Mom Who Took Son Into Hiding To Save His Foreskin Sobs In Court As She Signs Consent For Circumcision

SirSkeptic · 2015-05-25T22:52:28+00:00

How can this contract be binding? I don't know much about contract law, but I do know that any contract signed under duress is not valid. How can this possibly be anything than under duress?

unklestinky · 2015-05-25T23:59:54+00:00

The father has called circumcision “just the normal thing to do.”

a normal thing to do is to work together in the parenting of your child.

TheGDBatman · 2015-05-26T14:12:34+00:00

I would be very surprised if this kid grows up not hating his father.

marcm6246 · 2015-05-26T14:44:55+00:00

Okay, the kid is 4 goddamn years old. How about we ask him "hey, want us to cut part of your dick off?"

autotldr · 2015-05-26T01:56:54+00:00

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)

With her legal options dwindling, Hironimus went missing in February, and ignored a judge's order that she appear in court and give her consent for the surgery to be performed.

Brought before Judge Jeffrey Gillen on Friday, Hironimus again declined to sign a consent form for the surgery, and she was advised she would remain jailed indefinitely.

Georganne Chapin, executive director of Intact America, which advocates against circumcision, said the images of a distraught Heather Hironimus signing the form to allow the surgery show how she was "Bullied" into it and that she doesn't truly give her consent.

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mikesteane · 2015-05-26T04:20:17+00:00

This may turn out to be a good thing. The mutilation will probably not occur; any doctor is taking on a huge risk to do it, and the debate that this decision is causing and will cause brings into question the idea that it is "just normal." The incidence of circumcision will surely go down because of this decision.

2015-05-26T08:14:23+00:00

How old is the child?

rocelot7 · 2015-05-26T07:06:40+00:00

That's it; we riot. I'm making the molotov's right now.

tiqr · 2015-05-25T21:49:16+00:00

I may not agree with circumcision as a practice, and I am always perplexed as to how "fashionable" it is in the United States, but this needs to be kept in context.

The woman signed a parenting plan, in court, whereby the son would be circumcised at the father's expense. This would have been one term of many in the parenting plan, and she may well have received a concession of her own in exchange for it.

She changes her mind, and decided she would not consent to the procedure, notwithstanding that there was a court order compelling her to do so. She tried to get it set aside, but failed. She appealed the decision, but was denied a second time. Rather than comply with the court order, after numerous attempts to appeal the initial decision, she absconded with her son and went into hiding. In any other context, commenters on this subreddit would be furious at this woman's actions.

Regardless of how one feels about the ethics of circumcision (and I think it is unethical without medical need), the reality is that the procedure is common and not especially problematic in most cases. Courts can only act on evidence, and there is not medical evidence that the procedure should have been stopped. There was, in fact, some evidence that the procedure should be done because the boy had some urinary issues.

We can't blame the courts on this one. They did their job. If you need to get mad about this, get mad medical community for recommending the procedure in the US. Get mad at a culture which treats circumcision as "fashionable".

If you really want to get mad the courts - I guess you could ask why they need her to sign the consent form. Courts dispense with parents' consents all the time for things. Dispense with her consent and let the surgery go forward without her permission. Don't make her sign the damn thing! I find that element rather twisted.

Cysioland · 2015-05-26T06:15:06+00:00

That's why I'm extremely glad that here circumcision is just a Jewish thing and it's shunned by the society as having "peeled carrot".

not---a---bot · 2015-05-26T04:20:40+00:00

This hilariously misses the point. The child has a medical complication where there is blood in his urine and his foreskin doesn't retract. The article completely fails to mention this. Removing the foreskin would correct the issue, this is a valid medical reason for circumcision.

dellsharpie · 2015-05-26T03:38:49+00:00

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Title	Mom Who Took Son Into Hiding To Save His Foreskin Sobs In Court As She Signs Consent For Circumcision
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Date	May 25, 2015 8:23 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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