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Judge on teacher who had sex with student: 'What young man would not jump on that candy?'

porkchop_d_clown

June 1, 2015
100 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/nation/article/Judge-Teacher-s-come-on-like-candy-to-teen-6181849.php
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Title Judge on teacher who had sex with student: 'What young man would not jump on that candy?'
Author

porkchop_d_clown

Upvotes 100
Comments 29
Date June 1, 2015 7:57 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/384fvh/judge_on_teacher_who_had_sex_with_student_what/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/judge-on-teacher-who-had-sex-with-student-what.978734
https://theredarchive.com/post/978734
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Comments

[–]xynomaster 29 points30 points31 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've seen this one before.

He has basically admitted that he doesn't believe boys can be victims of sex crimes like this. What's more, he's using his own personal opinion of how he, as an adult, would have interpreted the situation to make an absolute decision about how he feels the boy must have. And, to top it all off, I don't see how you could do a better job of objectifying woman than by calling a defendant "candy" if you tried.

He is clearly not fit to be a judge and the fact that he is allowed to make these comments as part of an official trial is frankly disgusting.

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree. I think his sentencing sucked, but the media misquoted his analogy for click-bait.

[–]xynomaster 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I read your argument below, but I'm going to stand by my original statement.

I'm sure the reason, on paper, that he went lenient on the woman was because of her children. But that was a choice he made, and his comments about "candy" demonstrate that he did not take the crime as seriously as he should have, and therefore explain why he considered her children sufficient reason to let her off easy. If he'd taken the crime more seriously he would not have done this.

I agree with your comments on how we set up boys to be the victim of this kind of thing by socializing them to think they always need to want sex. But I think you're giving too much credit to the judge for making this association.

He's comparing it to giving candy to a baby. We all know a baby isn't supposed to have candy, but be honest - do you think of a baby as a victim when they're given candy they're not supposed to? How serious of a transgression do you think the person who gave the baby candy committed? You think they're stupid, you think they did something they shouldn't have, you think maybe the kid's parents were pissed, but you don't think what they did was horrible. You don't think that the baby is really a victim - after all, he was just given what he wanted, right? They just indulged him? You just think the adult did something irresponsible.

That's how the judge is viewing this case. He's not seeing the boy as a victim of manipulation and abuse. He just thinks the teacher did something irresponsible and stupid. Therefore slap on the wrist.

[–]bennejam000 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference here is that the "candy" could potentially leave the "baby" with lasting emotional scars. That analogy was way off base and regardless of intent did in face demean the defendant. Anyone who would have heard that comparison would have made the connection to calling attractive women candy.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

frankstone18 Rank 2596 Can you imagine if it had been a male teacher and a really hot female student and he said "what man wouldn't hit that piece of candy?" He would have been lynched.

[+]Kingpink2 -33 points-32 points-31 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

True, but men and women are not the same, therefore there are double standards.

[–]xynomaster 27 points28 points29 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but this is a bullshit argument.

"Men and women are not the same" does not mean that boys aren't harmed by being preyed on by their teachers. It basically means "I feel like I would have enjoyed this therefore I'm going to ignore evidence that its actually harmful because reasons".

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

But you can't just use that when it's convenient for you and throw it out when it's not. Rules need to be universal. You can't just cherry pick when men and women should be equal. Either we subject women to the same rules and responsibilities as men, or we don't. But the important part is being consistent.

If young boys are capable of being moral agents who can consent to sex, we should give them equal rights to adults, or we should punish those who try to take advantage of them in the same way men are punished for taking advantage of girls.

I'm sure there are some little girls that would like attractive mature men to have sex with them, but that still wouldn't make it an an acceptable or moral thing to do.

[–]Kingpink2 -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, what I said kinda implies no beetchin if double standards work against you. No cherry picking when men and women should be equal and when not. Thats the feminist way.

Thats EXACTLY what they advocate, different treatment to obtain EQUAL outcome.

[–]Code_Bordeauxx 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually you are completely right. But then you are also completely wrong. As long as the law doesn't state that double standard (which I don't see happening very soon, nor do I think it's a good idea) no judge has the right to use more than one standard.

[–]DoctorDevil 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Classic fallacy there: argument by dismissal

[–]richardnorth 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy is not fit to be a judge. His statement, within the context of a legal proceeding is completely inappropriate.

[–]tiqr 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is why Judges should not be elected. You're bound to get people who hold idiotic, yet "electable" opinions like this.

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually, I don't think the quote is that bad in context. He's saying that she abused her power by making the advances she did to such a young man. Like offering candy to a toddler, the toddler is likely to take it even to his detriment. The way we currently raise boys, they are set up to be victim to this type of abuse in much the way nature gave toddlers more of a sweet tooth than is necessary in modern times, and she was in the wrong for making the offer. I don't get the sentence, though.

[–]TechnoSam_Belpois 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I can see your reasoning, but the judge used this as an excuse for her to only get 30 days.

At least she had to register on the sex offenders registry, which is something.

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The way the article worded it, I didn't think it was being used as an excuse. It would be better with an audio recording, but the full quote is:

'"That is candy to a young man," Judge Garrett D. Page, of Pennsylvania's Montgomery County Court, told Ginnetti at her sentencing.

According to the Daily Mail, Page asked the remorseful Ginnetti, "What young man would not jump on that candy?"'

As in "don't you think what you did was stupid?"

Then sentence just seems like a standard pussy pass.

EDIT: The reason for the lenient sentence was children: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3027031/Outrage-judge-compares-teacher-Erica-Ginneti-dangling-candy-15-year-old-student-couldn-t-resist.html#ixzz3WXKnFGM6

Standard pussy pass. A married man doesn't get off easy for having children. The quote has nothing to do with it.

[–]TechnoSam_Belpois 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah. That explains it. Good digging!

[–]javi404 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So this is interesting, isn't 17 past the age of consent? I don't know the details of these laws, just curious why she had to register as a sex offender.

[–]xynomaster 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The age of consent is 16-18 depending on the state.

But almost all states have provisions so that the age of consent is 18, or higher, if the older person is in a position of power or influence over the younger person. She was a teacher, so this applies.

[–]TechnoSam_Belpois 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably because regardless of that, she was a teacher and thus in a position of authority. She abused that authority in a sexual way.

And the age varies by state. In the US anyway, I don't even know where this took place.

[–]ckern92 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait.... 30 days?

[–]Vance87 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good job pissing off both MRAs and feminists in the same sentence, your honor.

[–]eaton80 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its funny how the most gender-biased and "patriarchal" people in the world seem to be Judges. Both in Family/Civil Court, as well as Criminal.

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...and the defense attorney in this case, who appealed to "patriarchal norms" by saying that it should be house arrest because she has kids.

[–]slideforlife 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that piece of shit for a judge needs to be removed.

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The judge is right, with the exception that a gay young man would have no interest in jumping on that candy.

This student was 17, and certainly capable of making a decision like this.

[–]javi404 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My problem isn't that she got an /r/pussypass or that she got a relatively light sentence because honestly the only people pissed off about the young adult pounding with this woman to orgasm is his parents and the community.

My problem is that if it were a male teacher and a female student there would be the opposite of a pussy-pass, the judge would have thrown the book at him.

[+]Driveby_Dogboy -8 points-7 points-6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Niiiiiice!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was supposed to be satire! Not an example of what to do!

Fucking Poes law.

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