn't all men have the vote for thousands of years before the womens?

[–]Imnotmrabut[S] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NO.

[–]geniice 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The general trend was one man one vote the king, emperor, tyrant, caliph was the man and he had the vote.

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