A British woman who falsely accused a man of raping her on a train has been given community service as punishment.

[–]jaheiner 32 points33 points34 points 11 years ago (55 children) | Copy Link

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The fact that you don't all get that the crime you are describing is defamation and are instead calling for worse punishments shows how willing you are to disregard the law. I am ashamed of this subreddit because of the responses to this post.

To the small amount of you saying I'm a feminist, you're morons. Plain and simple. One check of my comment history would show you how wrong you are, but you don't care about research because you're just as bad as feminists.

Seriously, you guys may not want to hear this, but your emotional lynch mob desire for a perverse application of justice is no different than their own actions. I understand the outrage, I know how much some people are hurt by these accusations. I know how the law has refused to prosecute these liars in the past. But that does not justify an overzealous punishment in the present. The law does not work that way and SHOULD NOT work that way.

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No, you don't just get a warning for attempting to set someone's house on fire, you get charged with attempted arson.

She did get made an example of. She got punished for her offense. In fact, when she was shown the footage she realized her recollection didn't match what happened and confessed that she had been wrong which probably contributed to the lighter sentence.

Also, she is going to be supervised for the next 3 years. Idk what that means in UK law but in the US having to meet with probation officers is a pretty big pain. Also the article doesn't mention the number of service hours, but anything above 50 is quite a pain in the ass.

I think that is a pretty decent deterrent and frankly your asking to lynch someone as an example like it's a rational thing. Which is pretty fucking disgusting. You're no better than a feminist.

[–]jaheiner 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, she gets to check in with someone for three years. If her lie had successfully landed this guy in prison would he get a slap on the wrist and a weekly checkin for a few years?

I'm not asking for someone to be "lynched" and you're a fuckin idiot if thats what you took away from my comment.

I'm asking for the punishment to fit the gravity of the crime. You attempt to commit a crime and then say "oops, jk i spose, my bad!" when you aren't going to get away with it? Yeah fuck you, you can go to jail for a few years.

You're that same fuckwit that probably thinks it's ok that the burden of proof always be on the accused's part when rape allegations come up from a female who has consensual sex while cheating on her partner then makes shit up once she's caught and willing ruins someone elses fucking life just to save herself from a CHOICE THAT SHE FUCKING MADE.

I think if you are a grown ass adult then you should face the consequences of your choices. It shouldn't be double standards. One set of rules for both sexes or don't bitch and moan about how unfair life is and how the patriarch did this and that to you. If you want the perks of a "priviledged" group then pay the fucking price that goes with it.

If this was a simple case of mistaken identity the ok and shit happens and that fucking sucks but thankfully truth came out. If she pulled what MANY MANY others have and went gung ho rape accusation without any proof then yes, I want her and every other liar to face the consequences of their actions. Period.

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[–]jaheiner 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, but you should get your head examined and consider sterilization if you're going to teach your kids one day that so long as they don't succeed in doing something bad that they tried to get away with it that they should only receive a time out for 15 minutes instead of being grounded for a week.

I'm going to venture a guess that you're early to mid 20's at most. The reason I guess this is because that generation and up are a bunch of entitled jerkoffs (with obvious exceptions) who think that the fucking world owes them something and that they are a special fucking snowflake.

Wanting to do something stupid and actually acting on it are two different things. When you ACTUALLY MAKE THE FUCKING ACCUSATION AND ONLY BACK DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE CALLED OUT AS A FUCKING LIAR should not be something you can just walk away from.

I (along with every other human being on the planet) have impulse thoughts, we are not punished for passing ideas. What we should be punished for are dishonest fucked up choices that we make that could have had severe repercussions for someone else if we had not gotten called out.

If you truly think that a little probation is an equivalent punishment when looking at the punishment the man would have faced if her lies hadn't been brought to light then you are a fool but this is the last I will argue with you.

Feel free to comment as you will but I'm done arguing with someone who is so afraid of the poor frail little woman who had no problem destroying this guys life being made to feel at least a shred of the punishment she attempted to put on an INNOCENT PERSON. I wouldn't give a fuck if it was man or woman she nearly dicked for life, the way I look at it this isn't a male vs. female issue. It's a common god damn decency issue.

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I'm of mixed feelings about this, quite frankly. On the one hand, I'm wary of setting up laws that discourage rape victims to come forward, and I definitely think false allegations should at most only warrant charges if it can be proved that the claimant lied. On the other, rape allegations carry particularly bad social consequences for the accused, and I don't really feel like community service is a just punishment for trying to get an innocent person convicted of a crime they didn't commit (any crime, not just rape). I certainly don't think imprisoning false accusers for the same amount of time their accused might have received is fair, but some time in prison seems appropriate.

As I said, I'm torn, but ultimately I don't feel this woman's sentence was harsh enough. She should do time—maybe 6-12 months—and suffer all the social consequences of being convicted of a felony. I take rape very seriously as a crime, and as such, false accusations get my blood boiling as well. I do feel this punishment was a slap on the wrist and that there should be greater consequences for such callous behavior. Not years of imprisonment, but time nonetheless.

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[+]paragonofcynicism -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Crimes should not be punished based on feelings.

We don't know how many community service hours she got. It could be 10 it could be 300. 300 is a LOT of time. It's a pretty severe punishment. So since you don't know, you can't say she got a slap on the wrist. I also don't know what being supervised for 3 years means, but I imagine there are also downsides to that. Maybe she can't travel without permission.

So we come to the question, do you want the punishment for a false rape accusation to be a deterrent, or a lynching?

Making it a felony, and giving jail time makes it a lynching. A felony means you become incredibly disadvantaged when applying for jobs. This is beyond a deterrent. This is much closer to eye for a hypothetical eye punishment.

If you don't think a few hundred hours of community service isn't a deterrent you're crazy. Maybe they should add a fine of like, 500-1000 dollars, but it's much more preferable than jail time. Jails are already overcrowded and cost a lot of money, let's at least get some free work out of these liars.

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